Originally posted by A.C.: People like to beat up on HEROES ...BUT if you are NBC...you have to be pleased compared to what the rest of the flagging lineup puts out...HEROES is like DIFF'RENT STROKES was back in 1978-79-the shining beacon amid a failing schedule...
Actually I hate beating up on Heroes as it was a nice, original programming choice for a while. However, it's story was wrapped up in the first season and there's was nothing left for a second.
And while its numbers look good compared to the rest of the NBC, will that be the case a year from now? Given the hard fall off this year, I think this shining beacon will grow much dimmer.
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Originally posted by A.C.: People like to beat up on HEROES ...BUT if you are NBC...you have to be pleased compared to what the rest of the flagging lineup puts out...HEROES is like DIFF'RENT STROKES was back in 1978-79-the shining beacon amid a failing schedule...
Actually I hate beating up on Heroes as it was a nice, original programming choice for a while. However, it's story was wrapped up in the first season and there's was nothing left for a second.
And while its numbers look good compared to the rest of the NBC, will that be the case a year from now? Given the hard fall off this year, I think this shining beacon will grow much dimmer.
Maybe its JMO, but I don't see that "Heroes" is NBC's only bright spot. I think both "The Office" and "L&O: SVU" are also.
Originally posted by PaulC: And while its numbers look good compared to the rest of the NBC, will that be the case a year from now? Given the hard fall off this year, I think this shining beacon will grow much dimmer.
NBC isn't about to cancel Heroes. Aside from football, Heroes is their top demo show and one of the best viewer draws. NBC might not even have the ability to find new programming to replace Life or ER, there is no way they are willingly going to clear a show like Heroes off of the fall schedule.
Originally posted by TravisYanan: Congrats, Heroes. You managed to do a half-assed, last-minutes fall finale and still couldn't pull back viewers without Dancing with the Stars or original CBS comedies on. A year ago you did a 6.5 in the demo. After this hiatus, I think you'll be lucky to break 5.0 again.
My god, how that show stank this season.
Also - did anyone REALLY think this new ABC Monday line-up would work out? Why "waste" OR here? Why waste original Samantha Who episodes when it could come back after DWTS this spring? Why renew Notes from the Underbelly? Baffling. Just baffling.
I agree Note should not have been renewed and it shouldn't be a lead in to anything. OR is being wasted here. There are so many place that it could do better. There is still 10 new episodes, ABC should really consider moving it.
I think given the way SW? started ABC just had hopes that it would do much, much, much better than what it did on Monday and that it would've gone that low. I say give it a second chance and see how it does next week. It'll still be up against a rerun of 2 1/2 Men, but it won't be up against the mid-season or possibly season finale of "Heroes", which I think probably took away atleast some viewers.
Originally posted by PaulC: And while its numbers look good compared to the rest of the NBC, will that be the case a year from now? Given the hard fall off this year, I think this shining beacon will grow much dimmer.
NBC isn't about to cancel Heroes. Aside from football, Heroes is their top demo show and one of the best viewer draws. NBC might not even have the ability to find new programming to replace Life or ER, there is no way they are willingly going to clear a show like Heroes off of the fall schedule.
Never said they would cancel soon. But its very likley last year's big hit, and this year's modest success may become next year's "oh is that still on?" show.
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Originally posted by robert: UNIVISION is becoming a big force.
univision is only going to get bigger...with the influx of latins in this country it may end up rivalling the some of the nets in as little as 5 yrs.
Well the deserve it beacause they put a lot of money and work into their productions. I mean they air 5 episodes per week for some shows and the visual quality (don't know about the actual quality of the stories) is similar to what we see for the shows on the regular networks shows that have only 22 episodes in a year.
Of course they also have the advantage of airing shows produced by other networks like TELEVISA
The ironic thing about Heroes fall from grace (is half a good first season even considered "grace"???) is that it is still perhaps UBS' most successful show. UBS has nothing, so even a falling Heroes is better than pretty much everything else they have on the air. Not in quality, obviously, but definitely in quantity. Let's face it, when an aging and chuffing Law & Order: Sports Utility Vehicle is your highest rated show at 22, you are in deep, deep doo. I know people around here like to bash ABC, but ABC is six miles ahead of UBS, easy as 1-2-3.
That's why Life is still on the air and will likely stay on the air. If they cancel it, they may as well cancel their enitre scripted lineup other than Heroes and SUV. In fact, aside from Friday Night Lights and Scrubs, UBS pretty much needs to either bring them all back or cancel them all. Their current lineup might be the biggest Catch-22 in network history.
Sadly the fall for Heroes is going to continue, in my not-so-humble-opinion. Going out for the duration with their absolute worst episode ever Monday night is going to cost them at least another million or two viewers whenever it finally comes back after the strike. Pretty much every fan I know in my area was looking at last night as the last, best shot for them to stay interested. Don't be surprised if it returns with as much as a 20% drop in its total viewership. Remember what happened last season when Heroes took an extended break? And that was when it was still a show people were buzzing about, yet it still dropped quite a bit when it came back. Then the quality tailed off over the rest of its season (had Bryan Fuller left by then?) and so this season's numbers started dropping again, but now even faster and further. All the excitement over the extra 1 million viewers that came back last week must be collapsing in the dust since about 90% of them disappeared again this week. This week's terrible finale on top of last week's pathetic penultimate episode will be looked back at as the final nails in the coffin containg the remains of Heroes as a bonafide hit. It's now exclusively a "specialty hit" going forward, and it is all downhill from here.
