Douglas- couple things to respond to your latest post: 1. The NFL despite not many breakouts this year is still incredibly competitive. Its fun to watch each week. All-time ratings highs for Monday Night Football on ESPN and several compelling story lines with Favre. 30 million people watched an average game just yesterday afternoon. Allowing Jerry Jones to take over football would really hurt football.
2. TV ratings were higher for baseball when there was parity in the league and a salary cap. When a little team squeaks through we've now simply realize that the big guys have run off the fans of the smaller teams, because most years there's not much to root for. Why care anymore? If you grew up in Kansas City today, would you be a Royals fan or a fan or Boston or NY or St. Louis? I think we all know the answer. The fan bases are now higher for the big clubs, because they are typically the only clubs that get anywhere. They lure away all the big guns from organizations that can't compete under the current system. Baseball has become so marginalized to a few teams that when two lesser known teams break through, even with compelling story lines, it's just not enough. America has moved on from the shell of its former self that baseball has become.
3. Because you're a huge Yankees fan, obviously the system makes it more fun for your team, when the overpaid players get over their egos and actually play baseball (or at least get good enough pitching to where they don't need to play much defense). I was at a baseball game this summer sitting next to a nice enough Yankees fan who was living in Kansas City. We had a nice conversation about how bad the Royals were (there were more Twins fans than Royals fans in our section). His next comment to me was how much were the Yankees going to need to pay to get Joe Mauer in a few years. To him it wasn't even a matter of if it was going to happen, but when. This speaks a lot to baseball today.
Originally posted by Douglas: Based on Nick Punto's recent running on the basepaths, any dreams about the Minnesota Twins in an upcoming World Series might be derailed!
The fact that the Twins made it with Nick Punto's batting average is a miracle. He's all about defense and he's damn good at it. Punto makes plays that A-Rod and Jeter wouldn't even attempt.
Originally posted by Douglas: Americans didn't care about an all-New York World Series but just take a look at the World Series immediately after 2000, and you'll see ratings went much, much higher until the 2005 Series.
Also, take a look at the ratings for the 2002 ALCS which featured the Twins vs. Angels - not exactly big ratings there.
ALDS ratings between the Twins and Angels: complete pitching duels. Not much offense=low ratings.
As for the Series: In 2001, America was still dealing with 9/11. We felt as a country for the people of New York and horrors they had to overcome. No one felt bad about the Yankees getting there that year.
In 2002, ratings dropped 5 million viewers despite LA having a team in it. In 2003, Marlins and Yankees- Yankees help out ratings. In 2004, The Red Sox finally won. A big spike was expected. In 2005, despite the White Sox, from Chicago of all places, being in it, and finally winning, ratings declined. In 2006, even less cared about the Cardinals and Tigers. Small market teams don't have the fans and lack the "stars". In 2007, Red Sox sweep helps rating somewhat but not by that much. In 2008, No name Rays, who probably had a hard time selling out the World Series, almost get swept, ratings sink. In 2009, the "Stars" are back and what do you know? The ratings went up!
This is not rocket science Douglas. The small teams have been diminished to where the casual viewer doesn't care anymore. It takes either the "stars" or the loveable losers to get the viewer numbers up.
I really don't know what CBS is thinking for keeping this show around November Sweeps.
I don't know either. CBS couldn't possibly be happy with its ratings. I thought they had the itchiest trigger finger too (see Smith, 3 lbs., Viva Laughlin). I don't feel like this is a show that's going to grow either. One thing I will say it that it's been stable...stably bad, but stable nevertheless.
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I really don't know what CBS is thinking for keeping this show around November Sweeps.
I don't know either. CBS couldn't possibly be happy with its ratings. I thought they had the itchiest trigger finger too (see Smith, 3 lbs., Viva Laughlin). I don't feel like this is a show that's going to grow either. One thing I will say it that it's been stable...stably bad, but stable nevertheless.
Yes, stable, lol. From a 3.2 lead-in it dipped to a 1.7, losing 3.5 million viewers from a show that is currently on fire this season. And, it's completely managed to kill Cold Case, which has never seen ratings this low. I know CC still has life in it - CBS needs to move it back to 9pm where it can get back its ratings boost, axe Three Rivers completely, and just plug in repeats Sundays at 10pm. It's so simple, yet for some reason they're holding back.
