Originally posted by kimends: Ok, what the heck Supernatural! The first part of the season finale gets under 3 million viewers? I don't get it. Seriously.
Half hour breakdowns for Supernatural and Smallville?
and The CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 2.84 million; A18-49: #5, 1.2/ 3). Although this is only speculation, I am will to bet that upcoming CW drama Reaper will inherit the Thursday 9 p.m. hour out of Smallville, with Supernatural moving to Sunday next season. What do you think?
I didn't get SPN ratings. What happened that they went down like that?
Marc, on the moving to Sunday's subject, do you think they'd be getting what was Charmed spot back at WB?
Thank you for continually bringing us the ratings.
Originally posted by robert: Once again every, and i mean every show is waaaay down on its average numbers (minus Without a Trace). Horrible numbers for CW's shows. Season low for Betty and 5th Grader. CSI and Grey's not even close to 20 million. NBC's shows once again way down. What's happening??????/
Maybe Nielsen's 'blue screen counting' problem extends beyond New Orleans? Would they admit a problem while they were trying to find out what it was or only after they had found/fixed it?
This has to be the slowest May sweep Thursday in years. Most shows improve one week before their finales, but most everything drooped week to week, and shows that aired a year ago saw 20%+ declines. Grey's Anatomy (if nationals hold up), will tie a season low. I think the combo of the earlier DST and DVR is the true culprit. DVRing was less necessary when it was colder and dark by 8pm, but now it's daylight til 9pm or later some places and most people's viewing habits have changed as they always do in spring. I am a huge LOST fan, for instance, but missed 4 straight weeks because my whole life habits changed when spring came, so I DVRed the episodes. Same with DH, Ugly Betty, Grey's and even Heroes. Plus the spring storylines for all these shows (maybe save Heroes) have been weak and not appointment viewing, which I think is also having an impact. If my theory is true, these numbers will rebound in the fall. If I ran a network, I'd look at shortening the season to end before DST starts in March for these serialized shows (air them without repeat) and then start a new summer season with lighter easier-to-follow shows in April.
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Originally posted by robert: Once again every, and i mean every show is waaaay down on its average numbers (minus Without a Trace). Horrible numbers for CW's shows. Season low for Betty and 5th Grader. CSI and Grey's not even close to 20 million. NBC's shows once again way down. What's happening??????/
Take a look outside your window. See the nice weather? People are outside enjoying that. Ratings drop substantially every single April and May as winter end, then build through the fall leading to the January/February peak. It's been like this ever since I started looking at the ratings (10 years ago) and this year is no exception.
"Ugly Betty" was refreshing and fun for a while, but come on, we get it that she is not attractive but a wonderful person and everyone else is stunning and nasty.
It is a one-trick pony.
ABC has those kinds of problems. Take "October Road". Famous writer returns home after leaving 10 years earlier. How will he be accepted? How can there be more than a season out of that?
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Originally posted by pisher: You know, I'd be fine with Ugly Betty ending next season. They do NOT have five years of story there. And I want to see America Ferrara get to pretty up, already....
(And there has been some horrible, stay-inside weather in the midwest.)
Overal (and demo) ratings are down more than 10 per cent from last year at this time. Weather can't possibly explain that massive dropoff.
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Originally posted by DB108: Take a look outside your window. See the nice weather? People are outside enjoying that. Ratings drop substantially every single April and May as winter end, then build through the fall leading to the January/February peak. It's been like this ever since I started looking at the ratings (10 years ago) and this year is no exception.
Originally posted by robert: Once again every, and i mean every show is waaaay down on its average numbers (minus Without a Trace). Horrible numbers for CW's shows. Season low for Betty and 5th Grader. CSI and Grey's not even close to 20 million. NBC's shows once again way down. What's happening??????/
Take a look outside your window. See the nice weather? People are outside enjoying that. Ratings drop substantially every single April and May as winter end, then build through the fall leading to the January/February peak. It's been like this ever since I started looking at the ratings (10 years ago) and this year is no exception.
U should check last year's May numbers. Maybe u don't remember well. This time last year CSI was at 27 million viewers and Grey's at 23 Also u should check Lost's numbers, DH's numbers, Law and Order's numbers etc. I don't think thsi May is sunnier than last year's May
Traveler's premise seems like a different viewer than the demo that's into Grey's Anatomy. The show sounds more like something that would have lead better out of Lost on Wed.... (I believe Lost would have held it's own given how strong the season has been.)
Hmmmm. It seems that based on the opinions of this board that many of the shows should end their runs next year (if not sooner). Ugly Betty, The Office, October Road.... and I'm sure we'll soon hear more about the demise of CSI and Grey's because there are only so many storylines for them too (yawn).... Except of course for 5th Grader, which will run 10 plus seasons.
Originally posted by Marc Berman: Is there anything the network can do to add new life to the declining franchise next season?
Survivor has been really good this season. The show hasn't declined in its presentation, but I think that the TV audience is changing. With shows like Idol, 5th Grader, DoND, people seem to want reality Tv that doesn't require any analysis/thinking. I don't think that Survivro could adapt to that without destroying what makes the show work to begin with.