Jeez, I sound like Pisher talking about PD. Lucky for those who can still stand Heroes that UBS has nothing else to do but to keep putting on anything that can get any eyeballs at all. Specialty hit is better than nothing. In fact, for UBS, it's better than pretty much anything else they have.
What is going to be especially interesting to watch are the demo numbers next year. They are what is keeping it in the semi-hit category. When they fall off the table, Heroes will be DOA. And last night against a repeat of TAHM, it only pulled in a 5.0 demo? That's a good number on its own, but that's also a gigantic drop from last year and a drop of nearly 2 million from it's season average this year. Hell, it's even a drop from what it did last week, which is crazy when you think about it being a season finale episode that was going up against absolutely frakking nothing. When was the last time that a hit show lost viewers for the second part of it's two part season finale? Perhaps never?
Think about that. There was nothing else on and yet it still pretty much matched it's series low numbers for it's fall finale. Nearly a million people who watched last week decided they didn't care enough to come back and find out if Hiro cut off Peter's head, finding out whether or not that would raise or lower Peter's IQ. That is why I think despite it's objective good numbers overall, Heroes's is headed for one of the most stunning falls in television history. When you combine the limited appeal of serialized dramas with the amazing drop in quality of the show itself, well, I can think of no show that has come before to compare it to. It's drop off this season is already one of the steepest in history for a 2nd year "hit" show. Heroes could stay on the air for years with it's current numbers, especially considering it's internet and Plus7 popularity, but my bet is that by the end of next season it won't be pulling in better than 5-6 million people a week, if that. After all, how many people are going to want to keep tuning in each week to watch episodes that are increasingly just hour long versions of a Previously On Heroes? They spend more time expositioning than they do moving forward. And once you lose audience on a serialized show it's nearly impossible to get them back even if the quality does improve.
Maybe I'm just in a bad mood today, but color me sad that a potentially great show has turned to dust faster than Peter could burn up the Shanti virus. That's one less thing to watch in what is increasingly a TV week with nothing to watch. I put it at even money that Heroes never sees a fourth season.
TV peaked with St. Elsewhere, until Joss came along anyway.
Week Ending December 2, 2007 (Average rating, share and audience in each category)
ADULTS 18-49
ABC 4.0/10, 5.3 million Fox 3.1/8, 4.1 million NBC 3.0/8, 3.9 million CBS 2.7/7, 3.6 million UNI 1.7/4, 2.2 million CW 1.1/3, 1.4 million TEL 0.4/1, 0.5 million
Each rating point equals 1.31 million viewers
ADULTS 25-54
ABC 4.6/11, 5.7 million CBS 3.6/9, 4.4 million NBC 3.4/8, 4.2 million Fox 3.4/8, 4.2 million UNI 1.7/4, 2.1 million CW 1.0/2, 1.3 million TEL 0.4/1, 0.5 million
Each rating point equals 1.23 million viewers
TOTAL VIEWERS
ABC 4.3/11, 12.5 million CBS 3.7/9, 10.6 million Fox 2.9/7, 8.3 million NBC 2.9/7, 8.2 million UNI 1.4/3, 4.0 million CW 0.9/2, 2.7 million TEL 0.4/1, 1.0 million
Each rating point equals 2.86 million viewers
2007-08 SEASON-TO-DATE AVERAGES (Average rating, share and audience in each category)
ADULTS 18-49
ABC 3.9/10, 5.1 million CBS 3.5/9, 4.6 million Fox 3.4 /9, 4.5 million NBC 3.4/9, 4.4 million UNI 1.5/4, 2.0 million CW 1.2/3, 1.6 million TEL 0.4/1, 0.5 million
Each rating point equals 1.31 million viewers
ADULTS 25-54
ABC 4.6/11, 5.6 million CBS 4.5/11, 5.5 million NBC 3.8/9, 4.7 million Fox 3.7/9, 4.5 million UNI 1.5/4, 1.9 million CW 1.2/3, 1.4 million TEL 0.4/1, 0.5 million
Each rating point equals 1.23 million viewers
TOTAL VIEWERS CBS 4.3/11, 12.2 million ABC 4.1/11, 11.8 million Fox 3.2/8, 9.1 million NBC 3.1/8, 8.8 million UNI 1.3/3, 3.6 million CW 1.0/3, 3.0 million TEL 0.3/1, 1.0 million
Each rating point equals 2.86 million viewers
Source: Nielsen Media Research data
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Originally posted by robert: UNIVISION is becoming a big force.
univision is only going to get bigger...with the influx of latins in this country it may end up rivalling the some of the nets in as little as 5 yrs.
Wow, look how close is to CBS and ABC in most of the numbers already. At this rate, FOx will be in first in most categories by the second week of Idol.
Oh, and I hope NBC is comfortable in its new (CW - Univision) neighborhood.
Another good night for Chuck, it could have posted better numbers.....but even me, a huge fan of Chuck was watching the Monday Night Football game and putting Chuck on the backburner.
NBC really needs help, but with that being said I think it has 3 or 4 good building blocks for the future.
Heroes The Office Law and Order Chuck
Everything else pretty much needs to be wiped clean.
I'm sure if there was peacock walking around, it wouldn't enjoy you calling it "NBC".
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