Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: What? Apparently you haven't heard of a little series called Law and Order? There is also two sister shows you might want to check out. Heroes? Even to an extent Medium and Celebrity Apprentice. NBC is fine. Next year, My Own Worst Enemy should bring in ratings and I'm excited that Blue Blood is already getting compared to The Shield and NYPD Blue. They have some stuff to work with.
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Originally posted by Walter:
Nbc counts on DOND to survive.
And its ratings r going down.
One DOND is gone unless NBC comes up with a Ratings Blockbuster, Nbc is done for.
I hope so but i think they put to much pressure on DOND.
Yes, you are correct in that opinion. Dawn is definately fishing for that crowd. As most people have said, the problem with this focus is that it is too narrow of a demo to ever make it as a main network (which the CW at this time sees itself as). Lifetime, Oxygen, MTV, VH1, ABC, MNTV, and even to an extent FOX and NBC is going for the same crowd. With so many choices for viewers to choose from among a demographic that isn't watching just TV and getting their entertainment from a multitude of sources (internet, text messages, video games, DVDs, etc), she is constantly facing an uphill battle that she more than likely will never fully conquer. Maybe keeping Reaper isn't the answer, but CW needs wider reaching shows that hit multiple demos to remain competitive. You can't show GG seven days a week or a clone with a different name. The network won't survive.
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Originally posted by Native NYer:
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Originally posted by galveston:
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Originally posted by yankeesrj12: Reaper should be renewed ASAP over Gossip Girl.
Reaper has hit three million viewers 2 times (Episode 1 and 4) while Gossip Girl has hit three million viewers 1 time (Episode 1)
Reaper's lowest viewership was 2.26 million viewers (Episode 9), Gossip Girl's was 1.80 (Episode 11; excluding the special)
Average Viewers: Reaper - 2.73 Gossip Girl - 2.61
Once again, Dawn Ostroff and the CW suits don't care about total viewership numbers. They care only about the 18-34 demo and the teen demo. Check out the final ratings that Travis Yanan posts for new eps. He regularly includes the 18-34 demo for CW shows. Gossip Girl consistently outscores Reaper in those demos by over a full point. When it aired new eps on Thursdays, Reaper scored from 0.8 to 1.0 in the 18-34 demo. That's typical for Reaper. Gossip Girl's latest new episode scored a 2.1 in the 18-34 demo; that's also very consistent with its season average. That's why Gossip Girl was renewed for a full season ASAP. As far as Dawn is concerned, Gossip Girl's ratings are much higher than Reaper's. They're much higher than Supernatural's ratings, and they even inch out Smallville's. The 18-34 demo is all that matters to Dawn and to the CW. It's why Gossip Girl is her precious baby.
From the advertisers' perspective--and the ones who actually pay for what goes out over the airwaves--total viewers mean nothing. Absolutely nothing. Dawn is right. She's programming to A18-34s and F12-17. Sure, it would be nice to have more total viewers, because that means that there would be more of the target audience, assuming the conversion factors held steady. But The CW programs for their advertiser base because they're the ones who pay the bills.
I understand that this is not a popular opinion on this forum, but it is what it is.
Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: What? Apparently you haven't heard of a little series called Law and Order? There is also two sister shows you might want to check out. Heroes? Even to an extent Medium and Celebrity Apprentice. NBC is fine. Next year, My Own Worst Enemy should bring in ratings and I'm excited that Blue Blood is already getting compared to The Shield and NYPD Blue. They have some stuff to work with.
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Originally posted by Walter:
Nbc counts on DOND to survive.
And its ratings r going down.
One DOND is gone unless NBC comes up with a Ratings Blockbuster, Nbc is done for.
I hope so but i think they put to much pressure on DOND.
I am still amazed how well DOND still does. I mean it is the same thing every week, no one ever wins any real big money, and yet people keep watching. TPIR gave away three million dollar winners in its first 5 shows, while DOND has been on for 3 years, and never given away a million. Even 1 vs. 100 when it was on gave away a million once. I just wonder why people are so addicted to this show. Millionaire went down for ABC after like two years. I wonder if DOND will ever wear out its welcome.
Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: What? Apparently you haven't heard of a little series called Law and Order? There is also two sister shows you might want to check out. Heroes? Even to an extent Medium and Celebrity Apprentice. NBC is fine. Next year, My Own Worst Enemy should bring in ratings and I'm excited that Blue Blood is already getting compared to The Shield and NYPD Blue. They have some stuff to work with.
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Originally posted by Walter:
Nbc counts on DOND to survive.
And its ratings r going down.
One DOND is gone unless NBC comes up with a Ratings Blockbuster, Nbc is done for.
I hope so but i think they put to much pressure on DOND.
I am still amazed how well DOND still does. I mean it is the same thing every week, no one ever wins any real big money, and yet people keep watching. TPIR gave away three million dollar winners in its first 5 shows, while DOND has been on for 3 years, and never given away a million. Even 1 vs. 100 when it was on gave away a million once. I just wonder why people are so addicted to this show. Millionaire went down for ABC after like two years. I wonder if DOND will ever wear out its welcome.
Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Yes, you are correct in that opinion. Dawn is definately fishing for that crowd. As most people have said, the problem with this focus is that it is too narrow of a demo to ever make it as a main network (which the CW at this time sees itself as). Lifetime, Oxygen, MTV, VH1, ABC, MNTV, and even to an extent FOX and NBC is going for the same crowd. With so many choices for viewers to choose from among a demographic that isn't watching just TV and getting their entertainment from a multitude of sources (internet, text messages, video games, DVDs, etc), she is constantly facing an uphill battle that she more than likely will never fully conquer. Maybe keeping Reaper isn't the answer, but CW needs wider reaching shows that hit multiple demos to remain competitive. You can't show GG seven days a week or a clone with a different name. The network won't survive.
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Originally posted by Native NYer:
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Originally posted by galveston:
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Originally posted by yankeesrj12: Reaper should be renewed ASAP over Gossip Girl.
Reaper has hit three million viewers 2 times (Episode 1 and 4) while Gossip Girl has hit three million viewers 1 time (Episode 1)
Reaper's lowest viewership was 2.26 million viewers (Episode 9), Gossip Girl's was 1.80 (Episode 11; excluding the special)
Average Viewers: Reaper - 2.73 Gossip Girl - 2.61
Once again, Dawn Ostroff and the CW suits don't care about total viewership numbers. They care only about the 18-34 demo and the teen demo. Check out the final ratings that Travis Yanan posts for new eps. He regularly includes the 18-34 demo for CW shows. Gossip Girl consistently outscores Reaper in those demos by over a full point. When it aired new eps on Thursdays, Reaper scored from 0.8 to 1.0 in the 18-34 demo. That's typical for Reaper. Gossip Girl's latest new episode scored a 2.1 in the 18-34 demo; that's also very consistent with its season average. That's why Gossip Girl was renewed for a full season ASAP. As far as Dawn is concerned, Gossip Girl's ratings are much higher than Reaper's. They're much higher than Supernatural's ratings, and they even inch out Smallville's. The 18-34 demo is all that matters to Dawn and to the CW. It's why Gossip Girl is her precious baby.
From the advertisers' perspective--and the ones who actually pay for what goes out over the airwaves--total viewers mean nothing. Absolutely nothing. Dawn is right. She's programming to A18-34s and F12-17. Sure, it would be nice to have more total viewers, because that means that there would be more of the target audience, assuming the conversion factors held steady. But The CW programs for their advertiser base because they're the ones who pay the bills.
I understand that this is not a popular opinion on this forum, but it is what it is.
You have hit on the biggest problem facing The CW and why pulling GG offline is exactly the wrong strategy at this point in time. The audience that they program for doesn't consume television (or media in general) in the same way that has been done historically--by plopping yourself down in front of the set and watching live. This audience watches online, they watch mobile, they use iTunes, whatever. With Tivo and other DVR penetration reaching over 22% HH, all traditional conventions about programming and audience accumulation are out the window.
GG actually ranks #15 in Power Rankings (Audience size, Audience appeal, Interest, Streaming) when all these factors are taken into account, which strongly makes the case for its renewal. Reaper doesn't even make the Top 100.
