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Cheaper programs are the next model. However, the biggest change will be a new distribution model for shows altogether. Scheduled, ad-supported networks are archaic. Time and technology has passed them by. Cable tv started downward slide, VCRs hastened and the internet and DVRs are hammering in the final nails in the coffin.

Like most empires, the networks will take their own sweet time about falling.

And when they do fall, a lot of people get crushed.

Kind of tough to compare the two. The expectations are a lot different for the 2 nights.. Plus CSI: NY is trending Upward (about 1 million viewers of the 4 airings).
WAT is trending down (Cant figure out why).

CSI:NY may even beat WAT this week, desipt the bigger lead in for WAT.

WAT is NOT "doing much better than CSI NY"

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WAT is doing much better than CSI NY

week 1	Thursday      9/27/2007     WITHOUT A TRACE   16,680     4.7 
week 2	Thursday      10/4/2007     WITHOUT A TRACE   14,200     3.7 
week 3	Thursday     10/11/2007     Without A Trace   13,620     3.6 

week 1	Wednesday     9/26/2007     CSI: NY           12,720     3.7 
week 2	Wednesday     10/1/2007     CSI: NY           12,690     3.9 
week 3	Wednesday    10/10/2007     CSI: NY           13,430     4.1
week 4	Wednesday    10/17/2007     CSI: NY           13,860     4.1  
  

PD was pretty damned good last night. After last week I was pretty "meh" on the show, but watched it because the BF loves it. This week I got right back into it. Glad to see the ratings drop was stemmed (4% week-over-week isn't a drop, it's a margin of error, before pisher jumps all over that one, the troll that he is).

Why are people so worried about DSM? It's doing quite fine in that timeslot, in fact, better than The Nine last season, which had a much bigger lead-in. Before people start panicking about what ABC's going to ditch, remember that 1) There's quite possibly a writer's strike coming up, and 2) It's going to have a few holes to fill once DWTS goes on hiatus. Given that, I think that DSM is safe for a full season.

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It was the data I had handy, plus it can give perspective in anticipation of todays Finals. What does a show need to, or not need to do, ratings wise.

Sort of like last week is the bar set for this weeks numbers

I agree that it makes for a good foreshadowing in anticipation of the finals. However, I think comparing Fast Nationals with Fast Nationals AND Finals with Finals gives a better comparison between weeks - especially when shows are having time overruns.

As for setting the bar, I think you set it where DSM has little chance of clearling it.

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To me, NBC is just nutty for pulling the Wednesday Deal or No Deal for the next few weeks. It's just getting its audience back. Couldn't they use Phenomenon on Monday, Tuesday, later Wednesday, or on Friday?

I don't get it either. DOND has been on a roll to start the season.

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All those who are waiting an announcment that OTH will return sooner will be disapponted. Ostroff not only is incompetent (the numbers are a proof) but she is extremely stubborn. Giving space to OTH after Top Model is like admiting defeat for her. She won't do it

It doesn't make sense to start OTH until they can keep it going without interruption. At this point, starting it with the next cycle of ANTM (if that is where they want to put it) makes much more sense than starting it now. In my opinion, they may want to hold off and use One tree Hill as the lead-in for Tuesday rather than expecting the next season of B&tG to live up to that lead-in role.

IF GG continues to remain at abysmal levals they should air OTH on Wed. I doubt they'll do

that

No! I don't want OTH at 9. That's suicide when Lost and AI come back, well if Lost is put in that time slot. That would absolutely kill OTH.

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I doubt that OTH has a chance at a 6th season. So it really doesn't matter anyway
I don't think a OTH/Reaper pairing would work

I agree this will be the last season, question will be if they even get the full season or will it get reduced to 13 (which I see happening) I think they should put it on Sunday leading into GG. Can their Sunday night get any worse? Have OTH/GG/ANTM encore.

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That means that Bionic Woman (probably) has the same demo rating as Chuck this week.

Oh, how the mighty (or should I say 'crappy') have fallen...

Bionic Woman is fading fast, and losing the DOND lead-in the next few weeks will not help matters (even if it doesn't hurt that much).

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PD was pretty damned good last night. After last week I was pretty "meh" on the show, but watched it because the BF loves it. This week I got right back into it. Glad to see the ratings drop was stemmed (4% week-over-week isn't a drop, it's a margin of error, before pisher jumps all over that one, the troll that he is).

