What does AI have to do with anything? No one is telling you to be quiet. Instead, they are presenting facts to prove their point which most of the time you haven't addressed. My bringing up the new members was to show that all the Moonlight posts were a recruitment effort to try to prove that there was overwhelming internet support. An effort in your own messages you don't deny and is shown by you addressing everyone who had an opinion on Moonlight for now four pages. Let it go. Unfortunately, it is still the weak link on Friday and cancellation is in its forcast whether it happens in May or whether CBS ignores the numbers and gives it another 13 and then cancels it. It is just a matter of time.
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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Why is it upsetting you that I pointed it out? It's obvious.
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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Looks like the Moonlight fanclub has found this board. It is amazing how many new members have popped up supporting the show.
Why is that bothering you? Fans of AI have their animated discussion of that show after it airs. I don't hear you complain. And although I despise AI, it's their right to discuss it if they wish to, just as it's the right of Moonlight fans to discuss the show here.
Why are you shifting blame from yourself to others? You were expressing displeasure at people discussing a show they like that you don't. How would you feel if someone else tried to shut you up because they can't stand AI or any of those other shows you're into? Live and let live!
Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: What does AI have to do with anything? No one is telling you to be quiet. Instead, they are presenting facts to prove their point which most of the time you haven't addressed. My bringing up the new members was to show that all the Moonlight posts were a recruitment effort to try to prove that there was overwhelming internet support. An effort in your own messages you don't deny and is shown by you addressing everyone who had an opinion on Moonlight for now four pages. Let it go. Unfortunately, it is still the weak link on Friday and cancellation is in its forcast whether it happens in May or whether CBS ignores the numbers and gives it another 13 and then cancels it. It is just a matter of time.
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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Why is it upsetting you that I pointed it out? It's obvious.
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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Looks like the Moonlight fanclub has found this board. It is amazing how many new members have popped up supporting the show.
Why is that bothering you? Fans of AI have their animated discussion of that show after it airs. I don't hear you complain. And although I despise AI, it's their right to discuss it if they wish to, just as it's the right of Moonlight fans to discuss the show here.
Why are you shifting blame from yourself to others? You were expressing displeasure at people discussing a show they like that you don't. How would you feel if someone else tried to shut you up because they can't stand AI or any of those other shows you're into? Live and let live!
And we have already proved to the naysayers they are wrong. They were wrong when they denied that there is a strong fan base. They were wrong when they didn't realize how incredibly popular the show is worldwide and the extent of the media exposure. And they were wrong to try and compare to either the lead-in or last year's results. AI was given here as an example. You were trying to diss fans of Moonlight by "shaming them into silence". How would you feel if the tables are turned?
Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: What does AI have to do with anything? No one is telling you to be quiet. Instead, they are presenting facts to prove their point which most of the time you haven't addressed. My bringing up the new members was to show that all the Moonlight posts were a recruitment effort to try to prove that there was overwhelming internet support. An effort in your own messages you don't deny and is shown by you addressing everyone who had an opinion on Moonlight for now four pages. Let it go. Unfortunately, it is still the weak link on Friday and cancellation is in its forcast whether it happens in May or whether CBS ignores the numbers and gives it another 13 and then cancels it. It is just a matter of time.
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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Why is it upsetting you that I pointed it out? It's obvious.
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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Looks like the Moonlight fanclub has found this board. It is amazing how many new members have popped up supporting the show.
Why is that bothering you? Fans of AI have their animated discussion of that show after it airs. I don't hear you complain. And although I despise AI, it's their right to discuss it if they wish to, just as it's the right of Moonlight fans to discuss the show here.
Why are you shifting blame from yourself to others? You were expressing displeasure at people discussing a show they like that you don't. How would you feel if someone else tried to shut you up because they can't stand AI or any of those other shows you're into? Live and let live!
I think ML definitely gets renewed, and its longevity is completely based on the other networks. If the other networks decide to ever program against it the ratings drop, and it is gone. I mean do you think it will face Duel, Dateline NBC and that crap FOX keeps putting on forever ?
Originally posted by total eclipse: If Numb3ers followed GW, numbers would have tanked. I already explained earlier that GW's numbers tanked when it aired at 9.
Your explanation is not valid. You compared GW repeating in its regularly scheduled timeslot with GW repeating in an out of time slot brief appearance.
Validity is crystal clear, because I proved that the 9pm timestlot is particularly detrimental, to the extent that an established show dropped over a million viewers compared to the previous week simply because it moved to 9. I don't know what is it about Fridays at 9, but it is the hour of death. That is why other networks don't like to schedule anything they have high hopes for in that timeslot.
