It would've done much better than Pushing Daisies and that alone would've improved Wednesday. ABC was idiotic in wasting originals that did not help their sweeps average at all on Wednesday. I bet the 9pm hour of Polar Express on Friday pulled a 1.9 demo anyway, which would make them equal. I have no doubts that audience, which is much younger than PP's audience, would've carried over to Wednesday and probably grown with the promotion of Dancing from the night before.
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Originally posted by vlis: The Polar Express did not do better than PP and probably would have done worse on Wednesday when much of its audience was otherwise busy.
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The Polar Express (Viewers: #1, 6.59 million; A18-49: #1. 1.8 rating/6 share from 8-10 p.m.)
Yep. ABC won sweeps. Yet their down by double digits year to year and by up to 20% if I recall in some demographics. Hardly a victory. Fox is going to come back like usual and kill everyone. Notice also how all ABC talks of is their aging hits. Not a single word about the Wednesday trio, Eli Stone, Boston Legal, Samantha Who, or the Friday programs (even 20/20, which deserves accolades). Its hardly a prize with that upcoming midseason lineup that will crash and burn like no other. Tuesdays are going to be a black hole. They'll likely be a hole leading into Lost on Wednesdays (no surprise here) and I have strong doubts that Life on Mars can hold up on Wednesdays at 10. Should current results for LOM hold in the move, ABC should be very very happy. The one show I really hope survives the chimp-like programming is Samantha Who. Incredibly underrated comedy airing after a completely incompatible lead in. Hopefully Cougar Town or In the Motherhood click this midseason and SW? has a partner for next year.
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Originally posted by vlis: from abc....
Primetime - 2008 November Sweep (Based on National Live + Same Day Program Ratings)
ABC Ranks No. 1 for the 4th Straight November in Adults 18-49, The Net's Longest Winning Streak for the Month Since the Early '90s
ABC Airs 2 of the Top 3 Series in November in Adults 18-49 And 4 of the Top 8 Most-Watched Television Shows Overall
Net Claims 7 of the Top 10 Entertainment Telecasts in November '08 in Adults 18-49, And Between "Grey's" and "Housewives" Delivers the Top 7 Telecasts in Key Women
November 2008 (26 of 28 Nights): For the 4th consecutive November Sweep, ABC ranks as the No. 1 network in the key Adult 18-49 sales demo (3.2/8). By ranking No. 1 for the 4th year in a row, the Network is delivering its longest November winning streak since the early 1990s - since a streak going back to the start of the Nielsen electronic database from 1991-1994. ABC also is the No. 1 Net during the month across the key Women demographics: Women 18-34 (3.2/9) Women 18-49 (3.9/10) and Women 25-54 (4.6/11-tie).
2008 November Sweep Program Rankings:
* Series Rankings: In Adults 18-49, ABC aired 2 the Top 3 series during the 2008 November Sweep, with "Grey's Anatomy" - No. 1 and "Desperate Housewives" - No. 3. ABC placed 4 of the Top 8 most-watched TV series overall in November: "Dancing with the Stars" - No. 2, "Desperate Housewives" - No. 5, "DWTS Results" - No. 7, "Grey's Anatomy" - No. 8. Between "Grey's Anatomy" and "Desperate Housewives," ABC placed the Top 2 TV series of the sweep across all key women demographics (W18-34/W18-49/W25-54).
* Individual Telecast Rankings: ABC delivered 7 of the Top 10 individual entertainment telecasts during November 2008 among Adults 18-49: "Grey's Anatomy - 11/20" - No. 1 (tie), "Desperate Housewives - 11/16" - No. 1 (tie), "Grey's Anatomy - 11/6" - No. 4, "Desperate Housewives - 11/9" - No. 5, "Desperate Housewives - 11/2" - No. 6, "Grey's Anatomy - 10/30" - No. 7 (tie) and Grey's Anatomy - 11/13" No. 7 (tie). Additionally, the Network claimed each of the Top 7 telecasts during November across the key Women demographics (W18-34/W218-49/W25-54).
Not even considering the CMA's instead of their Wednesday night crapfest or 5,000 hours of DWTS, take out the ratings for election night and those two college football games, and then let's talk about ABC's great sweeps performance.
It's not ABC's fault that CBS has such a bad news division and 60 minutes with Obama wasnt a sweep stunt?
It is CBS's fault in some ways for their sweeps loss too. Katie Couric is just a nightmare for them in primetime, especially among demo viewers, but I will say its pretty sad ABC could only win by .1 with roughly twice as much stunt programming. Extended Dancing every week, the CMAs, the AMAs (which did better than normal Sunday programs in the demo overall), Charlie Brown, and their own Obama interview instead of deathly low rated DSM. The football games don't bother me. ABC gets those fair and square just like CBS has football to prop up TV's oldest skewing programs. If CBS was wise and aggressively put some gameshows on Saturday nights, they would probably get a .5 or .6 demo gain each weeek, if not more, and increase the viewer totals by a couple million and find themselves making some dough for a little bit of nothing. Not to mention, then CSI repeats could air during sweeps in place of other low rated stuff like the Unit or something like Gary and Christine when ABC stunted against them.
If dumont could help us out here it would be nice. On nights like Wednesday, Thursday, and Tuesday I'd like to see how far ABC has fallen. Hell throw in Monday on top of it. Is there even a time period where ABC is up year to year besides 20/20 and College Football? Granted, I know DVRs played a factor, but one cannot call this fall successful for ABC. They should've been way ahead this fall. Instead, they're just barely beating grandpa CBS.
