Originally posted by mushu_jj: I agree but Fox clearly didn't care all that much about either from the get go, thus the initial pairing and the tearing down of sets already never is a good sign.
I don't think that's entirely true. FOX blasted a heck of a lot of ads out for NA prior to it's premiere and they gave it, not one, but two previews behind American Idol. I never saw much effort behind CL, though.
The pairing of CL with NA was not the original intention, either. CL got stuck there at the last minute after they re-shuffled Bones when the strike ended. NA had originally been paired first with House and then with Bones mid-season.
As an aside, who's sets are being torn down? CL's?
Originally posted by robert: Disappointing results for everyone, including for CBS. I guess that's the end for CL
Oh no not just yet
Unless it pulls around 8.5 to 9 million next week, I'd say its dead. Fox has a huge slate of new dramas and very few timeslots to fill. New Amsterdam still has a shot at renewal, but its overall unlikely. And last night's results were poor overall.
But i think fox would be smart and pair NA with CL on fridays.
Friday 8:00pm New Amsterdam 9:00pm Canterburys Law
Because fox has a sucky friday
So Fridays can be even lower rated? Bones is going to Fridays next fall and likely will get paired with either a) a new drama, b)possibly New Amsterdam, or c) a reality/game show. The two Monday night players from January (PB and SCC) will return there and House will be used to launch a new drama in all likelihood on Tuesdays. Don't even think of dramas on Wed. as both ABC, NBC, CW, and CBS all use dramas on this night. Fox will prolly stick to Til Death, B2Y, and Kitchen Nightmares. I don't see a shortened comedy block on Sundays either and Thursdays are better than ever with 5th Grader and Lyrics.
No,
Canterburys Law is doing good on fridays.
Last I checked, 5 million isn't good. Even on a Friday.
Originally posted by John T. Folden: As an aside, who's sets are being torn down? CL's?
The sets for New Amsterdam were reportedly torn down shortly after the network stopped production of the original 13 episode order (shortening the order to what was already 'in the can').
Friday's and Saturday's (though who would notice) get a little harder hit post daylight savings time, especially the earlier in the evening it is. The GW drop happens every spring after the basketball tourney. Look at the Price is Right special that aired after the start of DST. It dropped more than a million viewers from what it had been getting. So, yeah, ML, will probably be impacted too. The two episodes of GW have been on par with what it did the first month of the season in viewers in the demo. Numb3rs has been a little above season average in viewers and at season lows in the demo. What CBS wants Moonlight to get in order to renew, who knows. I'd guess they'd at least want ML to maintain the season average retention levels out of GW.
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Originally posted by total eclipse: I'm sad for CL. Last night's installment was fantastic! Julianna Margulies deserves some kind of a recognition over her portrayal of the lead character, who is NOT your run of the mill TV female attorney.
Yup, I like her character quite a bit. It seems like CL just got lost this season... It keeps hitting so low in the demo, though, that I have trouble seeing FOX bring it back. The 1.x demo concerns me more than the overall viewing figures.
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I don't know what to make of GW's numbers though, because they are slightly lower than they were before the strike (by about a mil). What does that mean for Moonlight, not just for next week, but for the fresh eps in two? Will those numbers affect Moonlight's in any way, because as it is right now - they're almost on par (GW of this week, with pre-hiatus Moonlight).
I'm guessing if GW's figures are soft then ML's figures will be softer, too... but Friday was pretty weak for everybody.
That's what I'm afraid of. Moonlight really needs to NOT drop below the 8 mil right now, because it's still on the bubble, and as vocal the fandom has been, that might not be enough (though I still believe CBS are likely to renew). Lower numbers for GW and lower numbers for Moonlight (god forbid!) but high / normal numbers for Numb3rs (pun intended) = VERY bad for Moonlight.
It looks like CBS would be stronger putting The Price Is Right on at 8pm, the GH at 9pm. Would give the night a more even flow and boost over all numbers.
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CBS scored another modest Friday victory, with a first-place finish in every half-hour with its combination of Ghost Whisperer (Viewers: #8.74 million; A18-49: 2.5 rating/9 share), The Price is Right (Viewers: 8.15 million; A18-49: 2.1/ 7) and Numb3rs (Viewers: 9.59 million; A18-49: 2.3/ 7). Each show has to be considered a “winner” on this typical low HUT level Friday. Next week, vampire drama Moonlight returns with an encore performance at 9 p.m.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: It looks like CBS would be stronger putting The Price Is Right on at 8pm, the GH at 9pm. Would give the night a more even flow and boost over all numbers.
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CBS scored another modest Friday victory, with a first-place finish in every half-hour with its combination of Ghost Whisperer (Viewers: #8.74 million; A18-49: 2.5 rating/9 share), The Price is Right (Viewers: 8.15 million; A18-49: 2.1/ 7) and Numb3rs (Viewers: 9.59 million; A18-49: 2.3/ 7). Each show has to be considered a “winner” on this typical low HUT level Friday. Next week, vampire drama Moonlight returns with an encore performance at 9 p.m.
