Originally posted by WlcmLAPD: I'd be surprised if ABC doesn't attempt a two hour comedy block on Wednesdays. They are doing too many comedy pilots with high profile actors not to establish one and Wednesdays is the logical place for it. As for SW, unless it takes into the mid 1 demos, I think it will be back. ABC needs an established comedy to help out the newly established block.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: SW will return next fall. ABC has a huge boat load of comedy pilots ordered too. I suspect a 2 hour comedy block somewhere.
But SW hasn't really established itself enough to lead off at 8 or 9pm. ABC didn't trust it enough to even put it at 8 and instead believed that it needed a cushion between a new show and Greys. I kinda like the show and think it has all the elements of being a good comedy, except it makes me smile more than actually laugh. It's not very funny. Plus, if all these ABC pilots have famous stars, you really shouldn't need SW to lure viewers in initially.
ABC won't need it to lead the hour. They aren't using it in that sense right now.
Yeah, that's my point. I would think that an established show wouldn't need the cushion that SW is getting now. Some shows like 30 rock and B&S for the most part depend on their lead-in, but do relatively well in that slot. SW doesn't really do that and with all these new comedy shows possibly debuting next year, there will be no need for a show like SW (esp. if it keeps these ratings) and especially if it is on an all new comedy block where it doesn't have a dependable lead-in. If all ABC needs next year is a show that doesn't lose too much of its lead-in, why use SW, when it has shown that it can't breakout and not give another show a chance.
After 22 Days of 2009 February Sweep (in March), FOX Winning Most A18-49s While CBS Triumphing in Viewership & Households Measures
After 22 days of the 2009 February Sweep (in March), FOX remains the popular choice for the young adult demo, attracting the most A18-49s with 3.90, with CBS in second place at 3.05, ABC sits in third with 2.66, while NBC lags behind in fourth with 2.16. At the bottom are the mini-nets starting with Univision at 1.59, The CW at 0.78, and MyNetworkTV at 0.55.
In households, CBS leads, followed by FOX moving into second, ABC third, NBC fourth and then the mininets. In average P2+ viewers, CBS retains bragging rights as most viewed with a 11,404,000 viewer average, with FOX second, ABC is third and NBC fourth. Univision is fifth, The CW is sixth, and MyNetworkTV is in seventh.
Last nights 7-net A18-49 total of 21.0 was the highest so far in the February Sweep (in March), surpassing the 20.3 recorded on Tuesday March 10th.
CBS, ABC and MyNetworkTV are all showing growth in all key measures of A18-49 demo, households and viewers from last years February Sweep (Univision is up in viewers and households). FOX is down by double digits on all measures, but that is due to the 'Super Bowl' being included in FOX's February Sweep numbers last year.
Overall for the seven networks, after 18 nights A18-49 demo is down -14% from the 'Super Bowl'-inflated Sweep last year, households are down -5% and P2+ viewers are down -8%.
demo demo demo % won won
Rank web 2009 2008 chg 2009 2008
1 FOX 3.90 6.82 -43% 9 13.5
2 CBS 3.05 2.30 32% 7 1
3 ABC 2.66 2.45 8% 5 3
4 NBC 2.16 2.57 -16% 1 4.5
5 UNI 1.59 1.61 -1%
6 CW 0.78 0.90 -13%
7 MNT 0.55 0.47 16%
total 14.69 17.12 -14% 22 22
nights nights
HH HH HH HH won won
rank web 2009 2008 chg 2009 2008
1 CBS 7.1 5.4 32% 12 3.3
2 FOX 6.2 9.6 -35% 6 11.3
3 ABC 5.7 4.6 23% 4 3
4 NBC 3.9 4.9 -22% 4.3
5 UNI 2.0 1.8 10%
6 CW 1.3 1.5 -18%
7 MNT 1.1 0.8 32%
total 27.1 28.7 -5% 22 22
nights nights
viewers viewers viewers viewers won won
rank web 2009 2008 chg 2009 2008
1 CBS 11.404 8.300 37% 11 3
2 FOX 10.589 17.684 -40% 7 12
3 ABC 8.790 7.294 20% 4 3
4 NBC 5.995 7.769 -23% 4
5 UNI 3.864 3.683 5%
6 CW 1.881 2.334 -19%
7 MNT 1.687 1.222 38%
total 44.21 48.29 -8% 22 22
The data for this and last year are all final Nielsen numbers, except for the last two nights which are preliminary data (the last 11 nights for Univision are preliminary data). This year, the February Sweep is being held in March due to the DTV changeover, whereas last years February Sweep included the 'Super Bowl' but was also held during the WGA strike which curtailed original product across some of the networks. Comparison of year-over-year Sweep numbers must be viewed within this context. All Sweep calculations incorporate Nielsen final numbers for primetime programming, Monday to Saturday 8-11 pm, and Sunday 7-11 pm. For daytime over-runs into primetime and primetime run-pasts into latenight (e.g. sports coverage, award shows), only the primetime portion of the program numbers have been factored in. For networks that split programs into multiple segments of sustaining and non-sustaining coverage, the rating for the sustaining portion applies to the entire program broadcast. Sustaining coverage of news events (e.g. President Obama's press conference) have not been included in network averages.
