Originally posted by Robinson Network: The Incredibles seems like it did better than most of NBC's regular Thursday night... I just thoguht maybe they need to put movies on Thursday night intead of the Crap-o-roma they have on Thursdays...
I miss the yearly airing of the original Home Alone on NBC. They had a nice tradition going there for a few years, but just gave up on it.
Why not an original made for TV Home Alone type of movie? That could bring good numbers. I don't understand why the networks have pretty much gave up on producing made for TV movies.
The last thing we need is ANOTHER bad Home Alone Movie. 3 & 4 were horrible and did horrible.
TV movies were given up because of inconsitant ratings. Some did well, while others didn't. Plus, I would suspect, costs may have played a part in its demise.
BIG time OUCH at October Road. Who's bright idea was it to air the season premiere last night? Or should I say... Sneak preview.
This show is the next What About Brian.
Interesting that Grey's was only a half million behind CSI(and CSI fell at the half while Grey's grew). Looks like CSI in particular was just as affected by the holiday as ABC was(and in contrast to Wednesday).
I thought The Incredibles would do better considering the holiday and the family theme to it.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: Isn't the first 2 or 3 episodes (of this season) held over from last years ordered/produced episodes?
Nope. They ordered six last year and were only going to air four, but then when it did better than expected they pulled Notes from the Underbelly and aired the last two. So these were all produced this season.
Originally posted by Robinson Network: The Incredibles seems like it did better than most of NBC's regular Thursday night... I just thoguht maybe they need to put movies on Thursday night intead of the Crap-o-roma they have on Thursdays...
I miss the yearly airing of the original Home Alone on NBC. They had a nice tradition going there for a few years, but just gave up on it.
Why not an original made for TV Home Alone type of movie? That could bring good numbers. I don't understand why the networks have pretty much gave up on producing made for TV movies.
The last thing we need is ANOTHER bad Home Alone Movie. 3 & 4 were horrible and did horrible.
Home Alone 3 was OK(though much worse than 1 and 2) but Home Alone 4 sucked. I watch 1 and 2 every year still today, 3 when I feel like it, but avoid 4 like the plague.
Originally posted by spotupj: Betty's numbers should make the Pushing Daisies fanatics feel a little better about Wednesday's tumble.
Grey's did a lot better than I was expecting... based on the Wed. numbers, I thought CSI would slaughter it in viewers and likely eke out the demo. I'm pretty shocked that viewers were that close.
As bad as the OR numbers look, it's still around 45% retention in demo. Which, sadly, is not bad as Grey's lead-outs go, though it is out of a diminished Grey's. Half-hour drop is humongous, obviously. I don't know how much better you can expect with a Thanksgiving season premiere of a show that had only six weeks late last season and was never rerun, especially when it's dubiously promoted as a "sneak preview." OR just hasn't had time to become the kind of show people will give up Thanksgiving for.
Will be interesting to see what happens with SW, Notes, and OR on Monday. That night could really be a bomb.
Hold onto your hats..ABC is about to go into an unprecedented nosedive.
---the loss of Dancing on Monday and Tuesday for several months..replaced by the questionable Monday lineup of SW, Underbelly and OR; and CMafia on Tuesday.
---The continued erosion of Wednesday -- particularly at 8 and 10 ---The emergence of CBS on Wednesday and Friday ---American Idol returning with a vengeance Tuesday and Wednesday ---with the exception of LOST (only 8 episodes because of strike .. if they even air) very little bench strength fo ABC to counteract the above.
As I said, real problems for ABC and Mr. McPherson. They're looking at 3rd place in the demo for sure.
Originally posted by Brent88: BIG time OUCH at October Road. Who's bright idea was it to air the season premiere last night? Or should I say... Sneak preview. *rolls eyes*
This show is the next What About Brian.
Interesting that Grey's was only a half million behind CSI(and CSI fell at the half while Grey's grew). Looks like CSI in particular was just as affected by the holiday as ABC was(and in contrast to Wednesday).
I thought The Incredibles would do better considering the holiday and the family theme to it.
The CSI Episode wasn't bad, but wasn't great either. It was "filler". I think they tried to capture last season's Lab Tech episodes with another, but Just Missed with this one. It had its funny moments though.
ABC Holds Lead Over CBS in A18-49 After 22 Days of the 2007 November Sweep
With only six days remaining in the November Sweep, ABC continues to hold a 0.2 lead over CBS in the young adult demo with a first place 3.6 A18-49 average. CBS is second with an average 3.4 in A18-49, while NBC and FOX are tied in fourth place with a 3.1 averages in A18-49. The CW is in fifth with a 1.1 in A18-49 with MyNetworkTV bringing up the rear with its 0.4 in A18-49.
In households and viewership, CBS has a comfortable lead over ABC with NBC in third, FOX fourth, The CW trailing in fifth and MyNetworkTV bringing up the rear in sixth.