Ghost Whisperer in repeat at 8pm: 12/28/07(R) 6.09 M 1.6 01/04/08(R) 6.75 M 1.8 01/25/08(R) 7.08 M 1.8 02/01/08(R) 7.30 M 1.8 02/08/08(R) 6.60 M 1.8 02/15/08(R) 6.48 M 1.8 04/18/08(R) 6.74 M 1.7
Ghost Whisperer in repeat ratings at 9pm: 02/22/08(R-9pm) 6.37 M 1.7 02/29/08(R-9pm) 7.02 M 1.8 03/07/08(R-9pm) 6.74 M 1.8 03/14/08(R-9pm) 6.12 M 1.6
Moonlight in repeat ratings at 9pm: 12/21/07(R) 3.92 M 1.0 12/28/07(R) 4.88 M 1.3 01/04/08(R) 5.05 M 1.4 02/01/08(R) 5.72 M 1.5 02/08/08(R) 5.45 M 1.5 04/18/08(R) 5.27 M 1.4
Do you still see no difference now? Hardly a drop in ratings for GW moving to 9pm and hardly a "death spot."
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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: How is Moonlight's Friday at 9 slot the hardest timeslot of the week? Let's look at its competition this week, a movie repeat on FOX, Dateline NBC, Duel on ABC which is heading towards cancellation and Wrestling on CW. Due to this weak competition, it makes Moonlight's drop even more alarming. It faces virtually no competition and it still can't keep the audience. Next season, it won't even be tops in its timeslot as NBC is programming Deal or No Deal Fridays at 9.
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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Next season, CBS has to try a new show Friday at 9. They are just wasting the advantage they have with Moonlight. It is continually pulling down the schedule and forcing Numbers to pick it up again.
Friday at 9 is probably the toughest time slot of the week. It has been proven that even GW's repeat at 9 got a much smaller number than when it is repeated at 8. Moonlight is a great show, and it's refreshing to see CBS take a chance, for one, with a genre show. I'm pretty sure CBS will pick it up for another season at the same time. It is a huge success story.
1. What drop? The last new ep scored a little over 8 mil. Considering how much other shows (DH, GA) have dropped lately, this is nothing. Excellent retention. 2. Friday nights are the toughest because less people tend to watch TV on Fridays, hence the low numbers across the board. And I mentioned the specific drop at 9 vs 8 earlier in this thread.
But when nothing else is being programmed, it should have much higher ratings. Numb3rs could of done better if not for Moonlight.
Moonlight is not hurting Numb3rs LOL !!I do not watch Numb3ers but this logic had me laughing since now Monnlight is responsible for Numb3rs ratings ? Seems to me if you enjoy a show you watch no metter what comes on before or after or am I crazy ?
If Numb3rs followed GW, it could of had 10 million viewers easily. Moonlight, didnt. Moonlight IMO is a COMPLETE FAILURE.
So by that reasoning the only way Numb3rs can be really successful is by following GW ? LOL Do you always base what you watch by what precedes it ? If so that's mighty strange ! I watch a show because I enjoy it and not based on the show before it but that's me .. Monnlight is by far NOT a complete failure. It is only a failure to those who hate the show and the ones who are still smarting about the loss of CLH which I can understand per se but also understand why people enjoy Moonlight too so see both sides but simply saying Moonlight is a failure is not an accurate statement ,
If they had all of these things, it wouldn't be losing over a million viewers from its lead in and then relying on the 10 PM hour to gain those viewers back. All you proved was that multiple people can write about a topic at the same time. As I said before, advertisers don't care if you post a thousand topics a day about the show. They care about the numbers. And the whole "shaming into silence" is just weakening your argument. Lashing out isn't going to fix the numbers.
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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: What does AI have to do with anything? No one is telling you to be quiet. Instead, they are presenting facts to prove their point which most of the time you haven't addressed. My bringing up the new members was to show that all the Moonlight posts were a recruitment effort to try to prove that there was overwhelming internet support. An effort in your own messages you don't deny and is shown by you addressing everyone who had an opinion on Moonlight for now four pages. Let it go. Unfortunately, it is still the weak link on Friday and cancellation is in its forcast whether it happens in May or whether CBS ignores the numbers and gives it another 13 and then cancels it. It is just a matter of time.
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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Why is it upsetting you that I pointed it out? It's obvious.
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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Looks like the Moonlight fanclub has found this board. It is amazing how many new members have popped up supporting the show.
Why is that bothering you? Fans of AI have their animated discussion of that show after it airs. I don't hear you complain. And although I despise AI, it's their right to discuss it if they wish to, just as it's the right of Moonlight fans to discuss the show here.
Why are you shifting blame from yourself to others? You were expressing displeasure at people discussing a show they like that you don't. How would you feel if someone else tried to shut you up because they can't stand AI or any of those other shows you're into? Live and let live!
And we have already proved to the naysayers they are wrong. They were wrong when they denied that there is a strong fan base. They were wrong when they didn't realize how incredibly popular the show is worldwide and the extent of the media exposure. And they were wrong to try and compare to either the lead-in or last year's results. AI was given here as an example. You were trying to diss fans of Moonlight by "shaming them into silence". How would you feel if the tables are turned?
Also interesting I just noticed, GW got a 2.3/ 9 share, while ML got a 2.1/ 6 share in the demo. That means ML dropped three shares from GW. Which translated means the only reason the demo is even close is because much more 18-49 year olds were watching TV at 9:00. Could you imagine if GW had gotten its 9 share at 9:00, while ML got its 6 share at 8:00. The difference in the demos than would have been huge.