They should have known The Price is Right was better as a lead in, it was pulling 9mil with the other 2 in reruns. I honestly don't know why CBS just didn't keep it there. Sure Moonlight but maybe it would have done better in the 8pm slot too.
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Originally posted by Obveeus: The sets for New Amsterdam were reportedly torn down shortly after the network stopped production of the original 13 episode order (shortening the order to what was already 'in the can').
I've not heard anything about the sets one way or the other but just this last week, David Manson (executive producer / show runner) told me he was still "hopeful" FOX would pick up a second season.
Originally posted by Obveeus: If the discussion was about network profit, then DVD sales and syndication rights add zero to the network profits. Online presense does add to network profits though page visits and some shows (though certainly not FNL or 30 Rock) do raise the entire network up through their presense. Still, the bulk of any show's profitability boils down to network license cost vs. ad revenue. If you have to start pullling in numbers other than those two in order to claim the show is making money, then it isn't.
Well, syndication does add to profit if the network (or the larger corporate entity) owns the show. I mean NBC (NBCU) made money in syndication on Friends and Seinfeld, I believe. Am I wrong or missing something?
The ban that was lifted that allowed the TV studios to start owning shows is only about 8 to 10 years old now. So I think those shows are out of the NBCU loop.
Seinfeld was a Castle Rock production which, at the time, was a Warner Prothers company.
But, who knows who owns that now. There have been so many purchases, take overs and mergers the last few years, I have lost track, a little.
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Originally posted by Obveeus: If the discussion was about network profit, then DVD sales and syndication rights add zero to the network profits. Online presense does add to network profits though page visits and some shows (though certainly not FNL or 30 Rock) do raise the entire network up through their presense. Still, the bulk of any show's profitability boils down to network license cost vs. ad revenue. If you have to start pullling in numbers other than those two in order to claim the show is making money, then it isn't.
Well, syndication does add to profit if the network (or the larger corporate entity) owns the show. I mean NBC (NBCU) made money in syndication on Friends and Seinfeld, I believe. Am I wrong or missing something?
Originally posted by TV-aholic: The ban that was lifted that allowed the TV studios to start owning shows is only about 8 to 10 years old now. So I think those shows are out of the NBCU loop.
Seinfeld was a Castle Rock production which, at the time, was a Warner Prothers company.
But, who knows who owns that now. There have been so many purchases, take overs and mergers the last few years, I have lost track, a little.
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Originally posted by Obveeus: If the discussion was about network profit, then DVD sales and syndication rights add zero to the network profits. Online presense does add to network profits though page visits and some shows (though certainly not FNL or 30 Rock) do raise the entire network up through their presense. Still, the bulk of any show's profitability boils down to network license cost vs. ad revenue. If you have to start pullling in numbers other than those two in order to claim the show is making money, then it isn't.
Well, syndication does add to profit if the network (or the larger corporate entity) owns the show. I mean NBC (NBCU) made money in syndication on Friends and Seinfeld, I believe. Am I wrong or missing something?
I must be wrong then. I thought for sure I had read about some astronomical sum that NBC was going to make off Seinfeld syndication. Well, somebody did anyhow.
Originally posted by Hawk-eye: Well, syndication does add to profit if the network (or the larger corporate entity) owns the show.
Some 'larger corporate entity' makes money, but the network does not. How would you like to the the President of ABC and trying to explain your balance sheet after next year when you had According to Jim and Scrubs both chewing away in the negative column? Sure, some 'larger corporate entity' makes money off the extended number of episodes for syndication, but the bottom line for ABC (the network) is still negative. The only way the networks benefit from those syndication deals is if that 'larger corporate entity' offers them a reduced license fee. In that case, the way to figure the network benefit of the show remains the same: licensing cost vs. ad revenue.
Originally posted by Obveeus: The sets for New Amsterdam were reportedly torn down shortly after the network stopped production of the original 13 episode order (shortening the order to what was already 'in the can').
I've not heard anything about the sets one way or the other but just this last week, David Manson (executive producer / show runner) told me he was still "hopeful" FOX would pick up a second season.
I believe they were torn down in October according to The Hollywood Reporter.
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Originally posted by Hawk-eye: Well, syndication does add to profit if the network (or the larger corporate entity) owns the show.
Some 'larger corporate entity' makes money, but the network does not. How would you like to the the President of ABC and trying to explain your balance sheet after next year when you had According to Jim and Scrubs both chewing away in the negative column? Sure, some 'larger corporate entity' makes money off the extended number of episodes for syndication, but the bottom line for ABC (the network) is still negative. The only way the networks benefit from those syndication deals is if that 'larger corporate entity' offers them a reduced license fee. In that case, the way to figure the network benefit of the show remains the same: licensing cost vs. ad revenue.
Are the license fees of shows made public and where can I find them?
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