There is plenty of good new music. It may not be on the radio though. Myspace actually is a great place to learn more about these new artists. Afterwards, I can usually find something on Limewire that I want.
Originally posted by channelserf: As someone else said, part of AI's success came from the fact that some of their contestants did become "American Idols."
1. American Idol was vastly popular before anyone 'became an Idol'. If 30 mi8llion people weren't watching the show, Kelly Clarkson never would have sold enough CDs to became a 'star'.
2. American Idol fans are the ones that go out and spend money buying the CD, so they can 'make' the person a star. The show itself can't make anyone a star.
3. America's Next Top Model doesn't have any more or less power to 'make' someone a star than American Idol.
4. The fanbase for ANTM is about 1/8 the size of the fanbase for AI, so even if the fans suddenly 'got stupid' and went out to buy any product that the models represented, they still couldn't make the models into modeling 'stars'. When America's Next Top Model starts off with 30 million fans for a season and noone from the show becomes a 'star' model afterwards, then you will have a point.
5. The only people that really think ANTM is about making a 'Top Model' are the ones that haven't watched much/any of it. The show gives insight into the modeling industry. In fact, I think it imparts a lot more insight into what it takes to work in the modeling world than American Idol imparts about what it takes to make it in the music world.
Originally posted by Remote Controller: No Stealing involved - Instead of paying $15 for only one or two good songs on the only available medium at the time - CD. I and millions of people only pay $.99 for each good song.
If you do not know that the online music industry was created and made popular through massive theft, you must be really young. Those 99cent downloads are only the result of years of court cases trying to stop the theft. No doubt, the majority of people still think 99cents is 'too much' and are still stealing most of the music they 'own'.
I'm still waiting to hear why you felt you couldn't buy a CD single if you didn't want to own the whole CD of music or why you thought it was ok to steal if you thought the price was too high.
Originally posted by Remote Controller: No Stealing involved - Instead of paying $15 for only one or two good songs on the only available medium at the time - CD. I and millions of people only pay $.99 for each good song.
If you do not know that the online music industry was created and made popular through massive theft, you must be really young. Those 99cent downloads are only the result of years of court cases trying to stop the theft. No doubt, the majority of people still think 99cents is 'too much' and are still stealing most of the music they 'own'.
I'm still waiting to hear why you felt you couldn't buy a CD single if you didn't want to own the whole CD of music or why you thought it was ok to steal if you thought the price was too high.
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But the cost of 45 wasn't substantual nor was tape singles. CD singles on the other had were more expensive (at least where I lived). And it wasn't just inflation I went from a 1.59 to 1.99 tape single, to a 3.29 CD single in one year. That was huge.
The online sale at 99 cents is close to other forms when you exclude all the production cost that they don't have to use in making and marketing them.
SHOW/NET HH A18-49 Viewers A18-34
ABC 4.1/7 2.1/5 6,008,000
CBS 5.2/8 2.1/6 7,705,000
NBC 5.6/9 2.2/6 8,439,000
FOX 12.5/19 8.3/21 21,635,000
CW 1.8/3 1.4/4 2,709,000 1.7/5
WIFE SWAP 3.5/5 1.9/5 5,164,000
SUPERNANNY 4.7/7 2.8/7 7,085,000
MEN IN TREES 4.0/7 1.6/4 5,774,000
BIG BROTHER 3.8/6 2.0/5 5,582,000
LAW AND ORDER: CI 4.5/7 1.6/4 6,738,000
DEAL OR NO DEAL 5.9/9 2.1/5 8,950,000
LAW AND ORDER 6.5/11 2.9/8 9,630,000
AMERICAN IDOL 16.0/25 10.4/27 28,324,000
MOMENT OF TRUTH (9:01pm) 8.8/14 6.1/15 14,719,000
AMERICA'S NEXT TOP MODEL 2.3/4 1.8/5 3,522,000 2.3/7
PROJECT RUNWAY (finale) 3.4/6 2.9/8 5,181,000
Originally posted by mswood: But the cost of 45 wasn't substantual nor was tape singles. CD singles on the other had were more expensive (at least where I lived). And it wasn't just inflation I went from a 1.59 to 1.99 tape single, to a 3.29 CD single in one year. That was huge.
The CD singles usually had a lot more to offer (several versions of the song, lyrics, photos, etc...) than a tape single. Still, the real issue is that there exists a belief that it is ok to steal something if you think it is too expensive. Why does everyone look at music, DVDs, and computer software as products that SHOULD be stolen rather than purchased?
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The online sale at 99 cents is close to other forms when you exclude all the production cost that they don't have to use in making and marketing them.
I agree completely that eliminating the production costs, shipping costs, display costs, etc... should cut the cost of the product. Online LEGAL music downloads have done just that. Still, when the main sales platform for music changed from Album/CD (which had been the case for several decades) to singles, the 'art' of Album/CDs was lost. Music artists simply don't try to create an album's worth of quality anymore and that is a reflection of the change in the way music is marketed, not the reverse as some here claimed. Music didn't 'suck', then convert to a singles only sales mentality. Music buyers abandoned the CD/Album and the result is that artists now base their product around a 'single' rather than a cd's worth of quality music.
