Originally posted by Drew: So it is a remake. There are plenty of remakes out there. How about all the CSI's spin offs. Those are the exact show different city. Movies have great success making remakes. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, War of the Worlds, are just to name a few. Remakes are everywhere. So now TV is making remakes, if it is done correctly, it will be a success. You can't hate it because it was a remake. I wasn't around when they first aired it in the 80's, or I was a baby. Different generations think its new to them.
Remakes don't work. KR will prove it once again
Battlestar Galactica says hi. So does Star Trek: TNG (which is closer to the mold that KR fits into, as a remake/continuation). Not that either of those series had to prove themselves, ratings-wise, on network TV, or that KR is anything close to them in terms of quality, but I think that KR has a wide-enough appeal that it will work. The HUGE international success of the original KR proves that the show's core concept has a certain kind of universal appeal. I thought the TV movie had potential. No, it wasn't genius storytelling, but it was fun, light entertainment with cool action and KITT doing awesome things--just like the original show. I look forward to bumping this thread next year when it gets renewed for a second season
Star Trek TNG is not a remake
Not stricly speaking, it was classified as a spinoff. However, arecode is right to make the comparison, because just as ST:TNG was the next generation of Star Trek, this Knight Rider version is clearly the next generation of the original. Did you watch the show -- that statement would be clear to anyone who watched it, but I don't want to spoil it for anyone who DVRed it and still plans to watch.
As far as my assessment of KR, I agree with many others: not ground-breaking dialogue or acting, but it doesn't need to be -- it's not pretending to be anything it's not, the plot could have easily been something from the original show, just with updated setting and KITT.
EMHE is pretty much the only noteworthy show in terms of ratings.
Clearly if Desperate Housewives moved time periods, Extreme Makeover: Home Edition would keep the night alive. Only 4ish million less than Desperate Housewives isn't bad at all.
I agree Justin. In fact, last week I proposed a new schedule for ABC's Sunday for next season that maximizes its ratings based on this analysis -- see below:
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Originally posted by Chimera: Here's my approach to B&S' problem, and to a smaller degree, DH:
Next Fall, ABC should go with several 2-hr EM:HE episodes from 8pm - 10pm through the November sweeps, combined with Oprah's Big Give. Then premiere a new show @ 1opm for a 13 week tryout (new Goldie Hawn project Leap perhaps?).
That should tide them over till January with no worse results than what we saw last night (ans potentially much better). Then in January, they can go with 5 months straight of Desperate Housewives and Brothers & Sisters @ 9pm and 10pm, with AFV and EM:HE at 7pm and 8pm as usual. The typical 24 episode order for DH and B&S would allow them to run pretty much uninterrupted from Jan - May, only taking a break on Oscar Sunday. This would solve a lot of problems for both of those shows, and allow them to build momentum throughout the season. Whatever small deficit they'll have with EM:HE pulling in around 16 million versus 18-20 million for DH in that 9pm timeslot, they'll make up in all those weeks of reruns they have today, and low-rated originals like last night when a show comes back from repeats. Frankly, I think this is a much better strategy than moving B&S altogether, because it has clearly shown to be dependent on DH (if a very solid EM:HE lead-in could not help it, I'm not sure if anything else could), but when it is coupled with DH, it performs very well. Best of both worlds: Leap gets a 13 week Fall tryout, mix of 2hr EM:HE and regular EM:HE/Oprah's Big Give holds the time period warm in the Fall, then BAM!, DH and B&S come back in January giving ABC strength just when it typically starts to faulter and AI-fueled FOX begins to pull away. This strategy, coupled with a Feb-May run of LOST and Spring DWTS edition would keep ABC very competitive next season.
Chimera, I know you love this novel idea of yours (and I do not totally disagree), but I think there is about a 1% chance would do something like this. This would mean having 2 of their top 3 shows (in the demo) off the air for the 1st half of the season. (Lost being the other). I could see them just airing 6 episodes of DH in the fall and saving the rest for January, but no way they pull it off completely in the fall.
EMHE is pretty much the only noteworthy show in terms of ratings.
Clearly if Desperate Housewives moved time periods, Extreme Makeover: Home Edition would keep the night alive. Only 4ish million less than Desperate Housewives isn't bad at all.
I agree Justin. In fact, last week I proposed a new schedule for ABC's Sunday for next season that maximizes its ratings based on this analysis -- see below:
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Originally posted by Chimera: Here's my approach to B&S' problem, and to a smaller degree, DH:
Next Fall, ABC should go with several 2-hr EM:HE episodes from 8pm - 10pm through the November sweeps, combined with Oprah's Big Give. Then premiere a new show @ 1opm for a 13 week tryout (new Goldie Hawn project Leap perhaps?).
