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quote: Originally posted by John Tae:
Anyone notice who owns Youtube? It's not going to be Napster 2.0 this time around. In any case the Recording industry may have won the Battle, but they lost the War.
The American public lost that war. The drive to be able to easily steal music has resulted in a music industry that is a shell of what it once was. You get what you pay for and currently, people are stuck with not much in the way of music quality at all. Napster, i-tunes, etc... definitely did not benefit the world's ears/minds. |
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I think Brooke White might have some success as an indie singer, which she actually does rather well (check her out on YouTube), but as for the big divas like Carly and Syesha...well, AI has had more of its fair share of big belters, hasn't it? quote: Originally posted by Zitrone: quote: Originally posted by whatsonpop:
I think the jury is still out on Jordin Sparks. She's had one big hit so far and I was just reading on billboard that her latest song broke into the top 10. We'll see. She may be around longer than originally thought.
Interesting. But none of the current contestants strikes me as a future pop star. And the young David will probably win, even though few people would actually buy his records. They should really raise the age limit.
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quote: Originally posted by Obveeus: quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic:
NA did a 13.5 mill on Tuesday, so I would not be surprised if the numbers were very close again tonight
I'm expecting around 11-12 million viewers. You have to expect a little drop off from the premiere. Likely, LOSt will keep dropping as well.
I expect a photo finish in the viewers -- NA is probably going to drop under 13 million, which is where LOST was at last week. In the demo, unless NA actually improves on its Tuesday demo of 4.5 (unlikely), or LOST drops by almost a full point over its previous season low (also unlikely), LOST should win out in the demo... |
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quote: Originally posted by Chimera: quote: Originally posted by Zitrone: quote: Originally posted by Chimera:
I agree that the fact that none of the winners (or other contestants, for that matter) have actually become a "top model" must play at least some role in the lower interest for ANTM.
Do you think the same thing could happen to AI? Last season didn't create any new star.
No, not immediately. My point is that ANTM has never had a contestant excel at what the show is purpoted to do: discovering America's Next Top Model. And that's after, what, 7 or 8 cycles. On the other hand, while AI has had its share of flops (Taylor Hicks being the biggest, but also Ruben Studdard and Fantasia Burrino), some of the winners and contestants have hit it really big (Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, Daughtry, etc). But I said it before, that if Kelly had lost out to talentless Justin Guarrini in AI's first season, AI would have never become so huge. Kelly Clarkson's success validated AI, and then the snowball became that much bigger. But if it goes through a few more seasons with no talent hitting it big, you'll see its decline (which is already in slow progress) intensify. For now, it's still, alas, the biggest show on television.
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don't forget about Elizabeth Hasselback quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic: quote: How many former The Apprentice, Survivor, Big Brother, Project Runway, or whatever cast members are ever heard from again? It seems like only American Idol can keep any of their contestants in the national spotlight after the show ends.
Survivor has done pretty well with launch post game careers. Richard Hatch was doing OK untill the Feds got him. Rupert is still in demand with Charity events and public speaking. Danni (Guatemala) has been doing sports TV. I know she did a Fantasy Football program on ESPN Colby has done commercial work Of course, there is always Rob and Amber.
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quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic:
Survivor has done pretty well with launch post game careers.
Notice that all the people you mentioned (except for Danni who was already in that career before the show) are from before the last All-Star season? And people like Colby/Rupert/Hatch really aren't 'stars' or Nationally relevant by any means. Certainly, no more so than the ANTM cast members. The biggest/only star that Survivor ever created was Elisabeth Hasselbeck. Oddly enough, when she moved on from that E! fashion show to her gig on The View, her replacement was the winner of ANTM Cycle 2. The next closest person to stardom from Survivor is, unfortunately, Johnny Fairplay...and he is currently hooked up with another former cast member from ANTM. |
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BB didn't do so well- but I did laugh at Alison...poor girl got voted out unaminously not once, but TWICE in 5 minutes! And I wonder who wrote Julie's script last night- they got in a good shot when she said things about "Matt and Natalie's relationship going south..." (a wink about the oral sex incident without actually mentioning it).
As to who comes back? Alex likely, Amanda possibly (these are the two I'm seeing mentioned on the BB message boards- I'd prefer Amanda over Alex because if Alex came back in and a woman goes next week, the women will get Pagonged by the men)-- but Jen if producer Alison Groener has her way (she probably would like the "lovebirds reunited" storyline like she did the Dick/Dani storyline- people can vote all week on the returnee, and if you get a "Ryan is missing Jen" edit on the show Sunday, you know that's what the producers are angling for...
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quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic:
Survivor is just a game, but a few former players have done OK in the transistion to stardom.