On a year-over-year basis, FOX and MyNetworkTV are the only networks consistently showing year-over-year improvement from the first day of the Sweep. The other four networks are mostly down in that 15% territory which is being widely blamed on time-shifted viewing. The most concerning year-over-year declines are being experienced by NBC and The CW, which are both losing about a fifth to a quarter of their demo, households and viewers from last November.
nights nights
demo demo demo % won won
Rank web 2007 2006 chg 2007 2006
1 ABC 3.59 4.11 -13% 7 11
2 CBS 3.39 3.85 -12% 8 6
3 NBC 3.13 3.79 -17% 2 5
3 FOX 3.06 2.76 11% 6 1
5 CW 1.10 1.42 -23%
6 MNT 0.42 0.33 25%
total 14.69 16.27 -10% 23 23
nights nights
HH HH HH HH won won
rank web 2007 2006 chg 2007 2006
1 CBS 7.7 8.4 -8% 14 15
2 ABC 7.3 7.5 -4% 5 6
3 NBC 5.2 6.7 -22% 1 2
4 FOX 4.8 4.3 11% 2
5 CW 1.8 2.2 -20%
6 MNT 0.7 0.6 15%
total 27.4 29.8 -8% 22 23
nights nights
viewers viewers viewers viewers won won
rank web 2007 2006 chg 2007 2006
1 CBS 12.078 13.096 -8% 13 13
2 ABC 11.133 11.714 -5% 7 7
3 NBC 8.287 10.425 -21% 2
4 FOX 7.770 6.783 15% 2
5 CW 2.721 3.453 -21%
6 MNT 1.030 0.831 24%
total 43.02 46.30 -7% 22 22
MyNetworkTV numbers are for the first 20 nights only.
Data for first 20 nights are final Nielsen Media numbers as provided by TravisYanan and pavanbadal. Data for last two nights are the FAST national numbers provided by Marc Berman.
Originally posted by Brent470: Ok, Marc, its time someone said this to you. You need to STOP EXPRESSING YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT SHOWS PEOPLE FAVOR. I bet you don't even watch half of the shows you say bad things about. First of all, the insult to October Road was uncalled for. I like October road and nobody cares about your opinions. You know people spend time with their families on Thanksgiving and they barely watch TV. You always think TV is everything. Did you spend time with your family on Thanksgiving?
C'mon -- this is a ratings forum. OR got lousy ratings. It's probably ABC's fault for airing it on Thanksgiving, but it's numbers just weren't good. And Marc gets paid to express his opinions, whether you agree with them or not.
Originally posted by Brent470: Ok, Marc, its time someone said this to you. You need to STOP EXPRESSING YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT SHOWS PEOPLE FAVOR. I bet you don't even watch half of the shows you say bad things about. First of all, the insult to October Road was uncalled for. I like October road and nobody cares about your opinions. You know people spend time with their families on Thanksgiving and they barely watch TV. You always think TV is everything. Did you spend time with your family on Thanksgiving?
What are you talking about? Marc didn't "insult" October Road in any way; he just mentioned it had a terrible return (in other words: the ratings sucked compared to last year's, which is true). And it IS Marc's job to comment on ratings.
Originally posted by Brent470: Ok, Marc, its time someone said this to you. You need to STOP EXPRESSING YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT SHOWS PEOPLE FAVOR. I bet you don't even watch half of the shows you say bad things about. First of all, the insult to October Road was uncalled for. I like October road and nobody cares about your opinions. You know people spend time with their families on Thanksgiving and they barely watch TV. You always think TV is everything. Did you spend time with your family on Thanksgiving?
Uh, Commenting and reporting on TV is Marc's JOB. He Gets paid for this.
What exactly did you expect from this forum, about TV and Ratings????
BTW how is "It was a terrible return, in particular, for October Road." insulting????
Originally posted by Robinson Network: The Incredibles seems like it did better than most of NBC's regular Thursday night... I just thoguht maybe they need to put movies on Thursday night intead of the Crap-o-roma they have on Thursdays...
I miss the yearly airing of the original Home Alone on NBC. They had a nice tradition going there for a few years, but just gave up on it.
Why not an original made for TV Home Alone type of movie? That could bring good numbers. I don't understand why the networks have pretty much gave up on producing made for TV movies.
The last thing we need is ANOTHER bad Home Alone Movie. 3 & 4 were horrible and did horrible.
TV movies were given up because of inconsitant ratings. Some did well, while others didn't. Plus, I would suspect, costs may have played a part in its demise.
I'm clearly in the minority but i liked even the 4th HA movie. But i wasn't talking about a HA 5 made for TV movie I was talking about a family comedy movie. With a funny story and some decent names in the cast the nets could get decent numbers. If Shrek does really well i bet we'll see some new cartoon specials in the future.
