NA did a 13.5 mill on Tuesday, so I would not be surprised if the numbers were very close again tonight.

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
If DFTL can beat LOST, it should be easy for New Amsterdam.

No. The DFtL crowd doesn't like any 'deep thought'. Most likely, they will return to watching CSI.

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Also, unlike AI where we see where their career goes once they get the ANTM crown don't really hear anything from them except for the one who married the brady and now has her own show....

I agree that the fact that none of the winners (or other contestants, for that matter) have actually become a "top model" must play at least some role in the lower interest for ANTM.

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Originally posted by Naleyfanforver:
what was the issue with that again? Tyra knew her before the casting? I can't remember exactly.

A double whammy:
1. Tyra knew her before since she was part of Tyra's T-Zone camp and having her win was a way to promote that camp.
2. She was already in a national commercial, which meant she was not eligible according to the rules of the show.

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Also, unlike AI where we see where their career goes once they get the ANTM crown don't really hear anything from them except for the one who married the brady and now has her own show....

Another one just popped out a kid with Johnny Fairplay from Survivor fame. There is a current Chili's commercial running on TV featuring Mercedes from Cycle #2. Another one of them is on MTV in the mornings as a DJ...apparently ported over from the MTV college station where she is the regular DJ. Most of them just go off to doing print/runway modeling work, so of course we aren't ever going to hear from them again. How many former The Apprentice, Survivor, Big Brother, Project Runway, or whatever cast members are ever heard from again? It seems like only American Idol can keep any of their contestants in the national spotlight after the show ends.

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Originally posted by Seat42f:
Lost vs New Amsterdam tonight...

How close is it going to be???

Not at all. Thursday Idol does worse than the Tues/Weds editions, and on Tuesday, NA did poorer than DFTL did last Thursday post-Idol.

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Originally posted by Chimera:
I agree that the fact that none of the winners (or other contestants, for that matter) have actually become a "top model" must play at least some role in the lower interest for ANTM.

Do you think the same thing could happen to AI? Last season didn't create any new star.

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Originally posted by TravisYanan:
Fast National Ratings for Wednesday, March 5th, 2008.

BTW, Travis, thanks for the ratings. Hopefully Marc's leave is not the result of bad tidings.

No, I don't think so. He asked well in advance. But I hope not, too!

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Originally posted by Obveeus:
How many former The Apprentice, Survivor, Big Brother, Project Runway, or whatever cast members are ever heard from again?

Rob and Amber had segments on The Early Show, a reality show, and now one hosted by Rob. Aside from that, Will from BB had (has?) his own show, Danni of Survivor: Guatemala hosts a news program, and JFP is somewhat famous.

I think the jury is still out on Jordin Sparks. She's had one big hit so far and I was just reading on billboard that her latest song broke into the top 10. We'll see. She may be around longer than originally thought.

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Originally posted by Chimera:
I agree that the fact that none of the winners (or other contestants, for that matter) have actually become a "top model" must play at least some role in the lower interest for ANTM.

Do you think the same thing could happen to AI? Last season didn't create any new star.

Lets face reality, the current ratings system like the people who run the networks are out of touch with reality.

There's a growing population that never or rarely watches "live" tv. DVR's are now ubiquitous in all big city cable and satellite provider boxes. It's a population density thing that's going to skew your ratings every time.

There's also a huge and growing data base for current shows to be ripped from online data bases. It's laughable how easy it is to watch last night's episode online whether the networks want it available or not. The 22inch LCD flat screen on my desk has great Video resolution.

With the ever increasing availability of huge broadband pipes to the home the process of acquiring video entertainment has changed. In the not too distant future the Networks are going to have a Real fight with the Production studios. One day soon many of the production companies will be asking themselves why go through middle men networks when you can go direct to the customer? Product placement and direct sponsorship will play an ever growing role.

It's 1999 for the networks, basically where the recording industry was before they took the wrong fork in the road.

