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quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic:
Congratulations to TV-aholic (ME) winning his 3rd ever game of the PIF Challenge.
Congratulations on the win. I always seem to forget about those cable nets. quote:
Obveeus ...................................... 111
Wow! I guess that makes me #1 three times over.  |
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quote: Originally posted by silver_rainbow:
I would love to see Shannon Dorhety come back, but that will never happen.
Shannon Dorhety is the female equivalent to Mandy Patinkin in terms of inability to stick with a job. In both cases, it would be foolish to hire them for anything more than a 1 episode role. |
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quote: I would love to see Shannon Dorhety come back, but that will never happen. They could probably get Jennie Garth and Tori Spelling though.
Yeah, but the only role that would work in terms of keeping them in the storylines would be for them to play the moms of the new kids--the actresses are barely old enough to have high school age children, but I don't think either of their characters had any progeny at all by the time the show (finally) ended, almost eight years ago. Eight year olds don't go to high school, wear cool clothes, and have torrid affairs with each other. Sorry to be so anal about it, but dem's da rules. |
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quote: Originally posted by AL: quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic: quote: Originally posted by AL:
If you are looking for different actors for CSI Miami just watch CSI NY or CSI Original. Same shows. Different actors. Oh yes... also different background shots that really have nothing to do with the story and are irrevelent.
I take it you don't watch these shows, otherwise you would know and see the difference. Plus, the subject wasn't about "Different" it was about the quality of acting on CSI: Miami
All of the CSI's: Show starts, we learn of a crime, a murder. CSIs come to the scene, look at the evidence. They investigate for about 45 minutes (of TV time). We get to see fancy camera work with closeups inside a body. Then crime is solved. Show over. As I said, same exact shows, different actors.
Oh yeah, like there is any original show on TV right now. All CSIs are good shows, i don't care what's their degree of originality |
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quote: According to AL, Sherlock Holmes=Poirot=Encyclopedia Brown=Shawn Spencer=Adrian Monk=etc.
Main character is presented with seemingly impossible mystery, uses skills of observation to collect clues, and solves crime.
Yay! I never have to read another mystery novel because I read one Agatha Christie book. I can move on to reading romance novels, because they are all so unique and have no formula...
If you reduce them enough, most stories will have the same elements.
But it takes real creativity and originality to make something new and memorable out of a well-worn formula--and it's really hard to do it when you have to produce 20 or more stories a year. Good mysteries are really hard to write, and you can't just crank them off week after week. Agatha Christie was a renowned novel machine, and she still couldn't manage more than one book a year, at peak productivity. There's a reason the most enduring TV mystery show was Columbo--where they TOLD you whodunit in the opening scene, every single week. That freed them up to make it a character piece (how will Columbo use his nebbishy persona to trip up the killer?), which is what tends to work on TV. Nobody is saying that formulas don't work on TV, but real originality isn't found on the shows that rely heavily on a stock formula, which they've mainly borrowed from earlier shows, and other media. Twin Peaks was probably the most original American network show ever--it was a mystery, a soap opera, a crime thriller, a fish-out-of-water comedy, and a truly chilling horror story--but it wasn't bound by the conventions of any of these forms. It was something wholly new and unpredictable. And that's why it couldn't even manage to last two seasons. |
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From Marc's newsletter: quote:
Prime-Time Metered Market Wednesday Ratings:
Idol Ignited Fox Dominates
Wednesday 3/12/08
Household Rating/Share
Fox: 11.6/18, NBC: 7.1/11, CBS: 4.5/ 7, ABC: 3.8/ 6, CW: 2.2/ 3
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-Percent Change From the Year-Ago Evening (Wednesday, March 14, 2007)
NBC: +29, Fox: +14, ABC: -30, CBS: -36, CW: -42
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Note: The fast affiliate results for Wednesday will be posted at PIFeedback by 12 p.m. ET. Go to the website, click on Ratings Box (the first category), then Last Night’s Results, and Wednesday, March 12, 2008.
