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Originally posted by mackTheKnife:
Who says that Fox can't renew both for 13 or cancel both?

I though CBS and CW were linked. Why would Fox give the CW a show?

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PB is doing better in demos than SCC although PB in its third season and SCC was pushed like no other show by FOX

Only in the last 3 episodes. Before that SCC drew 3.5 in the demos, which is higher than PB ever was this season (it drew 3.4 once).

Yeah and we all remember how many PB episodes had a 40 million lead-in. ZERO.

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Originally posted by robert:
Thank you for proving my point. PB is doing better in demos than SCC although PB in its third season

No it is not? Certainly not in season average, even if SCC season was (too) short to really compare.
And yes PB is struggling in its third season, no real reason to renew it for a fourth.

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And PB it's still one of the best dramas currently in TV.

It is not even the best drama on FOX Monday, and the few TV critics who still watch the show hate it. It was great in season 1, but has become ridiculous since the first escape. It is just not the type of show that can go on and on.

SCC on the other hand could get a 13-episodes order for next year, like some have suggested here, to see if ratings can go back up a bit more.

I completel disagree. This season PB was much better creatively. We are talking about FOX here. Do you think they really HAVE to chose between SCC and PB. Nope. They have room for both. PB is one of their most consistent show. I don't know if I agree that SCC has this growth potential since we have seen none of that. Yeah, it was up this week, but I would assume that has to do with it being the two hour season finale. Right?

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Originally posted by Zitrone:

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Originally posted by robert:
Is this a joke?
SCC is a disaster compared to PB from the ratings point of view. SCC has so much potential that it has lost almost half of the audince in 6 weeks

You mean, SCC would be a smashing success if it had started the season below 8m viewers and 3.3 demo like PB, and never had performed above those levels?

 
Week               Viewers             Demo
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09/17/07            7.51 M              3.3
09/24/07            7.41 M              3.1  
10/01/07            7.29 M              3.1 
10/08/07            7.35 M              3.1
10/22/07            7.44 M              3.0
11/05/07(8pm)       7.69 M              3.3
11/05/07(9pm)       8.00 M              3.4
11/12/07            7.18 M              3.1
01/14/08            7.87 M              3.3
01/21/08            7.83 M              3.1
02/04/08            7.43 M              2.9
02/11/08            7.84 M              3.3
02/18/08            7.37 M              3.1

And it keeps falling from year so year.

SCC ratings of course couldn't stay near its football-fueled premiere, but it is hard to know what would have happened without the strike. For the first time this week, numbers are (slightly) up.

Not to mention, PB has become really bad. Nearly unwatchable compared to its first season. SCC was getting better those last episodes.

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Originally posted by Zitrone:

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Originally posted by robert:
Thank you for proving my point. PB is doing better in demos than SCC although PB in its third season

No it is not? Certainly not in season average, even if SCC season was (too) short to really compare.
And yes PB is struggling in its third season, no real reason to renew it for a fourth.

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And PB it's still one of the best dramas currently in TV.

It is not even the best drama on FOX Monday, and the few TV critics who still watch the show hate it. It was great in season 1, but has become ridiculous since the first escape. It is just not the type of show that can go on and on.

SCC on the other hand could get a 13-episodes order for next year, like some have suggested here, to see if ratings can go back up a bit more.

Well thank you for saying the critics hate it. Now i agree: it sucks

Oh wait, actually if the critics hate it that means it's avery good show. Forgot that

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SCC is in real danger. 7.98 million viewers on a Monday is not good enough.

7.98 viewers on a Monday, for a season finale, with far weaker competition than it would face next season, after being heavily promoted on the highest-rated Superbowl ever.

But it hadn't run a full season, and given the size of its investment in SCC, FOX could definitely go ahead and renew it.

Once.

Plus, the Different production studios do make series for other Nets.

- Criminal Minds is an ABC Studios Production.
- Scrubs is an ABC Studios Production.
- Womens Murder Club is a 20th Century Fox Production.

There is more to their TV companies than just the Networks.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by mackTheKnife:
Who says that Fox can't renew both for 13 or cancel both?

I though CBS and CW were linked. Why would Fox give the CW a show?

FOX does not own the show, it just airs it. Terminator:SCC is a product of Warner Bros Studios...the 'W' in CW.

Not to mention, critical acclaim and rating success = not correlated. (and no, not that that PB deserves to get another season, but quality is not an argument in this context. Especially since neither PB nor SCC will ever win any emmys)

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FOX does not own the show, it just airs it. Terminator:SCC is a product of Warner Bros Studios...the 'W' in CW.

