Originally posted by Obveeus: The show is in its 10th Cycle. Your claim that the show not having producd a 'top model' has suddently caused the ratings to droop by 25%+ is not logical.
I did? Where? When? I know my memory isn't that bad.
I'm sure there are all sorts of factors effecting the ratings. (I think a biggie is running so many cycles so close together.) But my point was that I could see how, on a show like this, the fact that the show hasn't produced a "top model" would have some effect on the viewership. I've talked to fans (and former fans) of the show, and some have started to feel that, since winning the competition doesn't seem to get the winners anywhere (based on their opinion of what a "top model" is), there's almost no point to it.
While ANTM hasn't produced a bonafide supermodel, it has produced a number of working models (though not always the winners).
The reason for the big drop this cycle, many have speculated, is due to last cycle's winner / conspiracy. The model who won had experience going in (which many do), but the experience she had included modeling on The Tyra Banks Show (so she had a relationship with Tyra). In addition, she was part of Tyra's summer camp, or whatever. Now, not all viewers are keyed into these online controversies... but this is really the first cycle the show has exhibited weakness, and to be off by 25% cycle-to-cycle, as opposed to year-to-year is telling.
Originally posted by Chimera: Plus Project Runway is over, so it won't be there to pull demo viewers away.
But... Next week Bravot has the Season 4 premeire of Top Chef: Chicago. I am sure it will have an effect on the ratings.
I'm not sure I buy into the idea that Law&Order viewers are also Project Runway (or even Top Chef) viewers. BTW, does Top Chef do near as well as Project Runway in the ratings?
Top Chef has been a step below Project Runway on average, but it's been a summer series so who knows if it'll benefit from airing starting in March? The other thing is Project Runway hadn't been on for 1.5 years between cycles, the last Top Chef finished in, what, September? There isn't as much pent up viewer build up...
... but I, honestly, like Top Chef much more than Project Runway (which is saying something!)
I expect the TC4 premiere will do in the mid-3 millions, around the level of a typical PR episode.
Originally posted by Obveeus: The show is in its 10th Cycle. Your claim that the show not having producd a 'top model' has suddently caused the ratings to droop by 25%+ is not logical.
I did? Where? When? I know my memory isn't that bad.
You claimed ratings dropped because viewers didn't see the models turn into Supermodels. Since the ratings drop has been very small until this Cycle, the only way your comment can be taken is as a claim about this Cycle's ratings.
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I'm sure there are all sorts of factors effecting the ratings. (I think a biggie is running so many cycles so close together.)
two per year isn't any different than other major Reality TV shows. American Idol is the exception, not the rule.
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But my point was that I could see how, on a show like this, the fact that the show hasn't produced a "top model" would have some effect on the viewership.
It is a nice theory, but I don't think it reflects the actual belief system of the viewers of the show at all. The former cast members do become models. Some of them do get their own TV shows. Some of them are seen modeling on shows like Project Runway.
Honestly, how many current 'top models' can you name in the industry? The day of the Supermodel is almost completely dead. Most magazine covers are now graced by starlets, not models. Models still do runway and fashion spreads in magazines, but their work is infinitely more anonymous than it was 20 years ago. Just because you don't see (or recognize when you do see) the ANTM models, doesn't mean that they aren't out there making money in the modeling industry.
As Travis, and other viewers of the show here have mentioned, the drop in ratings is most likely tied to the preceived 'fix' that occured on last season's show.
Originally posted by Obveeus: The show is in its 10th Cycle. Your claim that the show not having producd a 'top model' has suddently caused the ratings to droop by 25%+ is not logical.
I did? Where? When? I know my memory isn't that bad.
You claimed ratings dropped because viewers didn't see the models turn into Supermodels. Since the ratings drop has been very small until this Cycle, the only way your comment can be taken is as a claim about this Cycle's ratings.
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I'm sure there are all sorts of factors effecting the ratings. (I think a biggie is running so many cycles so close together.)
two per year isn't any different than other major Reality TV shows. American Idol is the exception, not the rule.