It's ultimately a numbers games, the US entertainment industry is a $150 Billion a year business and the Telecom/Data/Computer industry is a $2 Trillion a Year business. Hell even the advertisers aren't on the Entertainment industry's side.

If ViaCom refuses to run BMW adds ViaCom loses a Core revenue source. BMW advertises on TV to entice new and returning customers to think about their products. So if ViaCom cuts them off they lose a valuable source of touting their product. A definite pain for growth.

Google Cuts off BMW because of a tiff and BMW no longer exists in the Google sphere. Thus people who are already interested in BMW can't get easy access to BMW info, which leaves an opening for other manufacturers to creep in.

Which is the worse case scenario?

Ultimately even the advertisers will have to toe the line with the companies that can do them the most harm.

Anyone notice who owns Youtube? It's not going to be Napster 2.0 this time around. In any case the Recording industry may have won the Battle, but they lost the War.

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
NA did a 13.5 mill on Tuesday, so I would not be surprised if the numbers were very close again tonight

I'm expecting around 11-12 million viewers. You have to expect a little drop off from the premiere. Likely, LOSt will keep dropping as well.

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How many former The Apprentice, Survivor, Big Brother, Project Runway, or whatever cast members are ever heard from again? It seems like only American Idol can keep any of their contestants in the national spotlight after the show ends.

Survivor has done pretty well with launch post game careers.

Richard Hatch was doing OK untill the Feds got him.

Rupert is still in demand with Charity events and public speaking.

Danni (Guatemala) has been doing sports TV. I know she did a Fantasy Football program on ESPN

Colby has done commercial work

Of course, there is always Rob and Amber.

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Originally posted by Chimera:
I agree that the fact that none of the winners (or other contestants, for that matter) have actually become a "top model" must play at least some role in the lower interest for ANTM.

Do you think the same thing could happen to AI? Last season didn't create any new star.

No, not immediately. My point is that ANTM has never had a contestant excel at what the show is purpoted to do: discovering America's Next Top Model. And that's after, what, 7 or 8 cycles. On the other hand, while AI has had its share of flops (Taylor Hicks being the biggest, but also Ruben Studdard and Fantasia Burrino), some of the winners and contestants have hit it really big (Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, Daughtry, etc). But I said it before, that if Kelly had lost out to talentless Justin Guarrini in AI's first season, AI would have never become so huge. Kelly Clarkson's success validated AI, and then the snowball became that much bigger. But if it goes through a few more seasons with no talent hitting it big, you'll see its decline (which is already in slow progress) intensify. For now, it's still, alas, the biggest show on television.

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Originally posted by RoyBoyCF:
Rob and Amber had segments on The Early Show, a reality show, and now one hosted by Rob. Aside from that, Will from BB had (has?) his own show, Danni of Survivor: Guatemala hosts a news program, and JFP is somewhat famous.

If you are going to scrap that far down in search of 'stardom' then ANTM has produced a bunch of star models. I think I will stick with the original statement that only American Idol is producing cast members with any lasting National popularity.

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Originally posted by whatsonpop:
I think the jury is still out on Jordin Sparks. She's had one big hit so far and I was just reading on billboard that her latest song broke into the top 10. We'll see. She may be around longer than originally thought.

Interesting. But none of the current contestants strikes me as a future pop star. And the young David will probably win, even though few people would actually buy his records. They should really raise the age limit.

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Originally posted by RoyBoyCF:
Rob and Amber had segments on The Early Show, a reality show, and now one hosted by Rob. Aside from that, Will from BB had (has?) his own show, Danni of Survivor: Guatemala hosts a news program, and JFP is somewhat famous.

If you are going to scrap that far down in search of 'stardom' then ANTM has produced a bunch of star models. I think I will stick with the original statement that only American Idol is producing cast members with any lasting National popularity.

But that is the point to AI. To make a star.

Survivor is just a game, but a few former players have done OK in the transistion to stardom.