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Originally posted by Drew:
The SB used to be in the last week of January, and the first Feb SB was in 2002, but in 2003, in was Jan. 26, but after that the last 5 have been in February. So I wonder if they asked to push it back into Feb so it would be included into the sweeps period.
I think the move to a Feb. Superbowl had more to do with the NFL breaking each conference into 4 divisions, rather than 3 (and adding the bye week so that each team had some mid-season rest). It may have benefitted TV, but it was not done for TV. Just like adding extra playoff teams in football or baseball, it is done to make the league/teams money, not to benefit TV.


Yeah, right.

Just like the Academy's justification for moving the Oscar Awards to the last Sunday in February was a response to the proliferation of award shows and an effort to tighten up the period between nominations announced and awards given.

It really had nothing to do with helping out longtime broadcaster ABC with their February Sweep numbers.


If I were ABC, I'd be fighting for that Thur.-Sat. night package later in the season that's being wasted on the NFL network, that about 40% of the country can get.





 
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Originally posted by Marc Berman:
Both these shows are goners.
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Originally posted by Dawn:
Travis or Marc is it possible to get the breakdown at 10:30 for Eli Stone and Lipstick Jungle? Thanks.

From the finals:

Eli Stone 10:30pm
- 6.943 million viewers
- 4.2/7 HH
- 2.3/6 A18-49

Lipstick Jungle 10:30pm
- 5.540 million viewers
- 3.9/7 HH
- 2.4/6 A18-49


Helpful statement. We would never have been able to figure that out... Roll Eyes
 
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FOX Steamroller Continues to Flatten Rivals After 22 Days of the 2008 February Sweep:

After 22 days of the February Sweep, the FOX steamroller continues to flatten the competition, and FOX holds an unprecedented first place across all key measures. The mammoth FOX lead over its rivals has been fueled by the enormous, record-breaking Super Bowl numbers, the powerhouse American Idol numbers on Tuesdays and Wednesdays (and last night too), and reliable ratings strength on every other night.

In the young audience A18-49 demo that advertisers crave for ad placement, FOX has the most nightly wins, having beaten the other networks on 14 out of 22 nights so far (one tie), followed by NBC with five nightly wins (one NBC win was a tie with FOX).

After 22 days, NBC holds second place in the A18-49 demo with a .14 advantage over third place ABC. In the households and viewership measures, CBS continues to hold on to second place.

After 22 days, the two News Corporation networks FOX and MyNetworkTV are both showing solid double-digit improvement over their numbers from last year. All the remaining networks are showing significant double-digit year-over-year declines, with NBC showing the least year-over-year slippage (-11% in demo, -10% in households, and -8% in viewers) while CBS, who were last year's Super Bowl broadcaster, is faring worst (-57% in demo, -46% in households, -51% in viewers) due to its large proportion of encore programming as a result of the writers strike.

After 22 days, the six networks are showing smaller-than-expected (given the strike and increased use of DVR's) year-over-year erosion: the young adult demo down by -13%, households are down by -12% on a year-over-year basis, while viewership is down by -10% year-over-year.
					nights	nights
demo	web	demo	demo	%	won	won
Rank	web	2008	2007	chg	2008	2007
1	FOX	7.39	4.97	49%	14	10
2	NBC	2.57	2.89	-11%	5	
3	ABC	2.45	3.60	-32%	3	5
4	CBS	2.30	5.41	-57%	1	7
5	CW	0.90	1.30	-31%		
6	MNT	0.47	0.27	78%		
	total	16.08	18.43	-13%	23	22
  

					nights	nights
HH	web	HH	HH	HH	won	won
rank	web	2008	2007	chg	2008	2007
1	FOX	10.2	7.2	42%	12	7
2	CBS	5.4	9.9	-46%	4	12
3	NBC	4.9	5.5	-10%	5	1
4	ABC	4.6	6.1	-24%	3	3
5	CW	1.5	2.1	-27%		
6	MNT	0.8	0.5	54%		
	total	27.5	31.2	-12%	24	23
  

					nights	nights
viewers	web	viewers	viewers	viewers	won	won
rank	web	2008	2007	chg	2008	2007
1	FOX	19.140	12.230	56%	12	7
2	CBS	8.300	16.818	-51%	3	12
3	NBC	7.769	8.449	-8%	4	
4	ABC	7.294	9.499	-23%	3	3
5	CW	2.334	3.238	-28%		
6	MNT	1.222	0.775	58%		
	total	46.06	51.01	-10%	22	22
  


This years and last years numbers are based upon final Nielsen numbers.

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Postscript
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AL asked me to do a special run of the FOX numbers this year and the CBS numbers last year to factor out the rotating Super Bowl. For FOX, I normalized their numbers by using an average of their second and third Sunday results. For CBS, I normalized their numbers by using their third Sunday results. Even without the Super Bowl, CBS continued to lead after 3 weeks last year, and so does FOX this year.

The adjusted results for FOX this year and CBS last year based on normalizing to remove the Super Bowl inflation from the final numbers are as follows:
					nights	nights
demo	web	demo	demo	%	won	won
Rank	web	2008	2007	chg	2008	2007
1	FOX	6.08	4.93	23%	13	10
4	CBS	2.25	4.10	-45%	1	7
					nights	nights
HH	web	HH	HH	HH	won	won
rank	web	2008	2007	chg	2008	2007
1	FOX	8.7	7.1	23%	11	7
2	CBS	5.3	8.5	-38%	4	12
					nights	nights
viewers	web	viewers	viewers	viewers	won	won
rank	web	2008	2007	chg	2008	2007
1	FOX	15.715	12.085	30%	11	7
2	CBS	8.122	13.652	-41%	3	12
  


Thanks Dumont for the extra work. Very interesting that FOX, even without the Super Bowl included still has such an increase from last year. And last year they had new episodes of House, Bones, and 24, which they don't have this year.