That should tide them over till January with no worse results than what we saw last night (ans potentially much better). Then in January, they can go with 5 months straight of Desperate Housewives and Brothers & Sisters @ 9pm and 10pm, with AFV and EM:HE at 7pm and 8pm as usual. The typical 24 episode order for DH and B&S would allow them to run pretty much uninterrupted from Jan - May, only taking a break on Oscar Sunday. This would solve a lot of problems for both of those shows, and allow them to build momentum throughout the season. Whatever small deficit they'll have with EM:HE pulling in around 16 million versus 18-20 million for DH in that 9pm timeslot, they'll make up in all those weeks of reruns they have today, and low-rated originals like last night when a show comes back from repeats. Frankly, I think this is a much better strategy than moving B&S altogether, because it has clearly shown to be dependent on DH (if a very solid EM:HE lead-in could not help it, I'm not sure if anything else could), but when it is coupled with DH, it performs very well. Best of both worlds: Leap gets a 13 week Fall tryout, mix of 2hr EM:HE and regular EM:HE/Oprah's Big Give holds the time period warm in the Fall, then BAM!, DH and B&S come back in January giving ABC strength just when it typically starts to faulter and AI-fueled FOX begins to pull away. This strategy, coupled with a Feb-May run of LOST and Spring DWTS edition would keep ABC very competitive next season.
Chimera, I know you love this novel idea of yours (and I do not totally disagree), but I think there is about a 1% chance would do something like this. This would mean having 2 of their top 3 shows (in the demo) off the air for the 1st half of the season. (Lost being the other). I could see them just airing 6 episodes of DH in the fall and saving the rest for January, but no way they pull it off completely in the fall.
Fox has American Idol and 24 off in the Fall as well, and you'd have to say that it's working out pretty well for them. Presently ABC only shows 6-7 episodes in the Fall (late Sep through Nov sweeps), so what you're recommending is basically to stay with status quo. I know there is only about a 1% chance of them actually doing it, but that doesn't mean that it's not the right approach.
This is how NBC spinned (spun?) the KR results, though admittedly it doesn't require a lot of spinning -- very good result for them:
Last night from 9-11 p.m. ET, the made-for-television movie "Knight Rider" (5.0 rating, 12 share in adults 18-49, 12.7 million viewers overall) delivered the highest 18-49 rating for any made-for-television movie, multiple-part movie or theatrical film on any network since March 6, 2005 ("Their Eyes Were Watching God" on ABC). In total viewers, "Knight Rider" attracted NBC's biggest overall viewership in this time period, excluding sports, since the Emmy Awards on August 27, 2006.
"Knight Rider" raced to a first-place finish in its highly competitive time period in adults 18-49, adults 18-34, adults 25-54, total viewers and other measures, including all key adult-male demographics.
"Knight Rider" accelerated steadily over its two hours and in its final 10-11 p.m. hour beat the ABC-CBS competition of "Brothers & Sisters" and "Dexter" combined among adults 18-34 and all key adult male demos. In the final lap, the 10:30-11 p.m. lead-in to local news, "Knight Rider" clocked a winning margin of 74 percent in adults 25-54 (with a 5.9 rating to a 3.4 for ABC's second-place "Brothers & Sisters") and an 86 percent margin in adults 18-49 (5.2 vs. a 2.8 for "Brothers & Sisters").
NBC ranked #1 on Sunday night in adults 18-49, 18-34 and 25-54 and in all key adult-male demographics, pending updates. This marks NBC's first Sunday win in 18-49 without a significant boost from sports programming since the Emmy Awards telecast on August 27, 2006.
Originally posted by robert: What's the last remake of an US show that beacame a hit?
There really hasn't been to many until recently. I can barely think of only 4 or 5 before the BSG Remake. Battlestar Galactica has been a success.
In the early 80's they tried a remake of The Odd Couple with Ron Glass and Demond Wilson.
I think TV, in the past, has always broght back the old characters and actors from an older, successful show than try to completely remake a series with new actors. Its new territory for TV
Note: The fast affiliate results for Monday will be posted at PIFeedback by 12 p.m. ET. Go to the website, click on Ratings Box (the first category), then Last Night’s Results, and Monday, Feb. 18, 2008.