Womens Murder club should be picked up and put back in the place that it was doin good and thats at friday at 9pm.
Walter
Why did ABC move Women's Murder Club anyway? It was getting around 8-9 million viewers in that slot, and that's HUGE compared to Duel. I don't understand why ABC feels they need to expose the show to everyone by airing it after Grey's and after Dancing With the Stars. It already was a hit.
They need to move it back, and fast. If ABC cancels it, I think I might have to shoot someone.
Originally posted by robert: Look at the results for C2H a year ago:
At 9 p.m., the probable final episode of CBS’ two-year-old Close to Home dominated with 10.45 million viewers and a 2.6/ 9 among adults 18-49
Moonves should be fired only for this decision. C2H was doing very well in demos, anyway much better than Moonlight
for the 2nd time you can't compare numbers from a year ago because everyshow is down this year because of itunes and such and DVDR. C2H would have been down to and you freakin know it. Moonlight is doing very good it has lost no viewers after the strike wich proves this show has a core audience and should definetely be renewed.
Oh so on one hand you say Moonlight didn't drop like all the other shows after the strike but you also say C2H would've done worse than last season. It's very logical what you're saying
C2H would've beaten easily Moonlight's numbers in viewing numbers and also in demos.
BTW if it drops to 7 million next week what you'll say?
Moonlight wasn't even on the air a year ago. It started 7 months ago. So i made my point just right
Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Looks like the Moonlight fanclub has found this board. It is amazing how many new members have popped up supporting the show.
CBS Leads May Sweep in Demo, Households and Viewership
After two nights of the May Sweep, CBS has established itself as the top network in A18-49 demo, households and viewership.
All the networks are down year-over-year in A18-49 demo, ranging from 6% to 19%. Only FOX (up 3% in households and viewers) and MyNetworkTV (up 70% in viewers) are showing year-over-year improvement.
nights nights
demo web demo demo % won won
Rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 CBS 3.15 3.60 -13% 1 1
2 ABC 3.00 3.68 -19% 1 1
3 NBC 2.25 2.40 -6%
4 FOX 1.80 2.15 -16%
5 CW 1.25 1.40 -11%
6 MNT n.a. 0.35 -100%
total 11.45 13.58 -16% 2 2
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HH web HH HH HH won won
rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 CBS 7.4 8.1 -8% 2 2
2 ABC 5.6 6.4 -14%
3 NBC 4.2 4.4 -6%
4 FOX 4.0 3.9 3%
5 CW 2.1 2.5 -14%
6 MNT n.a. 0.8 -100%
total 23.2 25.9 -11% 2 2
nights nights
viewers web viewers viewers viewers won won
rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 CBS 11.675 12.775 -9% 2 2
2 ABC 8.476 9.467 -10%
3 FOX 6.211 6.038 3%
4 NBC 6.208 6.678 -7%
5 CW 3.564 3.908 -9%
6 MNT 1.900 1.115 70%
total 38.03 39.980 -5% 2 2
This years and last years numbers are based upon final Nielsen numbers for Thursday and FAST Nationals for Friday, except for MyNetworkTV Thursday viewership which is a preliminary viewer estimate.
1) The concept and the target audience of ML is very similar (female demo), so if the lead-out show loses viewer, then there is a sign of viewer rejection.
2) C2H was the #1 show for couple weeks last winter/spring and it did not have any trouble retaining viewers from GW. So in comparison, Moonlight replaced a better performing show and it fails to perform.
3) The Price is Right Prime-time strike filler perform better than ML when it was airing at 9pm couple weeks ago, or back in February (Some weeks it aired at 9).
4) Because of the strike, CBS would be extra conservative about their fall schedule and I can see ML is this year's Jericho; either revive (no pun intended) after May or CBS figure out they should just skip the whole song and dance and renew it for 13eps.
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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Looks like the Moonlight fanclub has found this board. It is amazing how many new members have popped up supporting the show.
Why is that bothering you? Fans of AI have their animated discussion of that show after it airs. I don't hear you complain. And although I despise AI, it's their right to discuss it if they wish to, just as it's the right of Moonlight fans to discuss the show here.
Now,
I saying this not to be mean ok,
When people comment on the sucess of AI and no one gets mad is because there r telling the truth.
But with Moonlight its just not the most sucessful show on friday that why they comment on your comments.
For some reason ABC did not value WMC and to me, the last chance on Tuesday looks like a burn off. ABC is looking for a reason to get rid of it. There is no argument that can be made for choosing Duel in the timeslot over WMC.
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Womens Murder club should be picked up and put back in the place that it was doin good and thats at friday at 9pm.
Walter
Why did ABC move Women's Murder Club anyway? It was getting around 8-9 million viewers in that slot, and that's HUGE compared to Duel. I don't understand why ABC feels they need to expose the show to everyone by airing it after Grey's and after Dancing With the Stars. It already was a hit.
They need to move it back, and fast. If ABC cancels it, I think I might have to shoot someone.
Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Looks like the Moonlight fanclub has found this board. It is amazing how many new members have popped up supporting the show.
You are correct. A link to this thread was posted on a few Moonlight fans forums.
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