I'm sure if Fox thought that CW wanted SCC they would probably renew it just to spite them. Is PB Fox owned?

Who are the critics that hate it? The only critics I listen to are people who have watched it from the beginning and have a point of reference. I have seen every episode of PB and felt season 2 was a disappointment. That being said, even the worst episodes of PB are much better than most of the crap on television.

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Originally posted by Zitrone:

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Originally posted by robert:
Thank you for proving my point. PB is doing better in demos than SCC although PB in its third season

No it is not? Certainly not in season average, even if SCC season was (too) short to really compare.
And yes PB is struggling in its third season, no real reason to renew it for a fourth.

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And PB it's still one of the best dramas currently in TV.

It is not even the best drama on FOX Monday, and the few TV critics who still watch the show hate it. It was great in season 1, but has become ridiculous since the first escape. It is just not the type of show that can go on and on.

SCC on the other hand could get a 13-episodes order for next year, like some have suggested here, to see if ratings can go back up a bit more.

This sounds like CW fans arguing about Reaper vs. Supernatural and which one should be renewed.

It's not an either/or situation. They could renew both or cancel both.

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Originally posted by whatsonpop:
Who are the critics that hate it? The only critics I listen to are people who have watched it from the beginning and have a point of reference. I have seen every episode of PB and felt season 2 was a disappointment. That being said, even the worst episodes of PB are much better than most of the crap on television.

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Originally posted by Zitrone:

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Originally posted by robert:
Thank you for proving my point. PB is doing better in demos than SCC although PB in its third season

No it is not? Certainly not in season average, even if SCC season was (too) short to really compare.
And yes PB is struggling in its third season, no real reason to renew it for a fourth.

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And PB it's still one of the best dramas currently in TV.

It is not even the best drama on FOX Monday, and the few TV critics who still watch the show hate it. It was great in season 1, but has become ridiculous since the first escape. It is just not the type of show that can go on and on.

SCC on the other hand could get a 13-episodes order for next year, like some have suggested here, to see if ratings can go back up a bit more.

Well said. And IMO the first half of the second season was very good just the last 9 episodes were really bad

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Originally posted by robert:
Well thank you for saying the critics hate it. Now i agree: it sucks

Oh wait, actually if the critics hate it that means it's avery good show. Forgot that

You really want me to go over all the inconsistencies and general silliness in the escape from SONA? Not to mention that the very concept of SONA is even worse than the "company". A prison in Panama where everyone speaks English, and where the guards can shoot anyone on sight? OK...

If you like bad shows, it is understable to dismiss tv critics, but anyone who has watched this series from the first episode can see how poorly written it has become. What a contrast with the meticulous tattoo-guided first escape.

Rules of engagement has never been tried in a lead off position, so you don't know if it can do that. Of course, Christine is the funniest show on the air -- it did hold up well from two and half men this week -- why did that show drop from 12 million the previous week?

Next week, I think we get two christines -- one at 8:30 and again at 9:30. Is that the full run of Captain?

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Originally posted by filmkr27:
Rules of engagement has never been tried in a lead off position, so you don't know if it can do that. Of course, Christine is the funniest show on the air -- it did hold up well from two and half men this week -- why did that show drop from 12 million the previous week?

Next week, I think we get two christines -- one at 8:30 and again at 9:30. Is that the full run of Captain?

At a 5.5 million viewer average. The Captain is gone.

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What a contrast with the meticulous tattoo-guided first escape.

Yes, because it is sane to tattoo things like phone numbers or the name of your escape boat onto your body.

PB always was unrealistic and cheesy, even in its first season. If you like realism or despise plot holes PB was never the show for you.

I tend to think they deserve a medal simple because surviving as well as they did despite having a completely different concept in season 2 and a whole slew of cast shakeups.

If any of that mattered, I would say it deserves 13 more episodes (or 8 or 7) to wrap up its storyline and either continue with a spin off or die in peace.

But, since none of these things matter, I would say it's a coin toss. Doesn't matter if it comes back or not. Whether SCC comes back or not. Whether both come back or neither.

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Originally posted by Chimera:
Oh, and October Road: cancelled any minute now, and should hope that CW can find a way to make it viable on a netlet.

I loved last week's OR. Haven't seen last night's yet but will here soon. I think the show really has potential written all over it yet but its too late and not near enough audience would carry over to the CW to make it feasible to do.

I don't think the CW would want it anyway, all the characters are too old.

I don't think the characters are too old. Most the main characters are in there early and late 20's, same as OTH. Plus, it is cheap so I don't see it out of the realm of possiblities for the CW to look at if ABC doesn't renew it. Only thing that might be a problem is that it is made by ABC...