Originally posted by pisher: This is one show that can't be fixed with good writing.
For one thing, people aren't going to watch a show like this for good writing.
For another, the writing sucks.
Nope. The main story (from the movies, time travel and all) is a bit silly, but the last few episodes have a distinct "Blade Runner" and "Ghost in the Shell" vibe, with the Cameron character evolving. They have done a pretty good job writing all the main characters (except John and that ambulance driver).
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FOX isn't making a dime of profit from this show.
You don't know that, it is unlikely they lose any money; but they could be making more.
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Originally posted by Obveeus:
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Originally posted by Lost_Dom: Looks like the second hour didn't do all that bad.
I suspect the lower first hour was due to some casual fans not knowing that this episode would be two hours long and starting an hour early.
The 9pm slot has more viewers in general, so it is not really surprising. The opposite would have been a very bad sign.
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Originally posted by Zitrone: They have done a pretty good job writing all the main characters (except John and that ambulance driver).
Agreed. It seems rather unfathomable that someone would believe that Sci-Fi/Action programming doesn't still need character and plot development. A movie migth get away with just blowing stuff up for a couple of hours, but any TV series in the genre HAS to have some ongoing reason for people to keep watching.
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FOX isn't making a dime of profit from this show.
You don't know that, it is unlikely they lose any money; but they could be making more.
Technically, it seems likely that all the adspace was sold out before the series ever began airing. How well or even how poorly (barring makegoods) the ratings were wouldn't effect that initial 'income'. I highly doubt that a show is designed/priced to make money in the first half dozen episodes, so it isn't relevant at all. And, like you said, no one here knows what the real pricetag is, so claiming the show is losing money or 'too expensive' is really just about making baseless claims for attention.
Nope. The main story (from the movies, time travel and all) is a bit silly, but the last few episodes have a distinct "Blade Runner" and "Ghost in the Shell" vibe, with the Cameron character evolving. They have done a pretty good job writing all the main characters (except John and that ambulance driver).
You mean except The Boy Who Saves The World?
Seems like a pretty serious problem, and we've had our disagreements about writing in the past, in any event.
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You don't know that, it is unlikely they lose any money; but they could be making more.
No they couldn't. I don't know it for a fact, but of course you don't know what the show's budget is--only that a producer who desperately wants it to stay on the air says it's not as expensive as NPR, the trades, and most industry professionals say it is. And since he doesn't give us a per-ep figure--or any figure--that means slightly less than didley-squat.
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The 9pm slot has more viewers in general, so it is not really surprising. The opposite would have been a very bad sign.
You don't think getting a 3.1 in the demo for the season (possibly series) finale is bad enough?
Originally posted by dumont: So that means it's likely an "Aliens in America" vs "The Game" decision to be made.
While "The Game" out-rates "Aliens", the latter is a more compatible high school comedy to go with EHC.
Aliens in America didn't even get asked back in to finish the production of episodes for this season. I think that is a clear sign that CW values The Game higher than Aliens in America.
I don't think it's a clear sign at all.
The reason "The Game" was asked to film additional episodes was that they hadn't filmed as many as "Aliens in America" had when the strike was called.
For the rest of the 2007-08 season, "Aliens" has 8 fresh episodes remaining all of which are in the can, and "The Game" has 9 fresh episodes coming, all of which are now in production.
Technically, it seems likely that all the adspace was sold out before the series ever began airing. How well or even how poorly (barring makegoods) the ratings were wouldn't effect that initial 'income'. I highly doubt that a show is designed/priced to make money in the first half dozen episodes, so it isn't relevant at all.
1)How exactly do you bar makegoods?
2)Yes, a show like this isn't going to make money in first-run. So think for a moment about what the ratings will be like when (and if) FOX repeats it.
OR is this season's what about brian, though possibly even lower rated
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Originally posted by Obveeus: CW doesn't want October Road. ABC doesn't want October Road. If ABC could have a do-over, they would never have renewed October Road in the first place. It is completely illogical for anyone to believe that October Road will move to CW.
Seems like a pretty serious problem, and we've had our disagreements about writing in the past, in any event.
Not really a problem, John is not the hero here. Sarah Connor is interesting, but Cameron is really the more fascinating character. Of course, it would help if they could make the future leader of mankind less of a whiny teenager.
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Originally posted by pisher: You don't think getting a 3.1 in the demo for the season (possibly series) finale is bad enough?
For a new show on FOX, it is actually not bad at all (minus a post-AI slot like the horrible New Amsterdam is getting). The only question is: what will be the ratings next year? And with only 9 episodes this season, it is difficult to answer.
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Originally posted by Lost_Dom: Here's the petition again for those of you that may of missed it.
Not really a problem, John is not the hero here. Sarah Connor is interesting, but Cameron is really the more fascinating character.
So the star is a robot, played robotically, by a former heroine of a FOX genre show that was canceled after they had shot 15 episodes, due to low ratings that kept getting lower, and followed by a movie version focused heavily on her character--that tanked miserably at the box office.
The protagonist is not The Boy Who Saves the World, or The Mother of All Destiny, even though she's the title character. It's the robot. Who is not played by Ahnuld, but by an actress who has never been in anything successful, EVER.
Did I leave anything out?
In any event, Z, we're talking about how the audience will react--again, it's not a show that is going to succeed without a lot of SFX and stuff blowing up. They can't sell it as a character piece. It's not a show about characters, and if it tries to be (to save money), it's going to keep losing viewers. People did not tune into this show to see a fembot develop as a person.
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For a new show on FOX, it is actually not bad at all (minus a post-AI slot like the horrible New Amsterdam is getting).
So how long before people are praising New Amsterdam here, and saying FOX would be crazy to cancel it?
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The only question is: what will be the ratings next year? And with only 9 episodes this season, it is difficult to answer.
No it isn't.
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I don't think FOX really cares about Internet petitions...
Originally posted by pisher: So how long before people are praising New Amsterdam here, and saying FOX would be crazy to cancel it?
That was really the worse pilot of the year in my opinion (although I didn't watch VL) so it will be interesting to see if people like it. It is just like Moonlight, except much worse and very boring. A generic crime drama where the "cop" is for some reason immortal.
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Why would people want a show to be cancelled just because they don't like it? Why not just ignore it's existence? It getting cancelled doesn't help you at all but it bothers the fans of the show. Do you just like to see others bothered?
Originally posted by Larry: Why would people want a show to be cancelled just because they don't like it? Why not just ignore it's existence? It getting cancelled doesn't help you at all but it bothers the fans of the show. Do you just like to see others bothered?
Beacause maybe next season in its place a better show will air.
The show is definitely in danger, but deserves another season much more than PB; more growth potential and getting better, unlike PB.
Do you even watch Prison Break? Of the 2 shows, and I have ALL the episodes of each, Prison Break is WAY better. that's what get's me about this forum, some of the asinine statements that come from some of the posters.
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Originally posted by Zitrone: Hey Marc, do you have the half-hour breakdown for SCC?
The show is definitely in danger, but deserves another season much more than PB; more growth potential and getting better, unlike PB.
Do you even watch Prison Break? Of the 2 shows, and I have ALL the episodes of each, Prison Break is WAY better. that's what get's me about this forum, some of the asinine statements that come from some of the posters.
