I think that both shows pull in horrible ratings in 18-49.

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Originally posted by jasonj263:
Guess what everyone. Boston Legal only posted a 2.6 in 18-49. That was lower than What About Brian's 2.7. What do you all think?

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Originally posted by Fred Farrar:
I am continually amazed at the CW fan site this has become.

In last week's ratings, only #93 "Friday Night Smackdown" (4.78 million viewers)and #94 "Smallville" (4.76 million) on the CW managed to finish ahead of ANY other prime time show on the other four networks (and both were on Fox: #95 "Nanny 911, 4.48 million and #104 The O.C" 3.65 million.)

If you DOUBLED last week's "Veronica Mars" numbers, it STILL would lose to "Nanny 911". Even Univision had 14 shows which finished ahead of "VM" last week.

So what is the appeal here? Certainly there seems to be very little on the network of any interest to the vast majority of TV viewers. Perhaps the CW should reinvent itself as a cable network -- and if it could keep just half its viewers in that framework it could legitimately claim some success.

It seems to me that often instead of discussing issues regarding TV shows that actually get -- or could get -- many viewers, we are tied up with back and forth from CW lovers about their seldom seen network. Face it: it is a network born of desperation by one-time indy stations which can't afford to buy programming. So they take what the CW gives them.

So why should we spend so much time agonizing over such minutiae?

I am not at all criticizing people for watching shows on the CW. Enjoy what you enjoy.

But given its ratings, posts about CW shows should take up less than 1/10th of the posts here.

Last week: Big Four Networks 15.0 (CW 1.2)
Last week 18-49: Big Four 15.1 (CW 1.4)

I am NOT a fan of The CW; but I started watching some of its shows before they were on CW, and I'm going to continue to watch them until they are over. I will not be watching anything new, though. I will never call a CW branded show my own.

For me, it's all just wishful thinking. The shows that have just recently started, I want them to keep going for a little while longer; I want them to have a run of at least 4-5 seasons (VM and Supernatural). The others will be gone within the next year or two anyway, because they are getting so old (Smallville, 7th H, GG, and so on).

This is amazing. NO WHERE does it say we have to discuss "issues regarding TV shows that actually get -- or could get -- many viewers!" It's no one's fault that young people are Internet savvy; they have the right to discuss whatever shows they want, whether they're low rated or not and whether or not they're on a "big" network.

It IS desperation; I agree. They will never do well if they target only teens. By the way, I am almost 21, if that matters; and I don't find the tripe of One Tree Hill, or shows of that vein, entertaining. They are ridiculous, disgusting, and all-around BAD, in my opinion.

But the network has some quality stuff, just like any other network, and it all started on The WB (and a TINY bit on UPN). I watch GG out of loyalty (it hasn't been great this season) and 7th Heaven for the same reason (shoot me now!). I've always been a Superman fan, so I watch Smallville. Supernatural is an interesting concept, and there is a lot of character development (and issues) going on. Reba was funny; and I was loyal. Veronica Mars was a great concept that not a lot of people got into, and I'm okay with that. But I did, and I want to see a real ending, whenever that happens to be. So yeah, I AM worried about the ratings for CW, but not because I enjoy The CW brand: because I want to see the shows I watch end WELL, not necessarily even with high ratings. I actually think The CW brand kind of sucks (except they are finally doing a FEW things right, like offering shows on iTunes). I just want to finish those shows and move on with my life. I don't condone the low ratings, nor am I arguing that the shows with low ratings should stay. I'm discussing the ratings in a mature manner (for the most part...LOL) and hoping to see good endings for my shows. Believe me, I wish the ratings were better. But this is a niche network, so I got my own self into this mess of low ratings. After this, I'm moving on to the big leagues. LOL.

By the way, I also watch a few shows on other networks: Ugly Betty (my guilty pleasure) and Brothers and Sisters on ABC, Heroes on NBC. I've been a fan of Friends (early on), Roseanne, Picket Fences, Alias, Jack & Bobby, Over There, and many MANY others. But they aren't on anymore. I have to talk about what IS on. Sadly, for you, I guess, that happens to be quite a few CW shows. I can't speak for the others, but those are MY thoughts.

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Originally posted by meggie:
Sorry. In this day and age? That is not a success or even "okay". It's a flop. Tuck Everlasting was a flop. A studio doesn't even begin to earn any money back on a film until long after it's recouped its expenses, and that's not even getting into what they put into it for promotion. If a widely released film can't hit $20 million then it's a failure.

So it's right on the fence, then. That doesn't sound TOO bad. LOL.

Considering that even NBC's Jeff Zucker has called American Idol the most impactful show in tv history, it looks like only a very few people on this board were among the multi-millions who watched it last night.
Does anyone know if a lot of people got to PI Feedback by being directed from a cw fan board?

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Originally posted by Fred Farrar:
I am continually amazed at the CW fan site this has become.

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Originally posted by TheHunter:

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Originally posted by Suzaku:

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Originally posted by Bb2:
Wow that sounds like the same Supernatural fans say.

Except you forgot to mention the fact that there is actually a basis for Supernatural fans to make that claim and none for Veronica Mars. Supernatural has done moderately well against stiff competition the entire season, and Veronica Mars did horribly without any competition in the fall and tanked even worse with competition in the spring.

Not to mention last year many Supernatural episodes got between 4.5-5.9 million viewers. Veronica Mars NEVER had those kind of numbers.