Given the margin of error works both ways, the show could have dropped MORE than that. Even I know about the plus or minus thingy, troll that I am.

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CSI:NY may even beat WAT this week, desipt the bigger lead in for WAT.

No WAT this week, but I'd say CSI:NY has a decent shot at beating the show that is airing in WAT's timeslot this week.

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Originally posted by robert:
All those who are waiting an announcment that OTH will return sooner will be disapponted. Ostroff not only is incompetent (the numbers are a proof) but she is extremely stubborn. Giving space to OTH after Top Model is like admiting defeat for her. She won't do it

It doesn't make sense to start OTH until they can keep it going without interruption. At this point, starting it with the next cycle of ANTM (if that is where they want to put it) makes much more sense than starting it now. In my opinion, they may want to hold off and use One tree Hill as the lead-in for Tuesday rather than expecting the next season of B&tG to live up to that lead-in role.

IF GG continues to remain at abysmal levals they should air OTH on Wed. I doubt they'll do

that

Considering they've already given Gossip Girl the back 9, I think they will be patient. Of course patiently waiting for something that will never happen is just wasting time.

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Originally posted by robert:
All those who are waiting an announcment that OTH will return sooner will be disapponted. Ostroff not only is incompetent (the numbers are a proof) but she is extremely stubborn. Giving space to OTH after Top Model is like admiting defeat for her. She won't do it

It doesn't make sense to start OTH until they can keep it going without interruption. At this point, starting it with the next cycle of ANTM (if that is where they want to put it) makes much more sense than starting it now. In my opinion, they may want to hold off and use One tree Hill as the lead-in for Tuesday rather than expecting the next season of B&tG to live up to that lead-in role.

IF GG continues to remain at abysmal levals they should air OTH on Wed. I doubt they'll do

that

No! I don't want OTH at 9. That's suicide when Lost and AI come back, well if Lost is put in that time slot. That would absolutely kill OTH.

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I doubt that OTH has a chance at a 6th season. So it really doesn't matter anyway
I don't think a OTH/Reaper pairing would work

I agree this will be the last season, question will be if they even get the full season or will it get reduced to 13 (which I see happening) I think they should put it on Sunday leading into GG. Can their Sunday night get any worse? Have OTH/GG/ANTM encore.

sorry, don't know what I was thinking they don't do 10:00 shows: ANTM at 7 OTH at 8 and GG at 9?

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Wow, haha. I'm sorry but that was a pretty lame response.

I tailor the response to the person I'm responding to.

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I think only two shows that I watch are not quality, Smallville and Bigshots.

So you would consider One Tree Hill to be a quality show? I'm just trying to comprehend what on earth you think the word 'quality' means here.

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I just watch Big shots because of Michael Vartan

You have a crush. Okay. That's an acceptable reason. Even though Vartan's forehead is huge. And Alias sucked for most of its run.

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from Alias and Smallville because I'm a Superman fan and the show used to be good at some point, even if it was very brief.

Maybe not as brief as your attention span.

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But of course you have only found probably two shows in the history of mankind to be quality so I know you'll disagree with me.

I'll definitely disagree that one of the two is OTH.

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I have the same eye condition too Pish, you're not alone.

If I was trying to have an intelligent discussion here, I would be.

It's okay, your opinion has equal value to horse **** so I'm not bothered.

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CSI:NY may even beat WAT this week, desipt the bigger lead in for WAT.

No WAT this week, but I'd say CSI:NY has a decent shot at beating the show that is airing in WAT's timeslot this week.

I do think VL will get a nice initial sampling, of course there will probably be a substantial half-four drop.

Duh, I forgot.

Or perhaps I was just trying to block out its replacement for the week.

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CSI:NY may even beat WAT this week, desipt the bigger lead in for WAT.

No WAT this week, but I'd say CSI:NY has a decent shot at beating the show that is airing in WAT's timeslot this week.

Minimum of a 40% drop in the first half hour for VL.

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CSI:NY may even beat WAT this week, desipt the bigger lead in for WAT.

No WAT this week, but I'd say CSI:NY has a decent shot at beating the show that is airing in WAT's timeslot this week.

I do think VL will get a nice initial sampling, of course there will probably be a substantial half-four drop.