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Originally posted by vlis: For sweeps, the demo was down 13% and viewers by 9%. Factor in increased dvr penetration and I'd call it a push.
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Yet their down by double digits year to year and by up to 20% if I recall in some demographics
Originally posted by mushu_jj: If dumont could help us out here it would be nice. On nights like Wednesday, Thursday, and Tuesday I'd like to see how far ABC has fallen. Hell throw in Monday on top of it.
You have to get in line. I'm still waiting to see the Nov. sweeps results for CW and MNTV with ALL Friday data subtracted out of this year and last year. That is the only way to see how the two networks are doing year-vs-year excluding Smackdown.
Originally posted by lopez: It's not ABC's fault that CBS has such a bad news division and 60 minutes with Obama wasnt a sweep stunt?
Of all the sweeps stunts, it is the 60 Minutes/Obama 'stunt' that jumped out with the biggest surprise boost of network ratings, IMO, simply because it wasn't something the networks could plan for. It doesn't really make and sense to call the CMAs, NFL, College Football out as 'stunts' since the networks plan/pay for them and use them every year. Also, ABC was doing the DwtS recap last year as well, so for a year-vs-year comparison, that certainly isn't 'stunt' programming.
Originally posted by mushu_jj: If dumont could help us out here it would be nice. On nights like Wednesday, Thursday, and Tuesday I'd like to see how far ABC has fallen. Hell throw in Monday on top of it. Is there even a time period where ABC is up year to year besides 20/20 and College Football? Granted, I know DVRs played a factor, but one cannot call this fall successful for ABC. They should've been way ahead this fall. Instead, they're just barely beating grandpa CBS.
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Originally posted by vlis: For sweeps, the demo was down 13% and viewers by 9%. Factor in increased dvr penetration and I'd call it a push.
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Yet their down by double digits year to year and by up to 20% if I recall in some demographics
I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but it's the nightly year-over-year increases/decreases for ABC over the last five weeks of the now-concluded Sweep. ABC experienced declines on most nights with the exception of a few Tuesdays and Saturday nights.
Originally posted by mushu_jj: If dumont could help us out here it would be nice. On nights like Wednesday, Thursday, and Tuesday I'd like to see how far ABC has fallen. Hell throw in Monday on top of it. Is there even a time period where ABC is up year to year besides 20/20 and College Football? Granted, I know DVRs played a factor, but one cannot call this fall successful for ABC. They should've been way ahead this fall. Instead, they're just barely beating grandpa CBS.
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Originally posted by vlis: For sweeps, the demo was down 13% and viewers by 9%. Factor in increased dvr penetration and I'd call it a push.
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Yet their down by double digits year to year and by up to 20% if I recall in some demographics
I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but it's the nightly year-over-year increases/decreases for ABC over the last five weeks of the now-concluded Sweep. ABC experienced declines on most nights with the exception of a few Tuesdays and Saturday nights.
Thanks dumont! Hehe to Obveeus, although I would love to see the CW's weekly results for this season without their Friday night vs. MNTV without Friday night. I have a feeling MyNet would be doing no better without Smackdown included in the weekly average while CW would be doing perhaps slightly better without Friday included, although the Sunday lineup is a complete bomb.
Originally posted by lopez: It's not ABC's fault that CBS has such a bad news division and 60 minutes with Obama wasnt a sweep stunt?
Of all the sweeps stunts, it is the 60 Minutes/Obama 'stunt' that jumped out with the biggest surprise boost of network ratings, IMO, simply because it wasn't something the networks could plan for. It doesn't really make and sense to call the CMAs, NFL, College Football out as 'stunts' since the networks plan/pay for them and use them every year. Also, ABC was doing the DwtS recap last year as well, so for a year-vs-year comparison, that certainly isn't 'stunt' programming.
Well, yeah, if you put an exclusive interview on a regularly scheduled newsmagazine, it is so much more of a stunt than pulling a usually crappy rated soap on the last night of sweeps at the last minute and airing a special featuring a guy who delivered big ratings on the previously regularly scheduled program.
As for CBS' news division being so awful, I won't disagree one bit with any of you, but CBS at least has options in that area (I still think they should just outsource the department to CNN). Also, they only have to worry about it negatively affecting their ratings once every four years, whereas ABC's declines in its regular programming has been so dramatic, they could be in some SERIOUS trouble if none of their midseason shows hit.
Well, yeah, if you put an exclusive interview on a regularly scheduled newsmagazine, it is so much more of a stunt than pulling a usually crappy rated soap on the last night of sweeps at the last minute and airing a special featuring a guy who delivered big ratings on the previously regularly scheduled program. .
Because 25 millions viewers for 60 Minutes is so normal these days , yeah no sweep stunt.
Originally posted by mushu_jj: Thanks dumont! Hehe to Obveeus, although I would love to see the CW's weekly results for this season without their Friday night vs. MNTV without Friday night. I have a feeling MyNet would be doing no better without Smackdown included in the weekly average while CW would be doing perhaps slightly better without Friday included, although the Sunday lineup is a complete bomb.
Since dumont hasn't put up the numbers, I agree with you that the conclusion must be that MNTV is doing worse than last year while CW is doing better than last year. Why else would dumont not want to post the data?