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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Deal or No Deal (NBC), The Moment of Truth (Fox), American Idol (Fox), Law & Order (NBC)
-Yesterday’s Losers (Excluding Repeats):
Wife Swap (ABC), Big Brother (CBS), Men in Trees (ABC)
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-Ratings Breakdown:
Led by the live American Idol Results Show, Fox’s overnight winning streak continued. In the distant No. 2 spot was NBC, followed by CBS, ABC and, of course, the CW. Although American Idol was in a class of its own with a hefty 16.4 rating/25 share at 9 p.m. (so long, David Hernandez -- I got it wrong!), also worthy of accolades on Fox was The Moment of Truth. The controversial game show kicked-off the evening tied with NBC’s Deal or No Deal at a 6.9/11 in the overnights from 8-9 p.m. Chances are The Moment of Truth will win the hour among adults 18-49 once the fast nationals are posted at PIFeedback.com.
Also airing in the 8 p.m. hour was ABC’s Wife Swap (#3: 3.6/ 6), CBS’ Big Brother 9 (#4: 3.5/ 6) and America’s Next Top Model on the CW (3.1/ 5). What concerns me about Top Model is a year-to-year loss of 34 percent in the overnights (vs. a 4.7/ 8 on March 15, 2007). In case you did not notice, every program in the 8 p.m. hour -- Wife Swap, Big Brother, Deal or No Deal, The Moment of Truth and America’s Next Top Model -- was of a non-scripted nature.
To the more than one dozen readers, by the way, who emailed with an update on Big Brother yesterday -- thank you.
At a 16.4/25 in the overnights, Fox’s aforementioned American Idol beat the second place 9-10 p.m. occupant, NBC’s Law & Order: Criminal Intent (5.8/ 9), by a whopping 183 percent. Also airing in the time period was a repeat of CBS’ Criminal Minds (5.2/ 8), ABC’s Supernanny (4.2/ 6) and a repeat of the CW’s Pussycat Dolls Present: Girlicious (1.4/ 2). Despite facing American Idol, Supernanny managed to build from lead-in Wife Swap by 17 percent.
Top rated 10 p.m. honors went to NBC’s veteran Law & Order, with an 8.6/14 in the overnights. Comparably, growth out of lead-in Criminal Intent was a considerable 48 percent. Yes, Dick Wolf, it looks like your goal of outlasting the longest running scripted drama in the history of television, Gunsmoke, could very well come true.
Second at 10 p.m. was a repeat of CBS’ fading CSI: NY (4.7/ 8), followed by ABC’s relocated Men in Trees at a 3.7/ 6. Does anyone even know that Men in Trees is back?
Source: Nielsen Media Research data
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I know ABC is planning on sticking with this lineup through May sweeps, but its only bright spot had been Supernanny, which is now free-falling opposite AI. Wife Swap did not see a bounce now that AI is moved away from it. Should they perhaps swap the shows.
And at this rate, perhaps Men In Trees should go back to Fridays @ 8pm to be put out of its misery, leaving the timeslot free for a newsmag, possibly Primetime once its Tuesday @ 10pm run is over. Thoughts?
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quote: Originally posted by pisher: quote: I would love to see Shannon Dorhety come back, but that will never happen. They could probably get Jennie Garth and Tori Spelling though.
Yeah, but the only role that would work in terms of keeping them in the storylines would be for them to play the moms of the new kids--the actresses are barely old enough to have high school age children, but I don't think either of their characters had any progeny at all by the time the show (finally) ended, almost eight years ago. Eight year olds don't go to high school, wear cool clothes, and have torrid affairs with each other. Sorry to be so anal about it, but dem's da rules.
Alot of the actors on the show are in the mid to late 30's, some even in their 40's. So to have kids that are 14-15 yrs old is not out of the question. Especially Brenda's character who left so early on and we don't really know what happend to her. Also, one of their character's could have married someone with step children. |
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quote: Alot of the actors on the show are in the mid to late 30's, some even in their 40's.
Yes, because 90210 was notorious for casting actors who were a lot older than their characters. I mean, the one who played Andrea could be a grandma by now. Okay, that was mean. quote: So to have kids that are 14-15 yrs old is not out of the question.