A day after premiering the single-camera comedy "In the Motherhood," ABC has cut its episode order by half.
Based on the Web series of the same name, the series chronicles the lives of three mothers, played by Cheryl Hines, Megan Mullaly and Jessica St. Clair, (pictured) in different stages of parenting, using ideas and stories generated from real-life mothers.
The show had the unfortunate timing of launching against "American Idol," which aired on Wednesday and Thursday this week because of President Obama's Tuesday night press conference. As a result, it was slaughtered by "Idol" on Fox and NCAA Basketball on CBS.
ABC Entertainment Group President Steve McPherson ordered the show straight to series after the writer's strike, asking executive producers Ali Rushfield and Jenni Konner to develop 13 episodes. Today, according to sources, McPherson cut the order to seven.
Originally posted by WlcmLAPD: I'd be surprised if ABC doesn't attempt a two hour comedy block on Wednesdays. They are doing too many comedy pilots with high profile actors not to establish one and Wednesdays is the logical place for it. As for SW, unless it takes into the mid 1 demos, I think it will be back. ABC needs an established comedy to help out the newly established block.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: SW will return next fall. ABC has a huge boat load of comedy pilots ordered too. I suspect a 2 hour comedy block somewhere.
But SW hasn't really established itself enough to lead off at 8 or 9pm. ABC didn't trust it enough to even put it at 8 and instead believed that it needed a cushion between a new show and Greys. I kinda like the show and think it has all the elements of being a good comedy, except it makes me smile more than actually laugh. It's not very funny. Plus, if all these ABC pilots have famous stars, you really shouldn't need SW to lure viewers in initially.
ABC won't need it to lead the hour. They aren't using it in that sense right now.
Yeah, that's my point. I would think that an established show wouldn't need the cushion that SW is getting now. Some shows like 30 rock and B&S for the most part depend on their lead-in, but do relatively well in that slot. SW doesn't really do that and with all these new comedy shows possibly debuting next year, there will be no need for a show like SW (esp. if it keeps these ratings) and especially if it is on an all new comedy block where it doesn't have a dependable lead-in. If all ABC needs next year is a show that doesn't lose too much of its lead-in, why use SW, when it has shown that it can't breakout and not give another show a chance.
But the likelihood of ABC having 4 solid looking new comedies for a comedy block is very very slim given their recent comedies launched. SW will still likely fall into a minor time period role (an 8:30 or 9:30 time slot). Plus, SW now has about a season and a half's worth of episodes under its belt. I think ABC is already smelling syndication money.
Originally posted by TravisYanan: Supernatural - 3.130 million viewers - 2.1/3 HH - 1.2/3 A18-49 - 1.1/3 A18-34
Are the demos for this really any better than Reaper despite a half million more viewers? Not to cite a war because Supernatural is already returning but if Reaper can about pull those numbers against Idol shouldn't that count for something?
Really? Cause I remember Reaper doing about 2 million viewers against Idol. And a 0.8 demo. That's the numbers SPN does in repeats. If SPN has a lower week, the Reaper fans get all eager to compare that number to Reapers higher number of the season. It's hilarious really.
All the Reaper promotion in this forum is really annoying. I hope it's cancelled just so that I don't have to see delusional posts about the show anymore.
Veronica Mars fans look sane compared to Reaper fans!
Honestly, Supernatural fans are quite delusional. Its pretty bad when a show drops from its 1.6 demo lead in to a 1.2 demo. Really at this point I think Supernatural can't grow while its possible Reaper can still grow.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Supernatural done nothing BUT grow from last season this year? Much like how Gossip Girl and One Tree Hill have grown from last season? How is Reaper doing in comparison to last year? Even without facing Idol this week, Reaper's numbers seemed too weak to reflect growth.
