Originally posted by TV-aholic: I would not be surprised if Time Warner getsout of this partnership, with CBS, before next Fall.
I always thought it was Warner Brothers that could've made the CW a more succesful venture but Moonves got in control and the youth-obsessed idiotic moves quickly began. First Everwood. Then the pickup of Veronica Mars. Then the sidelining of half of the successful UPN sitcoms. Then the decision to bring back 7th Heaven with the most diluted cast ever. Then the decision to show favoritism to UPN pilots over the superior WB pilots (mainly Aquaman). Then the decisions to put Reba on Sundays at 7:30 and not use it as an opportunity to launch help out the other comedies through encoring.
To be clear, I completely agree that OR is dead on ABC -- I said as much many times, even earlier in this thread. My point is that its fanbase, ratings size, subject matter, and stars make it a compatible fit for the CW.
Originally posted by Obveeus: CW doesn't want October Road. ABC doesn't want October Road. If ABC could have a do-over, they would never have renewed October Road in the first place. It is completely illogical for anyone to believe that October Road will move to CW.
personally I don't see it happening but it's a nice thought. I would LOVE to see the CW pick up Moonlight (since it's not looking so good for them) but after listening to everyone here when this topic comes up this isn't something networks really do. It's nice to dream though.
Not to be pushy but did anyone see my previous question about the comedies on the CW, are they really going to only have one left (EBHC)? Does this tie into the network letting go of some of their staff....
I could see Moonshite being a good pairing for Supernatural or even Reaper on Cdub, but that won't happen imo either. Moonves is more likely to just can it and try his next "youthful" pilot.
Originally posted by Naleyfanforver: Not to be pushy but did anyone see my previous question about the comedies on the CW, are they really going to only have one left (EBHC)? Does this tie into the network letting go of some of their staff....
The Game is really a part of the CBS Studios. Warner Bros just had their nametag on it as part of the 'CW' merger situation. I'm not sure that the CW comedy staff did anything other than 'coordinate marketing'. Given how poorly the CW marketing has been, cancelling those jobs makes sense. I think that EHC was given early renewal because they are already done filming this season. An early renewal gets them going for next year rather than working on their resumes. The Game still has episodes to film this year, so there is no need to 'early renew' them until they are finished up with those episodes. I still expect The Game to get renewed by end of May, as would be 'normal'.
Originally posted by CaseyM: SCC is in real danger. 7.98 million viewers on a Monday is not good enough.
bull...prison break this season got less than that all but once....the no. of viewers don't mean squat just the demo (just ask close to home and the class fans)....scc gets the same demo as pb, the only difference is prison break costs less to produce so fox has to decide whether it's worth their while to bring something that's more expensive back that has the potential to still gain new viewers versus prison break where it costs less to produce but at the same time won't gain any new viewers, and even if they do, it will be a million at the most whereas scc can still probably gain a good 2-5 million next season with the right retooling/scheudling...My prediction: prison break returns for 13-16 episodes till 24 starts or is renenwed for a full 22 fox will say it's the final season no matter what...and scc gets a 13-episode order at best and either replaces 24 or is placed with 24 and held till midseason
Originally posted by robert: Actually 3.1 is not such a great demo. It skewes older than PB.
Oh, you're talking about that percentage thing that NO ONE cares about.
Even in raw numbers PB did better in demos. Most of the new episodes got 3.2-3.3 in demos. Just on episode fell below 3 in demos. And yeah that percentage is also showing SCC skewing older. Not that it really makes a difference, but 3.1 is not such a good demo like some were saying.
scc demo would be good sans the fact that it's more expensive to produce....so 3.1 is a good demo but not for their budget...some ur half right I guess
Originally posted by terminate isher please: My prediction: prison break returns for 13-16 episodes till 24 starts or is renenwed for a full 22 fox will say it's the final season no matter what...and scc gets a 13-episode order at best and either replaces 24 or is placed with 24 and held till midseason
I agree that both may return, but if FOX goes that route I think it would be in their best interests to air T:SCC in the Fall while momentum is still there for the series. Prison Break could be held off until next spring since the viewers it has are 'long term' and more likely to come back after an extended break.
Originally posted by Naleyfanforver: Not to be pushy but did anyone see my previous question about the comedies on the CW, are they really going to only have one left (EBHC)? Does this tie into the network letting go of some of their staff....