I really don't know what CBS is thinking for keeping this show around November Sweeps.
I don't know either. CBS couldn't possibly be happy with its ratings. I thought they had the itchiest trigger finger too (see Smith, 3 lbs., Viva Laughlin). I don't feel like this is a show that's going to grow either. One thing I will say it that it's been stable...stably bad, but stable nevertheless.
Yes, stable, lol. From a 3.2 lead-in it dipped to a 1.7, losing 3.5 million viewers from a show that is currently on fire this season. And, it's completely managed to kill Cold Case, which has never seen ratings this low. I know CC still has life in it - CBS needs to move it back to 9pm where it can get back its ratings boost, axe Three Rivers completely, and just plug in repeats Sundays at 10pm. It's so simple, yet for some reason they're holding back.
CBS should pull Three Rivers and put in episodes of Flashpoint. Then Cold Case can stay at 10pm and will have a better lead in. If CBS wanted to, they could also put repeats of Two and a Half Men and The Big Bang Theory at 9pm. I'm just throwing that out there as The Amazing Race is younger skewing, and with their two best comedies, they could pull a 2.5 demo. Most likely it will never happen, but its just a thought.
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I really don't know what CBS is thinking for keeping this show around November Sweeps.
I don't know either. CBS couldn't possibly be happy with its ratings. I thought they had the itchiest trigger finger too (see Smith, 3 lbs., Viva Laughlin). I don't feel like this is a show that's going to grow either. One thing I will say it that it's been stable...stably bad, but stable nevertheless.
Yes, stable, lol. From a 3.2 lead-in it dipped to a 1.7, losing 3.5 million viewers from a show that is currently on fire this season. And, it's completely managed to kill Cold Case, which has never seen ratings this low. I know CC still has life in it - CBS needs to move it back to 9pm where it can get back its ratings boost, axe Three Rivers completely, and just plug in repeats Sundays at 10pm. It's so simple, yet for some reason they're holding back.
CBS should pull Three Rivers and put in episodes of Flashpoint. Then Cold Case can stay at 10pm and will have a better lead in. If CBS wanted to, they could also put repeats of Two and a Half Men and The Big Bang Theory at 9pm. I'm just throwing that out there as The Amazing Race is younger skewing, and with their two best comedies, they could pull a 2.5 demo. Most likely it will never happen, but its just a thought.
If CBS is serious about Flashpoint or perhaps the Bridge, they need to air them at 9pm on Sundays to give them a chance. Cold Case, which is clearly still around to keep Bruckheimer happy, can then stay at 10pm, where it would likely show gains from an improved lead in. The thing is, I'm not sure Flashpoint is all that younger skewing itself. It might do a 3.0, but I doubt it.
I really don't know what CBS is thinking for keeping this show around November Sweeps.
I don't know either. CBS couldn't possibly be happy with its ratings. I thought they had the itchiest trigger finger too (see Smith, 3 lbs., Viva Laughlin). I don't feel like this is a show that's going to grow either. One thing I will say it that it's been stable...stably bad, but stable nevertheless.
Yes, stable, lol. From a 3.2 lead-in it dipped to a 1.7, losing 3.5 million viewers from a show that is currently on fire this season. And, it's completely managed to kill Cold Case, which has never seen ratings this low. I know CC still has life in it - CBS needs to move it back to 9pm where it can get back its ratings boost, axe Three Rivers completely, and just plug in repeats Sundays at 10pm. It's so simple, yet for some reason they're holding back.
CBS should pull Three Rivers and put in episodes of Flashpoint. Then Cold Case can stay at 10pm and will have a better lead in. If CBS wanted to, they could also put repeats of Two and a Half Men and The Big Bang Theory at 9pm. I'm just throwing that out there as The Amazing Race is younger skewing, and with their two best comedies, they could pull a 2.5 demo. Most likely it will never happen, but its just a thought.
If CBS is serious about Flashpoint or perhaps the Bridge, they need to air them at 9pm on Sundays to give them a chance. Cold Case, which is clearly still around to keep Bruckheimer happy, can then stay at 10pm, where it would likely show gains from an improved lead in. The thing is, I'm not sure Flashpoint is all that younger skewing itself. It might do a 3.0, but I doubt it.