Aw, I miss those days. Supernatural was The WB's last legitimate hit. :-)

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Originally posted by hermitme:
See, the thing of it is, CW isn't as widespread or as well known as the big four. Going from there, just because the network doesn't draw the attention of the millions of AI, GA and CSI watchers doesn't mean there are no good programs to be had there, it means that people are creature of habits and social and most will watch what "everyone else is watching" so they can oooohhh and aaaahhhh at water coolers with everyone else and not feel left out. There have been great shows out there that have been cancelled, and on the big networks, and there have been crappy shows that have lasted for years. Just because the majority watches does not a quality program make. And for the few of us who do enjoy things out of the mainstream, the CW, SciFi and other stations satisfy that need.

Nice thoughts. Although I think the "not as widespread" argument is moot at this point. It's about the fragmentation of the TV market. There are too many channels, and one focused on teens doesn't help matters. But I agree about the fad shows thing. Some of them really aren't that great.

But then...all this is just a matter of opinion anyway, right? ;-)

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Originally posted by pisher:

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Yes, you're right. But AI had five to six million MORE viewers during VM than during GG. Just to point that out. ;-)

And you meant to point that out to SUPPORT VM?

With friends like you.....

I don't know what you mean. Yeah, I think it helps, to a degree, because even more people were watching AI when VM was on, so even if GG was on it that hour, the ratings WOULD have dropped.

Or possibly half of them were Gilmore Girls fans who don't want to watch VM. I wouldnt be surprised if a huge chunk of Veronica Mars fans actually watch NCIS instead of GG.

Yeah, true. Which is why CBS (?) should have taken VM in the first place. LOL. Or...not. I don't know. ;-)

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Originally posted by galveston:
Gilmore Girls is done. Scott Patterson's filming a pilot for another series. It's time to let it go, get Luke and Lorelai together by the end of the season and let it go. It's reached its creative end. Boy, the days of a cast of a successful show choosing to end it while the ratings are still high and the quality is still good are over, e.g. The Mary Tyler Moore show.

Reba ended with with good quality and some of the best rating on the CW. If the CW continues to do with what it does, I wouldn't be surprised if Reba is always the highest rated comedy for them.

AMEN! I don't know what that has to do with GG, but I agree.

Gee, I think it has more to do with that CW fans are more likely to looking for their shows ratings. A lot of them know that their shows don't get good ratings so to them this type of news is more important then to say... Grey's Anatomy or American Idol fans.

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Originally posted by RussTC3:
Maybe it speaks to the system that we have in place.

Face it, people continually say that no one watches the CW because they have crap programming. Yet I'd be willing to bet my life if American Idol premiered on UPN or WB or the CW it would be only a minor success.

How do you explain that? For whatever reason no one watches the network. You could put Grey's Anatomy, or House or CSI on it and people would still refuse to watch it.

I don't think the main problem with the network has to do with the quality of their line-up. It's a simple matter of terrible promotion, and maybe, just maybe something in the way the ratings are tabulated.

I'm not trying to advance some sort of conspiracy theory. It's my opinion that NO show on the network deserves to be renewed. They all perform terribly in the ratings. But it is what it is.

That doesn't mean I'm going to stop enjoying certain programming that they offer which I find to be incredibly enjoyable (such as Everybody Hates Chris, Smallville, Supernatural and Veronica Mars).

Good thoughts. I agree. :-)

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Originally posted by TheHunter:
Gee, I think it has more to do with that CW fans are more likely to looking for their shows ratings. A lot of them know that their shows don't get good ratings so to them this type of news is more important then to say... Grey's Anatomy or American Idol fans.

That's definitely true. And it makes sense, when you think about it.

All the "hit" shows (or those that come close, anyway) that I watch on the big networks have good ratings; they started out that way, and have continued on that way. So I don't worry about the ratings, though I do still check them, at least for Heroes. I think it's just more exciting to track the lower-rated shows to see if there are spikes in the ratings. If Grey's (which I don't watch) has a spike one week of a million or more viewers, big frickin' deal! But if Veronica or Supernatural went up a million or more in a week, it's totally exciting to watch and talk about. That's part of the reason this board is thronged with CW posts, I think. :-)

Marc,
What shows aren't "inside"?

Procedurals are about the "inside" exploits of doctors/lawyers/cops.
Don't you think The Black Donnellys will be even **more** inside, since very few people have any experience with Irish-American gangs?

Sitcoms/dramedies/all scripted shows are about areas environments and situations that viewers have not personally experienced.
TV mags, internet sites, and websites like this one have shown that audiences know more than ever about what was previously "behind the scenes."

And I'll ask again, when was the last time that you actually saw Studio 60 or 30 Rock do a story about making a tv show?


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Marc Berman:
Yes...Studio 60 was just too inside to succeed, which is also the case for 30 Rock. While I admire NBC for trying something different, it never had a shot. [QUOTE]

I watched AI. Pretty bad all in all. But I think most of them were crazy nervous and will improve in ensuing weeks. I would give a prediction for the vote but I don't remember any of their names.

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Originally posted by Gee:
Considering that even NBC's Jeff Zucker has called American Idol the most impactful show in tv history, it looks like only a very few people on this board were among the multi-millions who watched it last night.
Does anyone know if a lot of people got to PI Feedback by being directed from a cw fan board?

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Originally posted by Fred Farrar:
I am continually amazed at the CW fan site this has become.

OK. But once they see them, why do they have to get into all this Veronica Mars vs One Tree Hill, N Sync vs Backstreet Boys stuff?

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Originally posted by TheHunter:
Gee, I think it has more to do with that CW fans are more likely to looking for their shows ratings. A lot of them know that their shows don't get good ratings so to them this type of news is more important then to say... Grey's Anatomy or American Idol fans.

No finals for VM? No 18-34 finals for Supernatural last Thursday?

Where oh where has our Travis gone? Where oh where can he be?