ABC also moved ATJ opposite Frasier Tuesday nights.
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Originally posted by Justin:
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Originally posted by Walter: I love Acording to Jim...
Even though the Ratings r way low.
I liked it back in season 1 and 2.
Remember the days when According to Jim would get 15 million viewers?
What happened???
People started to forget about family comedies and started watching murder stuff.
But the murder stuff will fade and people will start watch the family show again.
Not necessarily. I think it sprung a leak after the ABC comedies began to diminish. 8 Simple Rules was a hit for about a year, which while paired with Jim, exposed it to the 18 million people watching 8 Simple Rules. Along with My Wife and Kids and George Lopez, ABC really had it all going.
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And, yes, The CW programs themselves as a niche network, but they don't have the programs, the legacy or the station lineup to compete for 18-49s against ABC/CBS/FOX/NBC. That is a suicide mission. Even UPN and The WB recognized the futility of trying to go after 18-49. The legacy networks have that audience pretty much sewn up.
There are cable networks that do very well (better than the CW) going for an older, more general audience. So I don't think the CW has to niche itself to death, sticking to some narrow demo come hell or high water, in order to have decent (ie. better than they're getting now) ratings.
And what I remember about the WB is that, as they were nearing the end, they were trying to broaden their fanbase. They'd decided that trying to program only for a teen audience/young adult audience was making them stagnate. (Even making them lose ground, in some ways.) And had started to produce shows that appealed to older viewers. (Or, in some cases, shows that tried to appeal to teens with teen/20-something lead characters, and adults with older lead characters.)
Yeah, but.
The other thing about cable nets is that they have a totally different business model in that they have dual revenue streams. One is revenue they get from selling advertising and the other is the carriage fees they get from the MSOs.
The CW, OTH, has to rely solely on ad revenue so they have to, in your words, 'niche themselves to death' in order to carve out a point of difference from the legacy nets.
Another problem The CW has, IMO, is that they haven't yet decided who they are (or want to be). The inconsistency is maddening. Getting rid of Smackdown will help them in the long term (assuming they even have a long term) because that night of programming was too much out of line with the rest of the network psychographically and the WWE controlled all the ad sales. But that's for another time and place.
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Actually, Jim took down Frasier in key demos in the final two seasons of Frasier.
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Originally posted by whatsonpop: ABC also moved ATJ opposite Frasier Tuesday nights.
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Originally posted by Justin:
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Originally posted by Walter:
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Originally posted by Justin:
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Originally posted by Walter: I love Acording to Jim...
Even though the Ratings r way low.
I liked it back in season 1 and 2.
Remember the days when According to Jim would get 15 million viewers?
What happened???
People started to forget about family comedies and started watching murder stuff.
But the murder stuff will fade and people will start watch the family show again.
Not necessarily. I think it sprung a leak after the ABC comedies began to diminish. 8 Simple Rules was a hit for about a year, which while paired with Jim, exposed it to the 18 million people watching 8 Simple Rules. Along with My Wife and Kids and George Lopez, ABC really had it all going.
Originally posted by mushu_jj: Actually, Jim took down Frasier in key demos in the final two seasons of Frasier.
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Originally posted by whatsonpop: ABC also moved ATJ opposite Frasier Tuesday nights.
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Originally posted by Justin:
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Originally posted by Walter:
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Originally posted by Justin:
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Originally posted by Walter: I love Acording to Jim...
Even though the Ratings r way low.
I liked it back in season 1 and 2.
Remember the days when According to Jim would get 15 million viewers?
What happened???
People started to forget about family comedies and started watching murder stuff.
But the murder stuff will fade and people will start watch the family show again.
Not necessarily. I think it sprung a leak after the ABC comedies began to diminish. 8 Simple Rules was a hit for about a year, which while paired with Jim, exposed it to the 18 million people watching 8 Simple Rules. Along with My Wife and Kids and George Lopez, ABC really had it all going.
I loved 8 Simple Rules. It is such a shame that John Ritter died. It ruined the show, and it went downhill the next two years after him. It could have been a real hit had John Ritter lived.
I loved 8 Simple Rules. It is such a shame that John Ritter died. It ruined the show, and it went downhill the next two years after him. It could have been a real hit had John Ritter lived.
I think it would have been a massive hit. I remember it started spiking up to 20 million viewers, then it ended due to the cast dying/leaving. What a shame.
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I loved 8 Simple Rules. It is such a shame that John Ritter died. It ruined the show, and it went downhill the next two years after him. It could have been a real hit had John Ritter lived.