Flashpoint would never do close to a 3.0. The smart play here is to put Cold Case back to 9pm where viewers at least were in the habit of watching it the last few seasons and then Flashpoint at 10pm. The combined demo in this pairing would exceed the other way around.
CBS is not "serious" about Flashpoint or The Bridge in terms of building them into staples and they're really not serious about Cold Case anymore either. But as faded as it is, CC is still the 9pm show here.
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I really don't know what CBS is thinking for keeping this show around November Sweeps.
I don't know either. CBS couldn't possibly be happy with its ratings. I thought they had the itchiest trigger finger too (see Smith, 3 lbs., Viva Laughlin). I don't feel like this is a show that's going to grow either. One thing I will say it that it's been stable...stably bad, but stable nevertheless.
Yes, stable, lol. From a 3.2 lead-in it dipped to a 1.7, losing 3.5 million viewers from a show that is currently on fire this season. And, it's completely managed to kill Cold Case, which has never seen ratings this low. I know CC still has life in it - CBS needs to move it back to 9pm where it can get back its ratings boost, axe Three Rivers completely, and just plug in repeats Sundays at 10pm. It's so simple, yet for some reason they're holding back.
CBS should pull Three Rivers and put in episodes of Flashpoint. Then Cold Case can stay at 10pm and will have a better lead in. If CBS wanted to, they could also put repeats of Two and a Half Men and The Big Bang Theory at 9pm. I'm just throwing that out there as The Amazing Race is younger skewing, and with their two best comedies, they could pull a 2.5 demo. Most likely it will never happen, but its just a thought.
If CBS is serious about Flashpoint or perhaps the Bridge, they need to air them at 9pm on Sundays to give them a chance. Cold Case, which is clearly still around to keep Bruckheimer happy, can then stay at 10pm, where it would likely show gains from an improved lead in. The thing is, I'm not sure Flashpoint is all that younger skewing itself. It might do a 3.0, but I doubt it.
Last season Flashpoint was usually between a 1.8 and 2.0 demo while its lead in was around a 2.6 demo. With The Amazing Race at a 3.0 demo right now, Flashpoint could do a 2.2-2.4 demo. Nothing spectacular, but its an improvement over the 1.7 demo Three Rivers is doing.
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I really don't know what CBS is thinking for keeping this show around November Sweeps.
I don't know either. CBS couldn't possibly be happy with its ratings. I thought they had the itchiest trigger finger too (see Smith, 3 lbs., Viva Laughlin). I don't feel like this is a show that's going to grow either. One thing I will say it that it's been stable...stably bad, but stable nevertheless.
Yes, stable, lol. From a 3.2 lead-in it dipped to a 1.7, losing 3.5 million viewers from a show that is currently on fire this season. And, it's completely managed to kill Cold Case, which has never seen ratings this low. I know CC still has life in it - CBS needs to move it back to 9pm where it can get back its ratings boost, axe Three Rivers completely, and just plug in repeats Sundays at 10pm. It's so simple, yet for some reason they're holding back.
CBS should pull Three Rivers and put in episodes of Flashpoint. Then Cold Case can stay at 10pm and will have a better lead in. If CBS wanted to, they could also put repeats of Two and a Half Men and The Big Bang Theory at 9pm. I'm just throwing that out there as The Amazing Race is younger skewing, and with their two best comedies, they could pull a 2.5 demo. Most likely it will never happen, but its just a thought.
If CBS is serious about Flashpoint or perhaps the Bridge, they need to air them at 9pm on Sundays to give them a chance. Cold Case, which is clearly still around to keep Bruckheimer happy, can then stay at 10pm, where it would likely show gains from an improved lead in. The thing is, I'm not sure Flashpoint is all that younger skewing itself. It might do a 3.0, but I doubt it.
Flashpoint was pulling in 1.9-2.2 demos when it was airing on Fridays, and that was when both Ghost Whisperer and Numb3rs were considerably higher than they are now. I'm pretty sure if CBS wanted to plug in Flashpoint, it should go to 10pm, since Cold Case would probably be younger skewing and better rated at 9pm.