And, yes, The CW programs themselves as a niche network, but they don't have the programs, the legacy or the station lineup to compete for 18-49s against ABC/CBS/FOX/NBC. That is a suicide mission. Even UPN and The WB recognized the futility of trying to go after 18-49. The legacy networks have that audience pretty much sewn up.
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Posts: 269 | Location: Los Angeles | Registered: 25 February 2008
I think it's just one of those shows that people aren't interested in seeing season after season after season of.
I think you're right about the glut of this kind of show... plus the "brand" was diluted with that spinoff that quickly made it to the air with one of the characters/contestants from the first season. And, frankly, I think Tila picking a guy over a girl pissed a lot of the curious viewers off (plus, that was only 4 or 5 months ago). Then again, the first cycle wasn't a huge hit until the end.
Originally posted by Luisemb: "American Idol opened the evening with a healthy 24.00 million viewers and an 8.8 rating/24 share among adults 18-49 from 8-9 p.m. "
Idol must have lost 4 (at best) or 6 (at worst) million viewers from last year.
Idol has jumped the shark!
It will never be a 30 million show again.
Its defenitly showing it age.
Not really.
Did you notice that 5 million people DVR'd it on the most recent list. Already adding to the 23 million same day viewers. Making at least 27 million.
I'm sure Idol can hit 30 million again.
Again, MORE people are DVRing day by day, while LESS people are watching live.
Posts: 2650 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: 27 January 2007
Originally posted by gorilla1boy: Why all the hate for CBS Tuesday at 10??? I thought Smith had potential and was different from all the other primetime shows.
Cane was a good show and i thought it had real growth potential.
3lbs came too soon after the Grey's Anatomy ascension.
Jericho started out with decent ratings that i believe held up week to week but then it had that HUGE break in its season that lasted about 3 or 4 months.
CBS would be wise if they would NOT put a freshman series there.
Without a Trace would be perfect, and debut a show after CSI:.
Without a Trace showed us that it can hold its own audience last year when it was on Sundays. Remember it skewed around 15 million?
I'm sure it could do that on Tuesdays at 10.
Posts: 2650 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: 27 January 2007
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Originally posted by Walter: I love Acording to Jim...
Even though the Ratings r way low.
I liked it back in season 1 and 2.
Remember the days when According to Jim would get 15 million viewers?
What happened???
People started to forget about family comedies and started watching murder stuff.
But the murder stuff will fade and people will start watch the family show again.
Not necessarily. I think it sprung a leak after the ABC comedies began to diminish. 8 Simple Rules was a hit for about a year, which while paired with Jim, exposed it to the 18 million people watching 8 Simple Rules. Along with My Wife and Kids and George Lopez, ABC really had it all going.
Posts: 2650 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: 27 January 2007
And, yes, The CW programs themselves as a niche network, but they don't have the programs, the legacy or the station lineup to compete for 18-49s against ABC/CBS/FOX/NBC. That is a suicide mission. Even UPN and The WB recognized the futility of trying to go after 18-49. The legacy networks have that audience pretty much sewn up.
There are cable networks that do very well (better than the CW) going for an older, more general audience. So I don't think the CW has to niche itself to death, sticking to some narrow demo come hell or high water, in order to have decent (ie. better than they're getting now) ratings.
And what I remember about the WB is that, as they were nearing the end, they were trying to broaden their fanbase. They'd decided that trying to program only for a teen audience/young adult audience was making them stagnate. (Even making them lose ground, in some ways.) And had started to produce shows that appealed to older viewers. (Or, in some cases, shows that tried to appeal to teens with teen/20-something lead characters, and adults with older lead characters.)
Originally posted by Walter: I love Acording to Jim...
Even though the Ratings r way low.
I liked it back in season 1 and 2.
Remember the days when According to Jim would get 15 million viewers?
What happened???
People started to forget about family comedies and started watching murder stuff.
But the murder stuff will fade and people will start watch the family show again.
Not necessarily. I think it sprung a leak after the ABC comedies began to diminish. 8 Simple Rules was a hit for about a year, which while paired with Jim, exposed it to the 18 million people watching 8 Simple Rules. Along with My Wife and Kids and George Lopez, ABC really had it all going.