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But my point was that I could see how, on a show like this, the fact that the show hasn't produced a "top model" would have some effect on the viewership.
It is a nice theory, but I don't think it reflects the actual belief system of the viewers of the show at all. The former cast members do become models. Some of them do get their own TV shows. Some of them are seen modeling on shows like Project Runway.
Honestly, how many current 'top models' can you name in the industry? The day of the Supermodel is almost completely dead. Most magazine covers are now graced by starlets, not models. Models still do runway and fashion spreads in magazines, but their work is infinitely more anonymous than it was 20 years ago. Just because you don't see (or recognize when you do see) the ANTM models, doesn't mean that they aren't out there making money in the modeling industry.
As Travis, and other viewers of the show here have mentioned, the drop in ratings is most likely tied to the preceived 'fix' that occured on last season's show.
I think the constant airings of reruns on MTV and VH1 are hurting the show. That and the fact that the fans favorite didn't win last time around (or at least that was the perception I get- I have absolutely no real interest in what I find to be a very boring reality show).
Aside from the occasional 7th Heaven last year (and there were very few good eps last year), Reba, and some of this year's OTH and Reaper eps, I really haven't gotten much from this network. I won't really miss it as One Tree Hill will be ready to retire here soon and Reaper will probably get screwed and cancelled within a year or two anyway.
Originally posted by mushu_jj: I think the constant airings of reruns on MTV and VH1 are hurting the show.
I agree. I don't think any other reality show on broadcast TV gets as much syndication/repeat airings as ANTM. If people can watch almost any day of the week, it cuts down on the need to watch during first run.
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That and the fact that the fans favorite didn't win last time around
The fan favorite not winning certainly pissed a large number of people off. Still, given how poorly she performed in back-to-back week's tasks involving commercial/spokesman/interaction roles, I don't think that the judges had any choice but to boot her. She took the best photos and had the best 'backstory', but she was not preparred to work in front of a camera or in front of strangers. The judges mad ethe right choice. The real error on that point was in the show's editing. The whole thing is filmed in advance so they know who wins and who gets eliminated. It was a bad move by the editors to put such an overwhelming positive spin on a character that they knew would not make it to the end. The editors led the audience in a direction that turned 'unsatisfying'.
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I have absolutely no real interest in what I find to be a very boring reality show).
Well, not everything can be as interesting as Big Brother and Paradise Hotel. Still, I am sure you could have enjoyed the argument about how black women like to take it from the back.
Originally posted by Chimera: I'm afraid I agree -- MIT is not doing enough to get renewed, and at some point you gotta stop blaming lead-in or scheduling. It has had a chance, but has failed to catch on -- during the strike, there actually aren't many lead-ins better than Supernanny on ABC. It had been their 3rd or 4th highest show for a while.
MIT, WAB, and OR are similar in that they were intriguing at the start, but quickly became formulaic and not particularly appealing. I watched each for parts of their first season, but after a while I lost interest.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by whatsonpop: And MIT will go the route of WAB. I think it's time for ABC to pull the plug on this series. I have listened for two years to every excuse possible to explain why people just arent interested in this show.
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Thanks Bruce -- you know I gave each of these shows a chance, and MIT has had its chances, but now it's time to realize it just has not caught on. And I say that as a former fan.
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Originally posted by Bruce: I find these comments very refreshing.
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Originally posted by Chimera: I'm afraid I agree -- MIT is not doing enough to get renewed, and at some point you gotta stop blaming lead-in or scheduling. It has had a chance, but has failed to catch on -- during the strike, there actually aren't many lead-ins better than Supernanny on ABC. It had been their 3rd or 4th highest show for a while.
MIT, WAB, and OR are similar in that they were intriguing at the start, but quickly became formulaic and not particularly appealing. I watched each for parts of their first season, but after a while I lost interest.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by whatsonpop: And MIT will go the route of WAB. I think it's time for ABC to pull the plug on this series. I have listened for two years to every excuse possible to explain why people just arent interested in this show.