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ABC’s declining Ugly Betty finished second in the hour in total viewers (9.39 million), but a fourth-place 2.9/ 9 among adults 18-49 could be a concern.
Maybe there is a reason that telenovas are designed to last only one year?
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Since 40-minute episodes of NBC’s My Name is Earl and The Office are impossible to accurately break down by show, here is the results for NBC by half-hour from 8-9:30 p.m.:
8:00 p.m. My Name is Earl Viewers: 6.60 million (#4), A18-49: 2.8/ 9 (#2) 8:30 p.m. My Name is Earl/The Office Viewers: 7.59 million (#4), A18-49: 3.8/11 (#2) 9:00 p.m. The Office Viewers: 6.59 million (#4), A18-49: 3.5/10 (#3)
Scrubs was 40 minutes as well, right? I'd say that most of the uptick from 8 to 8:30 was increased HUT in general and most of the decrease from 8:30 to 9 was Scrubs effect. I guess we will know when finals come out.
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If NBC finally swings the axe, why on earth would ABC (as rumored) want Scrubs?
You know the answer to that Marc. Scrubs syndication has already been sold so the parent company has a strong reason to make sure the episodes get made. They can/will make a better deal with ABC than they would/could with NBC.
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Grey’s Anatomy, with 19.07 million viewers and a 7.5/20 among adults 18-49.
The only reason I can think of for GA to be down this week is that they put on a 2 hour load of tripe last week. This week wasn't much better with half the show devoted to Pining Izzy and Whining George. Yuck!
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Although this is only speculation, I am will to bet that upcoming CW drama Reaper will inherit the Thursday 9 p.m. hour out of Smallville, with Supernatural moving to Sunday next season. What do you think?
That is what I think will happen, as demonstrated in my mock CW schedule a week or two back. I know people want to say this is the toughest timeslot, but with NBC's weak comedies, CSI's aging, and viewers actually used to being in front of the TV Thursday night, I think this is a good slot for CW to launch something new. My only concern is how much Smallville has slacked off in recent weeks.
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ER (Viewers: 9.20 million; A18-49: 3.8/11),
Obviously, ER's uptick this week is because Grey's Anatomy wasn't in the timeslot, but I think ER also benefitted from being back in the ER. Last week's episode consited of no hospital which is a big problem for an actual 'medical show'.
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Traveler at 8.88 million viewers and a 3.6/10 in the demo.
Traveller, like Raines, was all but cancelled before it ever aired. Still, this bad rating does help October Road's cause.
Agree with Marc that WAT highly unlikely to move off Sundays. And agree in theory that the 10p thurs period could be improved upon. Now all that remains is for them to have the hot, new show you refer to and have the conservative net pull the trigger on another major move.
As for SHARK at 10 Tues, the both of you have said it, fair enough, but if BL stays in time period, that means alot of younger demo will be left on the table as SVU is below a 4.
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Originally posted by Fred Farrar: Shark appears headed for Tuesday. No decisioon yet on WAT moving.
But the better CBS move might be to place a hot new series Thursday at 10 PM ET/PT to take advantage of a weakening "E R" and a not-terribly-strong "October Road"
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Originally posted by SciFi Lover: Marc,
Were the "Without A Trace" numbers higher last night than they are on Sunday? If so, is there any chance that CBS will move it back to Thursdays and maybe move Shark to Sundays? I really prefer WAT on Thursdays.
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I agree 100% with your post! Everything is down, it is so easy for posters to write off all the shows they don't watch because of low ratings, but everything seems to be down across the board. Yes even American Idol! Seems that with DVR, any show that does 10 million nowadays with decent demos should be considered a hit.
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Originally posted by xwiseguyx: Hmmmm. It seems that based on the opinions of this board that many of the shows should end their runs next year (if not sooner). Ugly Betty, The Office, October Road.... and I'm sure we'll soon hear more about the demise of CSI and Grey's because there are only so many storylines for them too (yawn).... Except of course for 5th Grader, which will run 10 plus seasons.
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I am not a viewer of UB, but I always thought it was a limited story conecept.
As for The Office (Big Fan Here), if it continues with Sub 10 million viewers, It may be time to close shop. It will have peaked and not much chance of any growth.
If it were a 2.5 Men and drawing 13-15 million, but had peaked, then it has leges for more seasons. But when you average about 8 million. 4 seasons, unfortunately, may be enough.
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Originally posted by xwiseguyx: Hmmmm. It seems that based on the opinions of this board that many of the shows should end their runs next year (if not sooner). Ugly Betty, The Office, October Road.... and I'm sure we'll soon hear more about the demise of CSI and Grey's because there are only so many storylines for them too (yawn).... Except of course for 5th Grader, which will run 10 plus seasons.
Originally posted by Marc Berman: Smallville 8:00 p.m. V: 3.19 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 4 8:30 p.m. V: 3.54 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 4
Not really much of a difference between the two halves. That just looks like the normal HUT change that hour. Is Smallville getting hurt by 5th Grader?
Anyone ever figure out why ANTM had such a big difference in its two half hours this week?
