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Originally posted by Obveeus:
Yep. All the 'big money' is in touring. Music making has been gutted by i-tunes and Napster changing the focus of music from Albums that tell 'stories' into singles that are used as telephone ringer jingles.

The 'big money' for artists has always been in concerts, they earn very little on album sales.

Tis is true. And most of the new "big stars" are coming out of the urban R&B/Hip-Hop arena.

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Originally posted by Zitrone:

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Originally posted by Obveeus:
Yep. All the 'big money' is in touring. Music making has been gutted by i-tunes and Napster changing the focus of music from Albums that tell 'stories' into singles that are used as telephone ringer jingles.

The 'big money' for artists has always been in concerts, they earn very little on album sales.

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Idol Tuesday night for the first time did better than its comparable show a year ago-though by only 1%. Wed. night is down maybe 1-2 percent from the same show a year ago. 18-49 numbers are showing a slightly wide discrepancy but "Idol" has to be pleased that it has stemmed the ratings erosion. The audition eps were down 11-12 percent year over year.

Interesting -- I wonder if this trend will continue. AI has had an easier time of it so far this year, since the other networks had most of their big guns with no ammo, so it will be curious to see how AI fares when NCIS and Criminal Minds originals return, and in the occasional head-to-head battle with DWTS, which ABC is still desperately trying to only do when it absolutely has no other choice...

Creating a "Top Chef" is not the same as creating a 'star'.

The players in these game may WANT to hit stardom, but it not the POINT of those games/shows.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
Survivor, TAR, Top Chef, etc... are only there to find a winner to their contest/game.

Top Chef isn't there to create a 'top chef'. The Apprentice isn't there to create the next fortune 500 CEO? Project Runway isn't there to create the next great fashion designer?

I think you kid yourself if you claim that shows like Survivor and Big Brother are not trying to create entertainment personalities. The bulk of their cast is there for that exact reason.

You are also trying to kid yourself if you think that America's Next Top Model is merely on the air to create the next Supermodel. That overly simplistic claim would be as accurate as claiming that How I Met Your Mother is a show about some guy meeting his kids mommy and that the show is mistitled if it doesn't introduce her in the first episode.

Just wondering, has ANTM been against AI in the past? If so, what has it's numbers been like?

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
Creating a "Top Chef" is not the same as creating a 'star'.

What does a 'top chef' do? If the answer is that they work in a restaurant as a chef, then Top Model is certainly a major success since a large number of the contestants, not just the winners, are working models afterwards.

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Originally posted by yankeesrj12:
Just wondering, has ANTM been against AI in the past? If so, what has it's numbers been like?

I don't have exact numbers, but they've been up against each other in previous Springs as well, since AI has had this trend of airing on Weds at 8pm before switching to 9pm later in the season. And ANTM's numbers were higher then -- I'm sure there's some audience overlap, but I'm not sure it's the only/main reason for the drop-off.

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Originally posted by yankeesrj12:
Just wondering, has ANTM been against AI in the past? If so, what has it's numbers been like?

Yes, it has aired against the 2-hour AI's in the past. Ratings were much better last year. This Cycle, ANTM seems to be down by about the same big percentage drop as the rest of the network.

Yeah unfortunately Blake's first single didn't do well enough to warrant decent CD sales and once the first song bombs there usually is not 2nd single.
I'd go as far as to say Jordin's radio airplay success is bigger than any other idol winner at POP radio, at least from their debut album (Kelly exploded after her 2nd album got released, Carrie's mostly been country and of course huge at that format with some pop crossover)

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Originally posted by Rodney:
Idol Tuesday night for the first time did better than its comparable show a year ago-though by only 1%. Wed. night is down maybe 1-2 percent from the same show a year ago. 18-49 numbers are showing a slightly wide discrepancy but "Idol" has to be pleased that it has stemmed the ratings erosion. The audition eps were down 11-12 percent year over year.

As for "Idol" last year not creating stars (and it was indeed a pretty dull year overall), I am going to defend Jordin Sparks. Her first single "Tattoo" went top 5, her second one "No Air" is on its way to doing even better. Combined, those two songs have sold nearly 2 million downloads on top of 539K in record sales. Her demo isn't buying full records to any great degree so you have to measure her success by other metrics as well. And so far, she's doing just fine. Blake Lewis, the runner up, however, is struggling, no surprise there. But you'll be seeing "Idol" pimp him out tonight.

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Originally posted by Chimera:

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
NA did a 13.5 mill on Tuesday, so I would not be surprised if the numbers were very close again tonight

I'm expecting around 11-12 million viewers. You have to expect a little drop off from the premiere. Likely, LOSt will keep dropping as well.

I expect a photo finish in the viewers -- NA is probably going to drop under 13 million, which is where LOST was at last week. In the demo, unless NA actually improves on its Tuesday demo of 4.5 (unlikely), or LOST drops by almost a full point over its previous season low (also unlikely), LOST should win out in the demo...