I don't think the CW needs to bring Reaper back. Their drama pilot development slate actually looks rather interesting.
I agree. I actually think that Vampire drama could do well for the CW with the Twilight audience, which is the CW's aim - young women.
And Reaper fans calling SPN fans delusional are hilarious! With all the Reaper crazy talk and promotion and defending that goes in here! Supernatural has grown this season. Smallville and Reaper both declined. I don't care though, Supernatural is going to have its five seasons, so just like Lost fans, I don't need to worry about the ratings. Now the same can't be said for Reaper fans, can it?
how can you expect growth for sophomore show that has been out of sight for 9 months, and brought back with little fanfare against the #1 show in the country, i say Reaper did as well as expected, and deserves kudos
Yep. No one says Reaper's ratings are excellent by any means. Trust me, its still a ways off from getting renewed and will need at least 3 or 4 more airings like last night to be in contention in my opinion. That said, it had some nice growth this week away from the Idol monster. One would think the show could possibly pull decent numbers if placed in a decent time slot. Tuesdays at 8pm are one of the toughest on TV. You not only have Idol (America's number 1 show) but also NCIS (CBS's highest rated drama among total viewers many weeks), and the Biggest Loser (NBC's number one show demographically). ABC hasn't had success in years in this slot, even at 8pm due to the monster competition. 90210, the CW's precious newcomer, did so poorly they had to move it.
By LYNN ELBER The Associated Press Saturday, March 28, 2009; 8:24 AM
LOS ANGELES -- Katherine Heigl said Friday she's ready to stay with "Grey's Anatomy" and the decision rests with the show.
Attending a studio party to mark the ABC medical drama's 100th episode, Heigl said it's premature to think her days as Dr. Izzie Stevens are numbered.
"I was assuming that at one point and I got a lot of shrugged shoulders and shakes of the head, so I don't know if that's a yes or a no. No one will tell me and I don't know how this is going to go," Heigl said, noting series creator Shonda Rhimes' passion for plot secrecy.
"I don't know if I live or die. I don't know how Izzie fares," said the actress, who's played the character since the show debuted in 2005.
"I'm there" if Izzie remains part of "Grey's Anatomy," Heigl said. She called the set "one of my favorite places to be" and said her colleagues are also friends.
She and fellow cast members, including Ellen Pompeo (Dr. Meredith Grey) and Patrick Dempsey (Dr. Derek Shepherd), were on hand for the celebration that included a cake decorated with scalpels and syringes made out of icing.
Rhimes, who's also an executive producer for the show, called the milestone a "huge accomplishment" and thanked the cast and crew for their efforts.
In an interview, she dropped a tantalizing clue about the episode airing May 7.
"The only thing I'll tell you about the 100th is that it takes place on Meredith and Derek's wedding day," Rhimes said. "That's big ... and that's all I'm going to say."
On Thursday's episode, Izzie was seen surviving brain surgery. There's been speculation that Heigl wants to pursue her blossoming film career ("Knocked Up," the upcoming "The Ugly Truth") full-time, and that her character might be killed off.
Rhimes declined comment on what would happen to Heigl's character.
Last month, fellow cast member James Pickens Jr. said Heigl was leaving the show, along with T.R. Knight, both of whom declined comment at the time. Knight missed the studio party because he'd previously scheduled the day off, an ABC spokeswoman said.
On Friday, Heigl said she's comfortable balancing movies and TV by working on big-screen projects during the summer hiatus for "Grey's Anatomy."
"I'm more than happy to make that compromise. As my agent likes to say, 'High-class problems,'" Heigl said.
"I don't know if I want to continue for five years working 12 months a year, but I can take at least another year or two," she said.
Dempsey said he intends to fulfill the remaining two years on his contract with "Grey's Anatomy and "then we'll see what happens after that."
Originally posted by Zedman2: A day after premiering the single-camera comedy "In the Motherhood," ABC has cut its episode order by half.
No play on words about this comedy being 'still born'?
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The show had the unfortunate timing of launching against "American Idol,"
I don't really think that was much of an issue. Sure, idol sucks away lots of female eyeballs, but CBS was airing NCAA basketball rather than Survivor. Overall, I think that Bones/Survivor would be about as much competition for In The Motherhood's target audience as American Idol.