I think it would have been a massive hit. I remember it started spiking up to 20 million viewers, then it ended due to the cast dying/leaving. What a shame.
8 Simple Rules was such a great show. If John never died, the show could of helped ABC with their comeides a lot.
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ABC: Dancing is up noticably in the demo now that BL has finished its run.
NBC: WOW did SNL do terribly. TERRIBLY. Wow again. SVU is impressive being able to recover like that out of such a patheticly anemic lead-in. But it can only do so much. I almost think that 2 hrs of Outrageous would have gotten better demo numbers and almost CERTAINLY would have gotten better total viewership numbers. Pathetic, NBC... pathetic. I say again... the rest of the season, they should repeat the season for Chuck and Life in this slot.
8pm Chuck 9pm Life 10pm SVU
CBS: NCIS continues to be solid in viewers and disappointing in the demo. CBS is old.
I loved 8 Simple Rules. It is such a shame that John Ritter died. It ruined the show, and it went downhill the next two years after him. It could have been a real hit had John Ritter lived.
I think it would have been a massive hit. I remember it started spiking up to 20 million viewers, then it ended due to the cast dying/leaving. What a shame.
8 Simple Rules was such a great show. If John never died, the show could of helped ABC with their comeides a lot.
Yeah, to this day I still feel bad about what happend. I continued to watch it for the next two years, but it was not the same without John Ritter. The rest of the cast was good (and it is great to see Kaley Cuoco now in BBT) but it was just not the same without John Ritter.
I loved 8 Simple Rules. It is such a shame that John Ritter died. It ruined the show, and it went downhill the next two years after him. It could have been a real hit had John Ritter lived.
I think it would have been a massive hit. I remember it started spiking up to 20 million viewers, then it ended due to the cast dying/leaving. What a shame.
8 Simple Rules was such a great show. If John never died, the show could of helped ABC with their comeides a lot.
Yeah, to this day I still feel bad about what happend. I continued to watch it for the next two years, but it was not the same without John Ritter. The rest of the cast was good (and it is great to see Kaley Cuoco now in BBT) but it was just not the same without John Ritter.
The really sad part is that ABC has yet to launch something as good as that comedy in even the last season and a half.
Originally posted by Walter: I love Acording to Jim...
Even though the Ratings r way low.
I liked it back in season 1 and 2.
Remember the days when According to Jim would get 15 million viewers?
What happened???
People started to forget about family comedies and started watching murder stuff.
But the murder stuff will fade and people will start watch the family show again.
The "Murder Stuff" is the one genre that has lasted throughout the history of TV. It has never really seen a drop like Comedies, Soap-Dramas, Serial Dramas or other formats have.
Comedies are down because during the glut of the 90's there was a lot of low quality, cookie cutter shows that just didn't appeal to people. And now we are paying for it.
Originally posted by the128boy: CBS: NCIS continues to be solid in viewers and disappointing in the demo. CBS is old.
Dissappointing in the Demo? Its #2 in the Demo for its hour and is able to draw a 3.0 against AI. No easy feat. NCIS is also able to pull 4's in the demo when its not up against AI in the fall.
Its not CSI, GA or DH, but it is not "Dissappointing".
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A very well-informed argument, that simply ignores the fact that CW isn't making enough money with this approach. With the audience increasingly fragmented, and production costs rising every year, a small percentage of 18-34's simply won't cut it--and advertisers are increasingly skeptical that they are getting their money's worth. The whole system is breaking down, and CW is trying to exist around its fringes, picking up the scraps from the tables of the Big Four. I agree that going for the 18-49 demo won't work, but CW's approach is likewise doomed--all the more because its programming is universally mediocre.
If CW weren't propped up by a major media corporation, it would have already folded.
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You have hit on the biggest problem facing The CW and why pulling GG offline is exactly the wrong strategy at this point in time. The audience that they program for doesn't consume television (or media in general) in the same way that has been done historically--by plopping yourself down in front of the set and watching live. This audience watches online, they watch mobile, they use iTunes, whatever. With Tivo and other DVR penetration reaching over 22% HH, all traditional conventions about programming and audience accumulation are out the window.
GG actually ranks #15 in Power Rankings (Audience size, Audience appeal, Interest, Streaming) when all these factors are taken into account, which strongly makes the case for its renewal. Reaper doesn't even make the Top 100.
And, yes, The CW programs themselves as a niche network, but they don't have the programs, the legacy or the station lineup to compete for 18-49s against ABC/CBS/FOX/NBC. That is a suicide mission. Even UPN and The WB recognized the futility of trying to go after 18-49. The legacy networks have that audience pretty much sewn up.
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