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-Yesterday’s Winners: Deal or No Deal (NBC), Two and a Half Men R (CBS), CSI: Miami R (CBS)
-Yesterday’s Losers: Welcome to the Captain (CBS), My Dad is Better Than Your Dad (NBC), Pussycat Dolls Present: Girlicious (CW), October Road (CW)
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-Ratings Breakdown: Dominant NBC was off and running on this holiday Monday, with Deal or No Deal at a 10.2 rating/16 share in the overnights from 8-9 p.m. That was, by far, the highest rated show of the evening. And, no, there is still no million dollar winner. But the series-premiere of lead-out My Dad is Better Than Your Dad sunk to a 5.0/ 7 from 9-10 p.m., holding only 44 percent of the 8:30 p.m. portion of Deal or No Deal (11.4/17). Did anyone actually bother to watch this abomination? Capping off the evening for NBC was an original installment of Medium at a 6.1/10 at 10 p.m.
In season-premiere news, the CW’s Pussycat Dolls Present: Girlicious was not necessarily delicious in the ratings with a distant last-place 1.6/ 2 from 9-10 p.m. Although that did manage to build by 45 percent out the second half of a repeat of Gossip Girl (1.1/ 2 at 8:30 p.m.), let’s be honest: for a season-premiere this is not positive. Chances are, however, that Pussycat Dolls Present: Girlicious will rate consider higher in an encore telecast out of the season-premiere of America’s Next Top Model tomorrow.
Overall, the Gossip Girl encore averaged a 1.2/ 2 from 8-9 p.m. Why the CW is intent on keeping this on Monday once it returns in originals is a mystery.
Over at CBS, week three of sitcom Welcome to the Captain dipped further, with a mere (and fourth-place) 3.7/ 5 in the overnights at 8:30 p.m. A repeat of lead-in How I Met Your Mother was tied for third at 8 p.m., with a 4.3/ 7. Also on CBS was a repeat of Two and a Half Men (#1: 7.9/12), which built by 114 percent out of Welcome to the Captain, The New Adventures of Old Christine (#2: 6.6/10) and a repeat of CSI: Miami (#1: 7.1/11) from 9-11 p.m. Walton spoting: Mary “Erin” McDonough on The New Adventures of Old Christine!
The two-hour season-finale of ABC time period warmer Dance War: Bruno vs. Carrie Ann scored an unimpressive 6.4/10 from 8-10 p.m. The most exciting element of last night’s show was hearing who would be competing on the next season of parent series Dancing with the Stars (see TV Tidbits below). Also on ABC was waiting-to-be axed drama October Road at a distant last-place 3.2/ 5 at 10 p.m.
Fox capped off the evening with the season-finale of Prison Break (#3: 4.4/ 7), which has no doubt lost the former water-cooler buzz, and renewal-worthy Termination: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (#4: 5.1/ 8). Comparably, Sarah Connor built from Prison Break by 16 percent in the overnights.
Originally posted by robert: What's the last remake of an US show that beacame a hit?
There really hasn't been to many until recently. I can barely think of only 4 or 5 before the BSG Remake. Battlestar Galactica has been a success.
In the early 80's they tried a remake of The Odd Couple with Ron Glass and Demond Wilson.
I think TV, in the past, has always broght back the old characters and actors from an older, successful show than try to completely remake a series with new actors. Its new territory for TV
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I think that a remake can work for TV just like it can work for movies. However, more often than not, the remake ends up as a pale reflection of the original (especially if you start with a good original).
There really hasn't been to many until recently. I can barely think of only 4 or 5 before the BSG Remake. Battlestar Galactica has been a success.
A critical success, certainly. And a ratings success, if you're talking about the miniseries, and the first season. But it wouldn't be ending this season if it had been a really solid success. Even though it's a GOOD thing they don't have to keep stringing us along for a few more years.
How about Jeopardy? Does anyone want to count Jeopardy?
Originally posted by Holly: However, more often than not, the remake ends up as a pale reflection of the original (especially if you start with a good original).
I heard Val Kilmer's voice when I read 'pale reflection of the original'.
For those who are keeping track, SCC had a 5.7 in the overnights last week.
It may still be renewal-worthy--barely--but if it slips just a little further, FOX would be crazy to keep it around, considering the cost, and the fact that it would be up against real competition next season. And I don't mean crazy like a fox. I mean just plumb crazy.
The only good thing about "My Dad", which couldn't even hold half of its DOND lead-in, was that it showed Medium has a built-in audience by increasing significantly from My Dad. Hopefully NBC will wise up and realize Medium is pulling a Law&Order this season and deserves to continue with its rejuvinated ratings.