Are you honestly claiming that the people that go on Survivor, Big Brother, The Bachelor, etc.. aren't largely people trying to create entertainment careers for themselves? When they all sign up with agents before their shows even air, is it just to avoid having to personally take phonecalls for car dealership signings and 'charity' fundraisers? |
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 IIRC, Danni was in Sprots Radio at the time and Survivor helped her get into TV. But, thats not the point of Survivor , is it? The shows that should be looked at are simlar AI shows like "Nashville Star" quote: Originally posted by Obveeus: quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic:
Survivor has done pretty well with launch post game careers.
Notice that all the people you mentioned (except for Danni who was already in that career before the show) are from before the last All-Star season? And people like Colby/Rupert/Hatch really aren't 'stars' or Nationally relevant by any means. Certainly, no more so than the ANTM cast members. The biggest/only star that Survivor ever created was Elisabeth Hasselbeck. Oddly enough, when she moved on from that E! fashion show to her gig on The View, her replacement was the winner of ANTM Cycle 2. The next closest person to stardom from Survivor is, unfortunately, Johnny Fairplay...and he is currently hooked up with another former cast member from ANTM.
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quote: The American public lost that war. The drive to be able to easily steal music has resulted in a music industry that is a shell of what it once was. You get what you pay for and currently, people are stuck with not much in the way of music quality at all. Napster, i-tunes, etc... definitely did not benefit the world's ears/minds.
So popular music was reaching new artistic heights in the period just before MP3's came along?  Personally, I'd say MTV deserves a lot more of the blame--and the music industry itself is the real culprit. The reason, we should recall, that so many people are resorting to downloads is that most albums have only one song anyone wants to hear, and nobody wants to shell out 20 bucks or so for one song. I've never used Napster or any of that ilk, and I use iTunes infrequently--most of my music collection is still on LP's. VINYL FOREVER!!  |
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I think with what happened innitially with Richard Hatch, puts false stardom in all those contestants eyes. But some do truely make something out of their chance. What ever the result of these shws are, doesn't matter, the POINT to AI is to create a Pop Star. Survivor, TAR, Top Chef, etc... are only there to find a winner to their contest/game. quote: Originally posted by Obveeus: quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic:
Survivor is just a game, but a few former players have done OK in the transistion to stardom.
Are you honestly claiming that the people that go on Survivor, Big Brother, The Bachelor, etc.. aren't largely people trying to create entertainment careers for themselves? When they all sign up with agents before their shows even air, is it just to avoid having to personally take phonecalls for car dealership signings and 'charity' fundraisers?
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| Posts: 15741 | Location: Indiana | Registered: 20 September 2006 | |
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I think a new band will do what ever it takes, but established music acts are not eager to release new music. Since I am a BIG KISS fan, I know they may not ever make new music because there now very little money availabel because of the file swapping and illegal downloads. Thats why they've gon the Video/DVD route the last few years. quote: Originally posted by Obveeus: quote: Originally posted by John Tae:
Anyone notice who owns Youtube? It's not going to be Napster 2.0 this time around. In any case the Recording industry may have won the Battle, but they lost the War.
The American public lost that war. The drive to be able to easily steal music has resulted in a music industry that is a shell of what it once was. You get what you pay for and currently, people are stuck with not much in the way of music quality at all. Napster, i-tunes, etc... definitely did not benefit the world's ears/minds.
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| Posts: 15741 | Location: Indiana | Registered: 20 September 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic:
Survivor, TAR, Top Chef, etc... are only there to find a winner to their contest/game.
Top Chef isn't there to create a 'top chef'. The Apprentice isn't there to create the next fortune 500 CEO? Project Runway isn't there to create the next great fashion designer? I think you kid yourself if you claim that shows like Survivor and Big Brother are not trying to create entertainment personalities. The bulk of their cast is there for that exact reason. You are also trying to kid yourself if you think that America's Next Top Model is merely on the air to create the next Supermodel. That overly simplistic claim would be as accurate as claiming that How I Met Your Mother is a show about some guy meeting his kids mommy and that the show is mistitled if it doesn't introduce her in the first episode. |
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quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic:
I think a new band will do what ever it takes, but established music acts are not eager to release new music.
Since I am a BIG KISS fan, I know they may not ever make new music because there now very little money availabel because of the file swapping and illegal downloads. Thats why they've gon the Video/DVD route the last few years.
Yep. All the 'big money' is in touring. Music making has been gutted by i-tunes and Napster changing the focus of music from Albums that tell 'stories' into singles that are used as telephone ringer jingles. For that matter, the dominance of almost anything American Idol related in the music industry is a big representation of the industry losing focus on musical ability. Over the last couple of years, there are almost as many new music 'superstars' coming out of American Idol as their are coming out of the rest of the population combined. |
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