To be more specific, here are my predictions for tonight's hotly contested 9pm timeslot:

LOST (ABC)
Viewers: 13.46 million (#1); A18-49: 5.6 (#1)

New Amsterdam (FOX)
Viewers: 12.77 million (#2); A18-49: 4.4 (#2)

CSI (CBS)
Viewers: 11.34 million (#3); A18-49: 2.9 (#4)

Celebrity Apprentice (NBC)
Viewers: 7.43 million (#4); A18-49: 3.1 (#3)

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The American public lost that war. The drive to be able to easily steal music has resulted in a music industry that is a shell of what it once was. You get what you pay for and currently, people are stuck with not much in the way of music quality at all. Napster, i-tunes, etc... definitely did not benefit the world's ears/minds.

it is not the people's fault, it's the greedy record companies over charging the people for CDs, with only one or two good songs. In the 90's new CDs were around $15. With the new found popularity of DVDs in the late 90s, people realized that it costs more for the soundtrack of a movie then the actual movie. The people were fed up paying $15+ for only one or two good songs and a bunch of filler. (for a CD that takes pennies to produce). People found a way to avoid the filler and just get the one or two good songs. Instead of embracing the technology initally and making it work., they tried to fight it with subpoenas, which failed and left a bad taste in the mouth of some music loving people. Even to this day CDs are still overpriced $10-$15, which is why sales are dropping every year.

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Yeah unfortunately Blake's first single didn't do well enough to warrant decent CD sales and once the first song bombs there usually is not 2nd single.

What kind of music did Blake choose for his record? I remember he had a couple of songs during the show that I would have bought right there on the spot.

As far a traditional album sales go, Kelly is the champ. The numbers are millions:

Kelly 9.5
Carrie 8.2
Clay 4.7
Chris 3.8
Ruben 2.5
Fantasia 2.3
Taylor .7
Jordin .6

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Originally posted by tvchtw:
Yeah unfortunately Blake's first single didn't do well enough to warrant decent CD sales and once the first song bombs there usually is not 2nd single.
I'd go as far as to say Jordin's radio airplay success is bigger than any other idol winner at POP radio, at least from their debut album (Kelly exploded after her 2nd album got released, Carrie's mostly been country and of course huge at that format with some pop crossover)

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Originally posted by Rodney:
Idol Tuesday night for the first time did better than its comparable show a year ago-though by only 1%. Wed. night is down maybe 1-2 percent from the same show a year ago. 18-49 numbers are showing a slightly wide discrepancy but "Idol" has to be pleased that it has stemmed the ratings erosion. The audition eps were down 11-12 percent year over year.

As for "Idol" last year not creating stars (and it was indeed a pretty dull year overall), I am going to defend Jordin Sparks. Her first single "Tattoo" went top 5, her second one "No Air" is on its way to doing even better. Combined, those two songs have sold nearly 2 million downloads on top of 539K in record sales. Her demo isn't buying full records to any great degree so you have to measure her success by other metrics as well. And so far, she's doing just fine. Blake Lewis, the runner up, however, is struggling, no surprise there. But you'll be seeing "Idol" pimp him out tonight.

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The 'big money' for artists has always been in concerts, they earn very little on album sales.

And they earn less with each new recording format--they get a much smaller percentage of DVD profits than they did of LP and Cassette profits, according to interviews I've read with prominent musicians.

The music biz was scamming the consumers AND the artists. The artists couldn't do anything about it. The consumers could.

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Originally posted by Remote Controller:
it is not the people's fault,

True, it is only the fault of the people that steal. Unfortunately everyone paid the price.

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it's the greedy record companies over charging the people for CDs, with only one or two good songs.

No one forced anyone to buy a CD i fthey didn't want to buy it. If you don't want to own the CD, don't buy it. If you want to own a CD for just one song, then consider that tou are paying for the one song and getting the rest of the CD for free. Why didn't you just buy the CD single if you honestly didn't want the other songs?

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The people were fed up paying $15+ for only one or two good songs and a bunch of filler. (for a CD that takes pennies to produce). People found a way to avoid the filler and just get the one or two good songs.

People found a way to steal. Qe are not talking about basic food/services here. We are talking about something that is a 'luxury item' unneeded in life. if you cannot afford to pay for it, the solution is to NOT own it. Stealing isn't 'ok' simply because you believe the product to be overpriced. I personally think that the cheesecake at The Cheescake Factory is overpriced. By your logic, it would be ok for me to just go in there and take some.

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Even to this day CDs are still overpriced $10-$15, which is why sales are dropping every year.

The fact that you think $10 is overpiced for a CD full of music shows how cheap (or maybe just clueless) you are. What do you think people paid 20 years ago for an Album that had even less music on it? If you think it is overpriced, don't buy it. As a consumer, you are not entitled to set the price. You are only entitled to decide what you are willing to pay for a product. If you don't like the price that is offered, don't own the product.