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Originally posted by pisher:

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scc demo would be good sans the fact that it's more expensive to produce....so 3.1 is a good demo but not for their budget...some ur half right I guess

And let's not forget, 3.1 isn't their everyweek demo rating--

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by whatsonpop:
Who are the critics that hate it? The only critics I listen to are people who have watched it from the beginning and have a point of reference. I have seen every episode of PB and felt season 2 was a disappointment. That being said, even the worst episodes of PB are much better than most of the crap on television.

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Originally posted by Zitrone:

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Thank you for proving my point. PB is doing better in demos than SCC although PB in its third season

No it is not? Certainly not in season average, even if SCC season was (too) short to really compare.
And yes PB is struggling in its third season, no real reason to renew it for a fourth.

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And PB it's still one of the best dramas currently in TV.

It is not even the best drama on FOX Monday, and the few TV critics who still watch the show hate it. It was great in season 1, but has become ridiculous since the first escape. It is just not the type of show that can go on and on.

SCC on the other hand could get a 13-episodes order for next year, like some have suggested here, to see if ratings can go back up a bit more.

Well said. And IMO the first half of the second season was very good just the last 9 episodes were really bad

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You're right, the everyweek demo ratings were higher. Only once did it drop below 3.1.

Granted, with it's consistent decline, it would be unlikely to stay over 3.0 if it's renewed..

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Originally posted by Naleyfanforver:
Attached is the link of the letter from the actor concerning the fate of the show. (again, not sure if real or not)

I don't think that it is real. It is just a hyperactive response to The Game not getting early renewal. If CW wants to cancel The Game, they don't have to 'try' to do it...and any show they cancel or renew is not proof of racism. the CW (and UPN before it) have been the only networks to promote African American entertainment in a long time. Side note: I find it extremely pathetic that people are now calling race into the issue of these shows being cancelled instead of being smart enough to realize that the racial aspects of the shows are the only reason they were still on the air to begin with. Without that niche audience appeal for advertisers, these sitcoms low ratings would have had them cancelled much sooner.

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Originally posted by terminate isher please:

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Actually 3.1 is not such a great demo. It skewes older than PB.

Oh, you're talking about that percentage thing that NO ONE cares about.

Even in raw numbers PB did better in demos. Most of the new episodes got 3.2-3.3 in demos. Just on episode fell below 3 in demos. And yeah that percentage is also showing SCC skewing older. Not that it really makes a difference, but 3.1 is not such a good demo like some were saying.

scc demo would be good sans the fact that it's more expensive to produce....so 3.1 is a good demo but not for their budget...some ur half right I guess

In a zap2it interview, creator Josh Friedman indicated that SCC isn't all that expensive:

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You know it's not actually an expensive show to produce. In fact, I think we're below the budget of many action shows that are on TV right now. In fact, our budget is much more in line with your basic drama that you would find on any network. So I don't think that cost at this point plays much of a factor.

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2008/03/interview-josh.html

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Originally posted by terminate isher please:

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SCC is in real danger. 7.98 million viewers on a Monday is not good enough.

7.98 viewers on a Monday, for a season finale, with far weaker competition than it would face next season, after being heavily promoted on the highest-rated Superbowl ever.


pisher just wants scc to be renewed so it can become his new moronica mars

But it hadn't run a full season, and given the size of its investment in SCC, FOX could definitely go ahead and renew it.

Once.

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Originally posted by terminate isher please:

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Originally posted by Holly:
In a zap2it interview, creator Josh Friedman indicated that SCC isn't all that expensive:

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You know it's not actually an expensive show to produce. In fact, I think we're below the budget of many action shows that are on TV right now. In fact, our budget is much more in line with your basic drama that you would find on any network. So I don't think that cost at this point plays much of a factor.

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2008/03/interview-josh.html

of course he's gonna say that...he wants it renewed....I'm a fan of both pb and scc but I realize that prison break has 1 season left in it tops and scc won't get a full 22-episode order next year...I'll be happy with 13 episodes, cause I think if it does get renewed it probably will only receive 8 or 9 as it did this year, and then be canceled

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Originally posted by Naleyfanforver:
no way related to last night's shows or ratings but I was just reading a letter from someone on the CW show The Game saying the network was in fact trying to cancel the show. The actor was asking the site to post the information in the hopes the fans ask the network to renew. Not sure if true or not but if that's the case would that just leave EBHC the only comedy?

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Originally posted by dumont:
So that means it's likely an "Aliens in America" vs "The Game" decision to be made.

While "The Game" out-rates "Aliens", the latter is a more compatible high school comedy to go with EHC.

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Originally posted by Holly:
Unless you have evidence to show that he is lying, I'm going with his statement.

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There is plenty of evidence for viewers of the show. The two hour premiere looked costly to make, but the episodes since then have not looked expensive at all. The shootout in the finale was represented by people jumping into a swimming pool and the explosive final moment was not really shown, either. Clearly, Terminator:SCC has contained its cost problems from the premiere and has worked more on the plotline development instead.

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Originally posted by Lost_Dom:
Looks like the second hour didn't do all that bad.