Originally posted by Zedman2: Last month, fellow cast member James Pickens Jr. said Heigl was leaving the show, along with T.R. Knight, both of whom declined comment at the time.
The best way to survive cancer is to have it cut out as early as possible. When Grey's Anatomy discovered the cancerousness of Knight and Heigl, they should have been immediately cut from the cast.
Originally posted by Zedman2: ABC Entertainment Group President Steve McPherson ordered the show straight to series after the writer's strike, asking executive producers Ali Rushfield and Jenni Konner to develop 13 episodes. Today, according to sources, McPherson cut the order to seven.
I didn't even know 13 were ordered; it certainly wasn't scheduled that way, as Betty was slated to return. I guess they were willing to go forward with the comedies into May if they did well enough, but they decided these results didn't warrant changing the initial plan. I also wonder if the DHD story (edit: oops, I think it was a New York Times story) about the show no longer being able to take stories from "real mothers" has something to do with it.
I didn't like the show, but I do think next week's drop will be minimal if anything. Survivor/Bones are not in the same league as Idol/basketball, and the show's only sitcom competition last week will also be out of the slot. (Not sure what to expect from the ER retrospective, though.)
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SOUTHLAND/ER/PRIVATE PRACTICE - I originally thought SOUTHLAND would have difficulty inheriting the ER audience. I figured the ER aud would see "cop" and not "Wells" when they thought of SOUTHLAND.
I have since reconsidered I think anybody who has been able to hang with ER through the massive changes in personnel over these many years will not so quickly let go, and while the premise and content of SOUTHLAND may not be riveting, there is nothing about it that is off putting. So they will sample it, in the perhaps vain hope that something new, of any kind, can keep the 10pm thurs flame burning.
There will be only a tiny crossover to PP. I personally think PP is a decent show. But I wonder to the extent it is really registering as a medical drama, probably more like a relationship soap. The medical content in PP is good. But I don't think that creates the show's image. Further, while ER was a groundbreaking drama when it premiered, it really has a fairly traditional feel to it with a certain amount of wholesomeness, as opposed to the glib, overtly contemporary feel that the ABC shows try to project.
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Originally posted by Obveeus: The NCAA tournament is going 1 for 4 in terms of close games tonight. This can't be good for ratings.
Only being a Big 10 fan kept me going in the late section, as Michigan State and Kansas dueled well into the nite, in a game frankly that did not feature teams who were expected to truly contend for the national title.
The expected blowout by UNC of GONZAGA materialized in the late section, and yes, it will be interesting to see the ratings for the evening.
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Do I hate GREY'S ANATOMY? - of course not, but I didn't want to like it. I didn't care for Ellen Pompeo nor Sandra Oh, but....
When is it on its game, it is a very good show. And I actually think Pompeo is terrific and has carved out a fabulous character.
I judge shows that I'm not wild about by the standard of 'how consistently good are they at what they are trying to do?' By that standard, the best of this recent group of ABC light/serious, relationship yarns by far is DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES.
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Originally posted by Obveeus: Overall, I think that Bones/Survivor would be about as much competition for In The Motherhood's target audience as American Idol.
Originally posted by Bruce: The expected blowout by UNC of GONZAGA materialized in the late section, and yes, it will be interesting to see the ratings for the evening.
I found the game very enjoyable. Ratings should be huge!
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Originally posted by WlcmLAPD: MOT has been stated as coming back. It'll probably debut later in the summer. I don't know about SM.
As for Mental, Fridays at 9 PM worked for Flashpoint so maybe they thought it would work for Mental. Since I haven't seen the pilot, I don't know the final result. FOX had said that they were planning on putting more scripted series in the summer so this placement doesn't surprise me, especially if it's supposed to be a limited 13 episode series.
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Originally posted by Julie:
But Fridays in the summer? Didn't FOX learn from Swingtown last summer?
The smart thing to do would have been to air it with House repeats during the summer. Airing it with Lyrics Fridays at 9pm really won't get it anywhere. Seems like a burnoff show to me.
What about shows like Moment of Truth and Secret Millionaire? I thought those were coming back in the summer.
Seems like Moment of Truth is set to premiere its second season on FOX August 28th, according to their website, so I'm guessing it'll be part of their fall schedule.
Cause I remember Reaper doing about 2 million viewers against Idol. And a 0.8 demo. That's the numbers SPN does in repeats. If SPN has a lower week, the Reaper fans get all eager to compare that number to Reapers higher number of the season. It's hilarious really.
