I think ABC did. They did a huge launch platform for it. They tried to turn it into "Lost" as the can't miss TV show. In fact, I'd argue they did more for this show than Flash Forward, holding it back so that once other shows settled and the audience got bored, they would turn to V. And for the first week it worked. However, the audience isn't sticking around.
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Originally posted by Bruce: And whoever thought this was going to be more than a niche type of show anyway? Unless it turned into some major tv event like the early Lost, this was the range it was headed to.
For me, this V is a simple REMAKE, unlike BattleStar was a complete reimaging. V needed that Reimaging to be successful.
I have to agree... the scope of the story seems very limited. I can't see how this show can have more than 2 seasons worth of stories unless they majorly expand the mythology... "zomg! We are building a resistance" is gonna get old after a while
DEEP SPACE NINE was a serialized SCI FI show that got many more seasons than just two..so I think with good writers there is no reason you can't get enough stories to run a few seasons.
I can't believe people are already declaring V dead on this board...in the end it will probably be ABC THIRD most watched show of the week...certainly in the top FIVE.
DS9 was not "Serialized". It had threads that ran through multiple episodes, but most of the episodes were stand alone episodes.
V's issues is not if it IS or IS NOT serialized. The problem will be coming from being redundant with the story telling. That was what killed the Original series in the 80's. the Original BSG had those same issues, but the BSG Reimaging was successful by not falling into that trap.
For me, this V is a simple REMAKE, unlike BattleStar was a complete reimaging. V needed that Reimaging to be successful.
I have to agree... the scope of the story seems very limited. I can't see how this show can have more than 2 seasons worth of stories unless they majorly expand the mythology... "zomg! We are building a resistance" is gonna get old after a while
How expansive can the scope of the story get in 3 eps? Hopefully, the producers will put a bit more emphasis on the "Anna" side of the show and not the intrigues of the resistance, which is more predictable. I enjoyed last nite, thought a few doors were opened.
Ratings wise I would class last nite as a mild disappointment but not a drop through the floor.
We've got this series in the PIF microwave, jumping a bit too quickly to conclusions about ratings for a show whose early numbers figured to be jaded, and judging its story potential on just a few eps. I think the story is moving along nicely. And whoever thought this was going to be more than a niche type of show anyway? Unless it turned into some major tv event like the early Lost, this was the range it was headed to.
My analysis of V is not ratings based. As a kid, I watched the original series and I see a similar direction being taken by the remake. Yes, you have better production values and acting, but the story direction is not that different.
Originally posted by Jonwo: NCIS rules the roost as usual although the NCIS LA ratings are a concern but it will be interesting how it does without DWTS against it. Merry Madasgascar did alright but they really should have saved for Christmas, Melrose Place got a bump but the show is dead and I think if Life UneXpected does well then I can see Gossip Girl being moved to Tuesdays.
The Good Wife is pulling a solid audience with minimal decline in the second half hour, maybe its chances for a second season just got higher.
I think the marriage of NCIS LA to the original will prove to be a double edged sword. The show's early existence will have been secured, but LA appears more to more of an adjunct to the original, barely a spinoff. Compare this handling to the evolution of the L&O's and the CSI's. Debate the differences in the franchises as you will, but LA is shaping up as the overprotected first son. I have only seen 2 eps, but my guess is that it could have gotten this demo in any number of hours as it should slant a bit younger than the orig and doesn't need the viewer totals to reach the desired demo.
If TGW continues this performance I predict renewal given the holes the net has on Sunday and the need to possibly rejuvenate friday. They can do better than TGW in the 10pm slot, I'm sure. But a steady generic show like TGW can be of use in the future to CBS, even if its not the future the show itself would like.
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Originally posted by WlcmZapataTexas: I think ABC did. They did a huge launch platform for it. They tried to turn it into "Lost" as the can't miss TV show. In fact, I'd argue they did more for this show than Flash Forward, holding it back so that once other shows settled and the audience got bored, they would turn to V. And for the first week it worked. However, the audience isn't sticking around.
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Originally posted by Bruce: And whoever thought this was going to be more than a niche type of show anyway? Unless it turned into some major tv event like the early Lost, this was the range it was headed to.
I think ABC expected more, too, but putting it in the Tuesday at 8 timeslot was bonehead. They already canceled Hank. They should have put V in Wed. at 8 and moved The Middle post-DWTS/Bachelor 90 minute eps.
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Originally posted by A.C.: DS9 was not "Serialized". It had threads that ran through multiple episodes, but most of the episodes were stand alone episodes
Have you watched the last THREE seasons...especially the SEVENTH season? Anyone who has ever seen the show would NOT say it wasn't serialized.
I watched all but the 7th and last season, when it originally aired, (it was horrible by then). It is not serialized. It had more story arcs than the other ST series, but is not a serialized drama.