For the actors, no. For the characters, yes. quote: Especially Brenda's character who left so early on and we don't really know what happend to her.
I think we'd know if she'd had kids. And if the show was about Brenda's kids, I think it might have to air on Showtime.  quote: Also, one of their character's could have married someone with step children.
"Here's the story--of a guy named Brandon Who had slept with lots of very slutty girls"  |
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quote: Originally posted by silver_rainbow: quote: Originally posted by pisher: quote: I would love to see Shannon Dorhety come back, but that will never happen. They could probably get Jennie Garth and Tori Spelling though.
Yeah, but the only role that would work in terms of keeping them in the storylines would be for them to play the moms of the new kids--the actresses are barely old enough to have high school age children, but I don't think either of their characters had any progeny at all by the time the show (finally) ended, almost eight years ago. Eight year olds don't go to high school, wear cool clothes, and have torrid affairs with each other. Sorry to be so anal about it, but dem's da rules.
Alot of the actors on the show are in the mid to late 30's, some even in their 40's. So to have kids that are 14-15 yrs old is not out of the question. Especially Brenda's character who left so early on and we don't really know what happend to her. Also, one of their character's could have married someone with step children.
Another good idea would be to follow Erin, Kelly and David and Kelly's little sis. Who is suppose to be a teen by now. That would be the way to go. |
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speaking of Aaron Spelling, I wonder if the Love Boat/Fantasy Island type shows would work today. It would be another alternative to the reality/soaps/procedurals currently on the air.
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Fantasy Island was retried just a few years ago, with Malcolm McDowell. It only lasted 13 episodes. I actully liked it better than the original, but it was a little more on the Twilight Zone feel than the original. Love Boat: The Next Wave did pretty bad on UPN a while back. quote: Originally posted by vlis:
speaking of Aaron Spelling, I wonder if the Love Boat/Fantasy Island type shows would work today. It would be another alternative to the reality/soaps/procedurals currently on the air.
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quote: Another good idea would be to follow Erin, Kelly and David and Kelly's little sis. Who is suppose to be a teen by now. That would be the way to go.
But the only advantage of a spinoff is that it comes with a ready-made fanbase who like the character(s) from the earlier show. Nobody gives a damn about David and Kelly's little sister, who wasn't old enough to engage in the kind of activities 90210 was based around. She doesn't have any kind of following, and she almost certainly wouldn't be played by the same actress. I'm not sure I'd consider that a true spinoff. I'll have to relay the matter to the bylaws committee.  |
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quote: Originally posted by silver_rainbow: quote: Originally posted by silver_rainbow: quote: Originally posted by pisher: quote: I would love to see Shannon Dorhety come back, but that will never happen. They could probably get Jennie Garth and Tori Spelling though.
Yeah, but the only role that would work in terms of keeping them in the storylines would be for them to play the moms of the new kids--the actresses are barely old enough to have high school age children, but I don't think either of their characters had any progeny at all by the time the show (finally) ended, almost eight years ago. Eight year olds don't go to high school, wear cool clothes, and have torrid affairs with each other. Sorry to be so anal about it, but dem's da rules.
Alot of the actors on the show are in the mid to late 30's, some even in their 40's. So to have kids that are 14-15 yrs old is not out of the question. Especially Brenda's character who left so early on and we don't really know what happend to her. Also, one of their character's could have married someone with step children.
Another good idea would be to follow Erin, Kelly and David and Kelly's little sis. Who is suppose to be a teen by now. That would be the way to go.
I would guess for this to work at all they would need one of the big names to headline: Brandon, Dylan, Kelly, or Brenda. Last I heard JG was happy being a momma, and I think JP is on another network (unless the show as cancelled), SD or LP would be nice. hey if LP was to do it, I would probally tune in for that! honestly - I just don't see how this would work. I know why not do another Saved by the Bell "The Next New Class"... (I just relized how much of a dork I am that I can still remember all the actors names...sad I know) |
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