The Game is really a part of the CBS Studios. Warner Bros just had their nametag on it as part of the 'CW' merger situation. I'm not sure that the CW comedy staff did anything other than 'coordinate marketing'. Given how poorly the CW marketing has been, cancelling those jobs makes sense. I think that EHC was given early renewal because they are already done filming this season. An early renewal gets them going for next year rather than working on their resumes. The Game still has episodes to film this year, so there is no need to 'early renew' them until they are finished up with those episodes. I still expect The Game to get renewed by end of May, as would be 'normal'.
Attached is the link of the letter from the actor concerning the fate of the show. (again, not sure if real or not)
WAY off topic but needed to vent, anyone see or read the article concerning the marine who video taped himself throwing a puppy of a cliff. WOW SICK PEOPLE!!
Originally posted by A.C.: Why can't we have both. PRISON BREAK for the fall..TERMINATOR for the winter and PRISON BREAK reclaiming the slot come spring?
Because PB has been going nowhere creatively for 1.5 season, and its ratings have fallen every year. But you are right, FOX could probably renew it one more year, SCC just has (a bit) more potential.
and lost has? come on, be serious here....I enjoy prison break immensely and am giving lost a second chance after they lost me in season two by re-watching the episodes on abc.com with limited commericals...the first three episodes were great but the 2 after that were so boring except the ending of the fifth episode...you are right scc has more potential but fox will either renew both or just prison break....won't just be scc and won't be neither...prison break has a more devoted fanbase and they would get a jericho backlash (except it might actually be successful unlike jericho's, ratings wise) and scc had a huge erosion from 18 to 7 mill, whereas the highest prison break has ever been is 12 million (for the premiere only I believe), so fox knows what they are getting with prison break (6-7 mill 2.5-3 demo, stong male numbers, good overseas and dvd sales) versus scc(could get anywhere from 5-12 million next year, demo anywhere from 2.0-4.0, unknown how it would do overseas/dvd sales), so it depends how much of a risk they want to take....my guess is they've already lost enough money on scc, so they only bring it back midseason or 13 episodes or not at all
scc demo would be good sans the fact that it's more expensive to produce....so 3.1 is a good demo but not for their budget...some ur half right I guess
And let's not forget, 3.1 isn't their everyweek demo rating--it's the demo rating they got for the heavily hyped season finale, where stuff was blowing up right and left, and who knows what other amazing revelations and developments occurred. Not me, that's for sure. Like 97.5% of Americans, I neither know nor care.
If they bring it back, they can count on demos well below 3.0 most weeks. A 2.5 average, maybe--or maybe that's underestimating how much lower it can go, once it's up against all first-run competition.
So while 3.1 definitely sucks for a show like this on FOX, let's not forget that they can't count on SCC doing that well most weeks.
Originally posted by robert: Actually 3.1 is not such a great demo. It skewes older than PB.
Oh, you're talking about that percentage thing that NO ONE cares about.
Even in raw numbers PB did better in demos. Most of the new episodes got 3.2-3.3 in demos. Just on episode fell below 3 in demos. And yeah that percentage is also showing SCC skewing older. Not that it really makes a difference, but 3.1 is not such a good demo like some were saying.
scc demo would be good sans the fact that it's more expensive to produce....so 3.1 is a good demo but not for their budget...some ur half right I guess
In a zap2it interview, creator Josh Friedman indicated that SCC isn't all that expensive:
quote:
You know it's not actually an expensive show to produce. In fact, I think we're below the budget of many action shows that are on TV right now. In fact, our budget is much more in line with your basic drama that you would find on any network. So I don't think that cost at this point plays much of a factor.
Originally posted by Holly: In a zap2it interview, creator Josh Friedman indicated that SCC isn't all that expensive:
quote:
You know it's not actually an expensive show to produce. In fact, I think we're below the budget of many action shows that are on TV right now. In fact, our budget is much more in line with your basic drama that you would find on any network. So I don't think that cost at this point plays much of a factor.
People here throw the cost argument all the time, yet we have no clue how expensive all those series are. Certainly SCC must save some money on the cast salary, compared to B2Y for example.
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Originally posted by Naleyfanforver: Attached is the link of the letter from the actor concerning the fate of the show. (again, not sure if real or not)
I don't think that it is real. It is just a hyperactive response to The Game not getting early renewal. If CW wants to cancel The Game, they don't have to 'try' to do it...and any show they cancel or renew is not proof of racism. the CW (and UPN before it) have been the only networks to promote African American entertainment in a long time. Side note: I find it extremely pathetic that people are now calling race into the issue of these shows being cancelled instead of being smart enough to realize that the racial aspects of the shows are the only reason they were still on the air to begin with. Without that niche audience appeal for advertisers, these sitcoms low ratings would have had them cancelled much sooner.