Those talking about how the new BSG succeeded by reimagining the original are kind of right, but maybe oversimplifying a bit--for one thing, the original was far MORE popular--just not enough to justify its huge budgets at a time when networks were accustomed to having most of the viewing audience to themselves.
BSG succeeded in capturing the imaginations of a tiny desirable audience, on a niche cable channel. It would have been a failure anywhere else, and it really wasn't a very sustained success--the ratings kept falling from the miniseries highs, and from season to season, to the point where the finale got truly disappointing #'s (and rightly so, because it was a truly disappointing finale).
You can draw a lot of curious people by remaking shows like this--but nobody's ever managed to make any of these remakes work for more than a season or two. Most of them fail much sooner--like V.
Originally posted by A.C.: DS9 was not "Serialized". It had threads that ran through multiple episodes, but most of the episodes were stand alone episodes
Have you watched the last THREE seasons...especially the SEVENTH season? Anyone who has ever seen the show would NOT say it wasn't serialized.
I watched all but the 7th and last season, when it originally aired, (it was horrible by then). It is not serialized. It had more story arcs than the other ST series, but is not a serialized drama.
Here is a run of episodes from SEASON SIX of a VERY serialized show
A Time to Stand (2) Stardate: Unknown
Several months after Deep Space Nine was handed over to the Dominion, the Federation is losing the war. Being relieved of command of the Defiant, Sisko is placed in command of the salvaged Jem'Hadar warship they discovered several months earlier, and must destroy the main Ketracel-White production facility in the Alpha Quadrant. The mission is a success, but it leaves the ship without warp engines and stranded 17 years from the nearest Federation Starbase.
Rocks and Shoals (3) Stardate: 51107.2
The damaged Jem'Hadar ship captained by Sisko crashes on a planet. Dax is seriously injured, but kept alive by Dr. Bashir. A group of Jem'Hadar who also crashed on the planet finds them, and takes them to their injured Vorta leader, who has a proposition for Sisko he may not be able to refuse.
Sons and Daughters (4) Stardate: Unknown Worf must help his son, Alexander, to learn the ways of a Klingon warrior, while on a ship patrolling for Dominion vessels. Meanwhile, Gul Dukat's daughter, Ziyal, comes back to the station from school on Bajor.
Behind the Lines (5) Stardate: 51149.5
Sisko is promoted, and Dax is placed in command of the Defiant. She must disable a Dominion sensor array that has been monitoring all traffic within five sectors. Meanwhile, on Deep Space Nine, now named Terok Nor, Kira must find a way of preventing the minefield from being destroyed. Odo's loyalties are questioned when he physically joins with the Founder Leader.
Favor the Bold (6) Stardate: Unknown.
Odo struggles with his choices between his friends and the Link. Sisko faces a suicide mission in order to reclaim Deep Space Nine. Rom is ordered to be executed. Kira and Damar come to blows over Ziyal and Gul Dukat.
Sacrifice of Angels (7) Stardate: Unknown
Sisko faces thousands of Dominion warships alone in an attempt to regain Deep Space Nine. Kira, Jake and Leeta are suspected of trying to stop the attempts at disabling the minefield and are held for questioning. Everything seems doomed and everyone makes ready for a final stand.
Originally posted by ThinkingOfYou: V won't get a second season. Not because of the current numbers, but it doesn't have a story that can last. Same for FlashForward. I'd say ABC are stalling until they can find an amazing show, with a premise that can last.
They made Lost last and the producers of Flashforward have said they have a 3 year plan for the show so I think a 2nd season could happen but ABC does need to find it's new 'Lost' because Flashforward and V are not it.
Also just something I was thinking about. I think no matter how well it does ABC will probably renew Scrubs. I was going through my Sky listings earlier seeing what was on and I noticed that Scrubs is syndicated on 3 different channels in the UK and considering the amount of countries scrubs airs in it makes sense from a syndication POV to keep that show going until they milk all they can out of it and with the format change this year they have a load of new stories to explore, it must make a lot of money (and now a load of the main cast has gone it's costing less money to produce). It was just something that passed my mind I thought I'd talk about lmao.
I never connect promotion to expectations, more to the fanciful hopes nets have when they take it into their heads that they have something that just "might" become the next event. It's as though a corporate brainwash sets in that something is going to be successful if they just wish it so. I'll bet that if the show goes out next week with a demo around 3 they'll exhale and sanely conclude that that was about what they had to begin with.
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Originally posted by WlcmZapataTexas: I think ABC did. They did a huge launch platform for it. They tried to turn it into "Lost" as the can't miss TV show. In fact, I'd argue they did more for this show than Flash Forward, holding it back so that once other shows settled and the audience got bored, they would turn to V. And for the first week it worked. However, the audience isn't sticking around.
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Originally posted by Bruce: And whoever thought this was going to be more than a niche type of show anyway? Unless it turned into some major tv event like the early Lost, this was the range it was headed to.
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