Originally posted by robert: Just terrible for FOX and ABC. What on Earth is ABC thinking bt letting UB die on fridays. They could've ordered a 13 episodes final season if canceling the show was their plan all along
I believe ABC needs about 22 episodes of Ugly Betty (this season) to get a healthy number for syndication. In today's cable run world, if you get about 80 episodes, you're set for syndication. Plus, Betty is already going to be airing on unnoticed TV Guide Network so I would consider this a favor by ABC for letting the show come back with the extra episodes to get to syndication level. The show's ratings last year really didn't justify a renewal at all. I still believe a Tuesday 8pm or even Wednesday 8pm schedule for the show would've given it about double the demo, but that's still not any good. Ironically, I get vibes of Ugly Betty when I watch Modern Family, especially the gay couple's over the top behavior. I also sometimes feel that way with Cougar Town.
Chalk up the failure of Til Death to a bad first season creatively (the second season was hilarious, especially early Kenny episodes) and Fox moving the show all over hell. The network gave it about 6 episodes behind Idol in season one. In season two, they kept Idol results at 9 instead of giving Back to You and Til Death time behind Idol that spring, leading to their deaths. In season three, Fox slashed the neighbors and focused way too much on Kenny in a cost-saving measure. That was the final nail in the coffin. Fox's programming crew is stupider than ABC's and has been since Reilly took over things. This is not surprising. The moron couldn't figure out how to program NBC when they had watchable shows the first few years post-Friends. Instead of having someone else schedule and Reilly just focus on programming, NBC then axed him for Silverman, who had the opposite problem- better scheduling, worse actual programs.
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: It is a shame because I used to like that show.
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Originally posted by DJ General: Can't believe 'Til Death is being put on hiatus again...there is around 20 episodes that have been filmed and not aired. Around 9 from lasts season and over half of the 4th season has been filmed. (season 4 was ordered for a full 22 episodes!!)
Originally posted by Marc Berman: Smallville is down significantly year-to-year -- that is very obvious.
I watch Lost(so I'll use that as example), Lost seems to be losing viewers as each season passes, but the show is still key to ABC's success despite not being as popular as when it first started.
If Abc for whatever reason decided to put Lost on Fridays and it started getting 8M viewers I wouldn't consider that a bad just because last season it was averaging 11.5M and in it's peak it was getting 15M. I would say that the show was relatively successful considering the conditions and external factors. 8M people viewing a show on a Friday is still 8M people.
And no I am not saying SV is anywhere the same league as Lost, I am just saying Lost like SV is a show that has a declining pattern in ratings as seasons go by that still is a positive for it's network(and general viewership the network brings in for all shows) despite the fact it lost 4M viewers since it's first season.
I am not going to say well Lost should go because it doesn't get the ratings it did the first few seasons
Those Smallville numbers are roughtly the same as last weeks. Just because ABC and FOX both suck eggs a little more, does not make the CW series a winner.
It just has more company on the losers list.
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Originally posted by Mredman: Smallville does not belong on the losers list. Marc what the hell?
Originally posted by mushu_jj: Chalk up the failure of Til Death to a bad first season creatively (the second season was hilarious, especially early Kenny episodes) and Fox moving the show all over hell. The network gave it about 6 episodes behind Idol in season one. In season two, they kept Idol results at 9 instead of giving Back to You and Til Death time behind Idol that spring, leading to their deaths. In season three, Fox slashed the neighbors and focused way too much on Kenny in a cost-saving measure. That was the final nail in the coffin. Fox's programming crew is stupider than ABC's and has been since Reilly took over things. This is not surprising. The moron couldn't figure out how to program NBC when they had watchable shows the first few years post-Friends. Instead of having someone else schedule and Reilly just focus on programming, NBC then axed him for Silverman, who had the opposite problem- better scheduling, worse actual programs.
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: It is a shame because I used to like that show.
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Originally posted by DJ General: Can't believe 'Til Death is being put on hiatus again...there is around 20 episodes that have been filmed and not aired. Around 9 from lasts season and over half of the 4th season has been filmed. (season 4 was ordered for a full 22 episodes!!)
When 'Til Death started focusing on Kenny all the time, I still watched but it wasn't that good. If FOX would have kept the neighbors, they would have been able to create a strong comedy block, with 'Til Death around 8 million viewers.
Obviously old man isn't the target demo for Ugly Betty. j/k
Betty really doesn't have much of a chance on Fridays. The core audience was usually women 18-34. How many of them are home on Fridays? Very few, that's how many. The show certainly was in decline, but the move to Friday was ABC saying we'll get to syndication and be done. What's sad is that Betty may have worked in either the Tuesday or Wednesday 8pm slot, especially Wednesday where it would be a good fit for Modern Family and Cougar Town.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: Why watch something we don't like nor thik is any good????
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Originally posted by Shi Zamoria: COME ON PEOPLE WAKE UP AND start watching
UGLY BETTY FRIDAYS ABC 9pm
I mean this is why good shows get cancelled because of people not watchin them
Originally posted by mushu_jj: Chalk up the failure of Til Death to a bad first season creatively (the second season was hilarious, especially early Kenny episodes) and Fox moving the show all over hell. The network gave it about 6 episodes behind Idol in season one. In season two, they kept Idol results at 9 instead of giving Back to You and Til Death time behind Idol that spring, leading to their deaths. In season three, Fox slashed the neighbors and focused way too much on Kenny in a cost-saving measure. That was the final nail in the coffin. Fox's programming crew is stupider than ABC's and has been since Reilly took over things.
I agree. Stupider than you know. Last season, they bump the episode in which Kenny moves in to Eddie's and Joy's house. (It never airs. You're just supposed to use your imagination as to why he's there all the time.) Then they get Kevin Nealon and his real-life wife, Susan Yeagley, to make a couple guest appearances as the Stark's new tennis partner friends, "the perfect couple." Neither of their episodes air, yet Preston Beckman goes ahead and schedules for November sweeps the new episode they taped this season -- even though we've never met them before. (Of course it doesn't matter, since the show has once again been pulled for November sweeps, so you won't be seeing that episode, either.) Then they get Nathan Lane to do a big sweeps stunt episode playing Eddie's less-than-loved gay brother who has connections to pro basketball. Yes, you guessed it. It doesn't air. And there was a whole arc in which Doug proposes to Allison and then the two get married. They're just automatically married now, because of course you never got to see the proposal and the wedding episodes.
A couple of my friends did background in last season's Christmas episode, "No Complaints." It hasn't... well, you know. And I doubt you'll be seeing it this Christmas, since J.B. Smoove is in it. But they were pretty pissed off about not getting to see themselves on TV. Maybe after Reilly gets done sucking Mitch Hurwitz's dick, you'll see them all turn up in the coveted Saturday midnight time slot.
I have no idea why those twits keep renewing it if they're just going to throw all the episodes in the trash, but I do give Don Reo credit for making the show somewhat better than it was. His own "Brothers" remains awful, but I watched the "Separate Beds" episode (which Reo wrote) and thought it was genuinely funny.
-- "Better Off Ted," Tuesdays 9:30/8:30 starting December 8. Because we can't all live in mansions and not ever work like the people on "Modern Family."
j/k