Like I said, for now, there's no point in plugging in something new on Sundays. They'd be best to just shift Cold Case to 9pm and air repeats at 10pm until midseason.
I have to agree. Mid-season, I'd move Numbers to 10 PM. Cold Case shifts to 9 PM. CBS needs to think long term on both their Friday and their Sunday schedule.
Flashpoint's best chance at being a long term solution is Fridays at 10 PM and should be scheduled there. Medium should run straight through its episodes at 9 PM. Then The Bridge should come in when the 22 episodes are over and fill in at 9 PM. If The Bridge pulls in anything near the ratings of Medium, it should take the 9 PM Friday spot. It's much cheaper than Medium and thus a better option for a Friday cost cutting plan. I'll get to where Medium moves to later. Ghost Whisperer is an ABC property and they are paying a huge licensing fee for a show that is declining. It's a financial decision and one that is a close call. Does CBS want to spend all of that money on an expensive license when they have Medium that could earn close to Ghost Whisperer's ratings at 8 PM and is cheaper? If they decide yes to Ghost Whisperer, then Ghost Whisperer is at 8 PM, The Bridge at 9 PM, Flashpoint at 10 PM next year. Medium moves to Sundays at 10 PM to hopefully fill that gap. If no to Ghost Whisperer, then Medium at 8 PM, The Bridge at 9 PM, Flashpoint at 10 PM. If The Bridge fails and yes to Ghost Whisperer, Ghost Whisperer at 8 PM, Medium at 9 PM, Flashpoint at 10 PM. If The Bridge fails and no to Ghost Whisperer, Medium at 8 PM, something cheap and co-production or 48 Hours Mystery (while looking for a cheap co-production) at 9 PM, Flashpoint at 10 PM. Sundays should be completely redone with a very strong, high profile show at 9 PM. Cold Case and Numbers will likely end.
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Originally posted by Julie:
Like I said, for now, there's no point in plugging in something new on Sundays. They'd be best to just shift Cold Case to 9pm and air repeats at 10pm until midseason.
BTW, WlcmZ, this analysis is way too much work for someone not getting paid to do it
I will touch on one point. I think they will have to ask themselves that if they think GW and Medium really have any life left whether or not they should be wasted on friday esp. since they have a quasi-friday situation going on a more important nite, Sunday.
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Originally posted by WlcmZapataTexas: I have to agree. Mid-season, I'd move Numbers to 10 PM. Cold Case shifts to 9 PM. CBS needs to think long term on both their Friday and their Sunday schedule.
Flashpoint's best chance at being a long term solution is Fridays at 10 PM and should be scheduled there. Medium should run straight through its episodes at 9 PM. Then The Bridge should come in when the 22 episodes are over and fill in at 9 PM. If The Bridge pulls in anything near the ratings of Medium, it should take the 9 PM Friday spot. It's much cheaper than Medium and thus a better option for a Friday cost cutting plan. I'll get to where Medium moves to later. Ghost Whisperer is an ABC property and they are paying a huge licensing fee for a show that is declining. It's a financial decision and one that is a close call. Does CBS want to spend all of that money on an expensive license when they have Medium that could earn close to Ghost Whisperer's ratings at 8 PM and is cheaper? If they decide yes to Ghost Whisperer, then Ghost Whisperer is at 8 PM, The Bridge at 9 PM, Flashpoint at 10 PM next year. Medium moves to Sundays at 10 PM to hopefully fill that gap. If no to Ghost Whisperer, then Medium at 8 PM, The Bridge at 9 PM, Flashpoint at 10 PM. If The Bridge fails and yes to Ghost Whisperer, Ghost Whisperer at 8 PM, Medium at 9 PM, Flashpoint at 10 PM. If The Bridge fails and no to Ghost Whisperer, Medium at 8 PM, something cheap and co-production or 48 Hours Mystery (while looking for a cheap co-production) at 9 PM, Flashpoint at 10 PM. Sundays should be completely redone with a very strong, high profile show at 9 PM. Cold Case and Numbers will likely end.
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Originally posted by Julie:
Like I said, for now, there's no point in plugging in something new on Sundays. They'd be best to just shift Cold Case to 9pm and air repeats at 10pm until midseason.
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