Thanks again.
 
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If I were ABC, I'd be fighting for that Thur.-Sat. night package later in the season that's being wasted on the NFL network, that about 40% of the country can get.


No way that happens- it's the NFL's only drawing card for their network, which they own- if they didn't have that, they'd have even fewer cable providers getting it (and what providers they do have aren't happy about what they're being cahrged for it- Dish Network just downgraded it from their "basic" to a more pricier package- and lost about 3 million possible viewers in the proccess)
 
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Originally posted by Drew:
Thanks dumont, for the numbers. I know that the SB has been in Feb for the past few years, and I wonder if that is because of the networks. The SB used to be in the last week of January, and the first Feb SB was in 2002, but in 2003, in was Jan. 26, but after that the last 5 have been in February. So I wonder if they asked to push it back into Feb so it would be included into the sweeps period.


The Super Bowl was pushed back b/c the NFL decided to start the regular season a week later than it used to. It used to start on Labor Day weekend, but they pushed it back a week due to weak ratings on the holiday weekend. When they first pushed the season back they eliminated the extra week off before the Super Bowl, but than 5 years ago they added the extra week off back, hence the Super Bowl was pushed into February.
 
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No way that happens- it's the NFL's only drawing card for their network, which they own- if they didn't have that, they'd have even fewer cable providers getting it (and what providers they do have aren't happy about what they're being cahrged for it- Dish Network just downgraded it from their "basic" to a more pricier package- and lost about 3 million possible viewers in the proccess)
I agree. As with everything else, the NFL makes its moves to benefit the NFL's pocketbooks, not to benefit the TV broadcast nets or the viewers.
 
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Originally posted by AL:
The Super Bowl was pushed back b/c the NFL decided to start the regular season a week later than it used to. It used to start on Labor Day weekend, but they pushed it back a week due to weak ratings on the holiday weekend. When they first pushed the season back they eliminated the extra week off before the Super Bowl, but than 5 years ago they added the extra week off back, hence the Super Bowl was pushed into February.
Agreed...and the extra week was put back in because the teams wanted an extra week to prepare for the Superbowl (the way things used to be) and because the NFL wanted the extra week to promote the Superbowl (money...money...money). The NFL could care less about Feb. sweeps.
 
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The Super Bowl was pushed back b/c the NFL decided to start the regular season a week later than it used to. It used to start on Labor Day weekend, but they pushed it back a week due to weak ratings on the holiday weekend. When they first pushed the season back they eliminated the extra week off before the Super Bowl, but than 5 years ago they added the extra week off back, hence the Super Bowl was pushed into February.
Agreed...and the extra week was put back in because the teams wanted an extra week to prepare for the Superbowl (the way things used to be) and because the NFL wanted the extra week to promote the Superbowl (money...money...money). The NFL could care less about Feb. sweeps.


Well, maybe the NFL does not care about the February sweeps directly, but the networks obviously do. And the networks pay the hefty rights fees for the NFL. So since they are paying all the money, if they would prefer the season to start the week after Labor Day due to weak ratings on a holiday weekend and they would prefer a February Super Bowl then it is in the NFL's best interest to appease their right holders, because in the end anything that makes the broadcast package more valuable to the networks indirectly makes it more valuable to the NFL.
 
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Here are the Live +7 Numbers for Lost's Premiere on Jan 31

Lost's Live + Same day was 16.14
add 1.63 million for the Time Shift Audiance
Grand 7 day total is 17.77m


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Here are the Live +7 Numbers for Lost's Premiere on Jan 31

Lost's Live + Same day was 16.14
add 1.63 million for the Time Shift Audiance
Grand 7 day total is 17.77m


Tv-aholic, just wondering do you know if the Live + Same Day numbers for SN were available for January 31st? Thanks.

Peace!!
 
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Don't be fooled ... the Super Bowl and Academy Awards were both moved into February for sweeps.
 
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Here are the Live +7 Numbers for Lost's Premiere on Jan 31
Any info on which 2 shows did better in the timeshift than Lost? Is there a timeshift list somewhere?
 
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I really doubt the NFL cared too much about the sweeps.
 
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Don't be fooled ... the Super Bowl and Academy Awards were both moved into February for sweeps.

Sure...and how much more did the networks all agree to pay in order to air the Superbowl one week later?
 
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New multi-network rating data that seems to be season averages shows a huge lift for Lost in DVR viewers. Lost had the third largest total DVR contribution beating out shows like House, Grey's Anatomy, and CSI.

Of the total views a week after air date (around 17.7 Million counting DVRs), 18% of the audience tivo'd the show. This works out to an average of around 3 million new viewers. That's not too shabby.

The thing is, if they got 3 million viewers over the live numbers, they didn't beat any of those shows, particularly when comparing premiere to premiere. Grey's, CSI, House, and Heroes all got over 3.4 million DVR viewers for their premieres. CSI averaged close to 3 mill while House and GA averaged well over 3 mill.

Were they comparing the DVR number from Lost's premiere to the DVR numbers from the CSI and Grey's repeats that same week?


I finally found a posted list of the DVR (Live+7) data for that week.

Lost was the 3rd most DVR lifted show in percentage terms behind Smallville and One Tree Hill.

Lost was the 5th most total viewer lifted show behind Idol Wed., Idol Tues., House, and the Superbowl.

TVbythenumbers Top20 lists link
 
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