Originally posted by Obveeus: 1. American Idol was vastly popular before anyone 'became an Idol'.
I never said it wasn't. What I said was that if, after all this time, they had never produced an "Idol," I doubt their current ratings would be as high as they are.
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2. American Idol fans are the ones that go out and spend money buying the CD, so they can 'make' the person a star. The show itself can't make anyone a star.
And you make a good point about KC being successful because the show was successful, and there was a built-in audience for her albums. Unfortunately, the same doesn't work with models. There's nothing an audience member can buy, really, that will directly help send a model to the top of the industry.
Yes, the AI audience helped make KC successful. But it is success, and success that the public and see and measure.
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3. America's Next Top Model doesn't have any more or less power to 'make' someone a star than American Idol.
No. But it's about audience perception. Watching AI, knowing that contestants have gone on to be "stars" (or, at least, well-know), it's hard not to conclude that going on that show is a real chance to become a star. ANTM can't really claim the same.
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5. The only people that really think ANTM is about making a 'Top Model' are the ones that haven't watched much/any of it.
Actually, I know people who watch the show. When one of the ANTM winners ended up hosting a show on the Style network, I thought she was doing pretty well. Thanks to ANTM, she had a steady job in the industry. But people I know who watch the show acted like she'd won an Oscar on her first film, only to go on to star in nothing but cheap B movies. To them, hosting a show on a cable network was a long way from being a "top model."
I'm not really sure why you're against the idea that not producing an uber successful model might have hurt ANTM. It's nothing against the show or anything. I just think it seems logical.
Originally posted by mswood: But the cost of 45 wasn't substantual nor was tape singles. CD singles on the other had were more expensive (at least where I lived). And it wasn't just inflation I went from a 1.59 to 1.99 tape single, to a 3.29 CD single in one year. That was huge.
The CD singles usually had a lot more to offer (several versions of the song, lyrics, photos, etc...) than a tape single. Still, the real issue is that there exists a belief that it is ok to steal something if you think it is too expensive. Why does everyone look at music, DVDs, and computer software as products that SHOULD be stolen rather than purchased?
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The online sale at 99 cents is close to other forms when you exclude all the production cost that they don't have to use in making and marketing them.
I agree completely that eliminating the production costs, shipping costs, display costs, etc... should cut the cost of the product. Online LEGAL music downloads have done just that. Still, when the main sales platform for music changed from Album/CD (which had been the case for several decades) to singles, the 'art' of Album/CDs was lost. Music artists simply don't try to create an album's worth of quality anymore and that is a reflection of the change in the way music is marketed, not the reverse as some here claimed. Music didn't 'suck', then convert to a singles only sales mentality. Music buyers abandoned the CD/Album and the result is that artists now base their product around a 'single' rather than a cd's worth of quality music.
Yeah the movement to singles away from albums really, really has had a huge impact on not only the revenue of studios, but how music is created and marketed.
THough if illegal downloading stop and instead just 10% of the totals songs illegally downloaded were bought, it would make a huge difference to the studios, artist, and writers involved.
But god knows I am guilty of this (though I stopped when itunes came out).
Originally posted by channelserf: I'm not really sure why you're against the idea that not producing an uber successful model might have hurt ANTM. It's nothing against the show or anything. I just think it seems logical.
The show is in its 10th Cycle. Your claim that the show not having producd a 'top model' has suddently caused the ratings to droop by 25%+ is not logical. What it demonstrates is a lack of knowledge of the show. The drop in ratings is much more likely tied to recent events (last season's shenanigans on the show), not some sudden realization by the audience that the show doesn't produce Supermodels.
Originally posted by mswood: THough if illegal downloading stop and instead just 10% of the totals songs illegally downloaded were bought, it would make a huge difference to the studios, artist, and writers involved.
I agree. The consumer has all but killed the industry by stealing the product and causing a complete transformation in how the product is now delivered and what sort of product is marketed. Realistically, TV is headed for the same future. People will continue to DVR their way through commercials and download shows with stealing techniques like bittorrent in ever increasing amounts. Eventually, broadcast and even cable TV will die off. They will be replaced by some sort of internet delivery system that focuses on tiny ad dollars picked up though pay-per-download or pay-per-view ad windows like You Tube.
So, to summarize: Album/CD: effected by a consumer unwilling to pay, but still insisting upon getting the product degrades the product into i-tunes level quality.
Tv/Movies: effected by a consumer unwilling to pay, but still insisting upon getting the product degrades the product into Youtube style productions of Quarterlife or lesser quality.
Originally posted by Chimera: Plus Project Runway is over, so it won't be there to pull demo viewers away.
But... Next week Bravot has the Season 4 premeire of Top Chef: Chicago. I am sure it will have an effect on the ratings.
I'm not sure I buy into the idea that Law&Order viewers are also Project Runway (or even Top Chef) viewers. BTW, does Top Chef do near as well as Project Runway in the ratings?
