The only thing SCC had going for it for me was the consistently hot evil cyborgs. But after awhile, seeing my eye candy go on murderous rampages all the time was too much for me to endure. Perhaps if they could reprogram them for good instead of evil, I could watch again.
However, I do give the future credit for creating such excellent looking specimens.
Originally posted by Elvis Bus: I guess Hulk Hogan and his Gladiators are here to stay for a while. Do we think Hellga deserves her own series?
Life with Hellga
Bringing up Hellga
The Hellga Show
Hellga and the Bear
Hellga vs. Reaper
And Howie Mandel mentioned at the end of DOND that Wednesday Night's ep will be the last of the "On a Mission for a Million" episodes. Does that mean that after the Kentucky woman, they're back to the regular game?
Maybe they could have the female Gladiator's be case ladies on an episode of DOND.
Cross-Marketing Genius! And later, they can put Howie Mandel through the Gauntlet.
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Originally posted by Elvis Bus: I guess Hulk Hogan and his Gladiators are here to stay for a while. Do we think Hellga deserves her own series?
Life with Hellga
Bringing up Hellga
The Hellga Show
Hellga and the Bear
Hellga vs. Reaper
And Howie Mandel mentioned at the end of DOND that Wednesday Night's ep will be the last of the "On a Mission for a Million" episodes. Does that mean that after the Kentucky woman, they're back to the regular game?
Maybe they could have the female Gladiator's be case ladies on an episode of DOND.
Cross-Marketing Genius! And later, they can put Howie Mandel through the Gauntlet.
Or just make him shake hands with the audience!
Posts: 185 | Location: Los Angeles | Registered: 03 January 2008
Originally posted by bored striker: SCC is a typical example of an outdated development strategy: spend a ton of money on a pilot of an already branded product. The thinking is that the known quantity will bring in viewers and the feature quality pilot will get people hooked. But audiences have so many choices they just don't stay hooked when you inevitably slow down the story lines because a TV series must move slower than a film, and cut the budget by reducing the action and effects.
People just don't seem to be falling for this trick
You should contact Ben Silverman and let him know. Just a week or so back I read an article about Knight Rider where he was being credited for 'discovering' the concept of reworked garbage from past decades and from overseas markets. Apparently, NBC is ready to abandon the traditional upfront market all-together and move to 'backdoor pilots' instead.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: May not be a bad idea.
Broadcast TV does need to be re-invented for the 21st Century. We'll see if this is the right direction to go in, next month.
It will lower costs, but what does it say for 'quality' when everything going forward will be reworked shows from past decades and reality knockoffs from overseas? If the closest thing to 'new' we see going forward is a show like Private Practice, network TV is dead.
Originally posted by bored striker: SCC is a typical example of an outdated development strategy: spend a ton of money on a pilot of an already branded product. The thinking is that the known quantity will bring in viewers and the feature quality pilot will get people hooked. But audiences have so many choices they just don't stay hooked when you inevitably slow down the story lines because a TV series must move slower than a film, and cut the budget by reducing the action and effects.
People just don't seem to be falling for this trick
You should contact Ben Silverman and let him know. Just a week or so back I read an article about Knight Rider where he was being credited for 'discovering' the concept of reworked garbage from past decades and from overseas markets. Apparently, NBC is ready to abandon the traditional upfront market all-together and move to 'backdoor pilots' instead.
I read that, too. And while that strategy does work on occasion, like American Gladiators - I'm skeptical of it paying off at a higher rate than new development. It's also not a new concept, every meeting I've had for the last 6 or 7 years, either for TV of features, a lot of the conversation was about branding. IMO 5 years from now, the executives who are judged as post strike winners will be the one's who nurtured the most new ideas in all genres. The next Seinfeld, the next Sopranos, the next American Idol.
Posts: 185 | Location: Los Angeles | Registered: 03 January 2008
I read that, too. And while that strategy does work on occasion, like American Gladiators - I'm skeptical of it paying off at a higher rate than new development. It's also not a new concept, every meeting I've had for the last 6 or 7 years, either for TV of features, a lot of the conversation was about branding. IMO 5 years from now, the executives who are judged as post strike winners will be the one's who nurtured the most new ideas in all genres. The next Seinfeld, the next Sopranos, the next American Idol.
Assuming there IS a next Seinfeld, a next Sopranos, a next American Idol. I doubt the first two will happen, I'm afraid the third will happen over and over and over and over....
Originally posted by TV-aholic: May not be a bad idea.
Broadcast TV does need to be re-invented for the 21st Century. We'll see if this is the right direction to go in, next month.
It will lower costs, but what does it say for 'quality' when everything going forward will be reworked shows from past decades and reality knockoffs from overseas? If the closest thing to 'new' we see going forward is a show like Private Practice, network TV is dead.
I don't think there is anything wrong with the concept of remaking an old show. But like any NEW show, it will need to be good to succeed.
Besides, Remakes are nothing new to TV. Perry Mason came back in many TV Movies. BattleStar Galactica is doing well in its reimaging.
The New Knight Rider will succeed or fail on its entertainment value, not that it was a remake of an old series.
I agree with pisher's view of recycled television. These are all just the same shows we've seen before, just re-worked. Which makes me wonder how I would feel about a M*A*S*H do-over, but for current times...
And, as for those missing ardent T:SCC fans, I am one of those. But, even I have to agree, that last night was dragging at bits. I understand their needs to give the characters depth, but one hours is not long enough to "feel" anything for the characters and entertain me with butt-kicking fight scenes. If I were honest with myself, I would say that SCC won't last another season. Thankfully, my fandom struggles on. If FOX had done their job in the first place and treated Firefly right, and it came on during the strike, I bet this would be the most popular show out there. Action, rich characters, witty lines, just enough to keep even Americans entertained. SCC lacks that.
If they were going to re-work network television, what would be on? Personally, I think shows like American Idol are garbage, but it is what Americans want. Is there not room for character development anymore? Story, dialogue, relations...??? What would be worth investing in?
If FOX had done their job in the first place and treated Firefly right, and it came on during the strike, I bet this would be the most popular show out there. Action, rich characters, witty lines, just enough to keep even Americans entertained. SCC lacks that.
I saw one episode of Firefly and thought it was horrible. I doubt, no matter how good any network treated this show, it would ever catch on to even a modest audience level.
But all Sci-Fi shows have their fans and their die-hards.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: I don't think there is anything wrong with the concept of remaking an old show.
Neither do I, but if the traditional route to creating new shows is abandoned, that means virtually all future shows will be 'backdoor pilots' or remakes. That model simply does not lend itself towards 'new' development.
I don't think there is anything wrong with the concept of remaking an old show. But like any NEW show, it will need to be good to succeed.
Yeah, but think about it. A show being good or not depends largely on its creativity, right? And all else being equal, a remake is less creative than a new concept BY DEFINITION.
Battlestar Galactica (the remake) has certainly been a creative show--groundbreaking? Not really, just very good for what it is. The original BSG was, to be honest, a rather saccharine cornball attempt to clone the success of Star Wars, using already-tired TV formulas. It was perfectly reasonable, on a niche cable channel like SciFi, to leverage a familiar name, and hire some hot talent to give it the bite it never had in its first outing.
And even so, BSG (the remake) has not entirely succeeded in living up to the potential of its first season, and perhaps as a result, is ending in its fourth season, having lost quite a bit of its original audience.
It should have been an extended miniseries. There wasn't enough story there to justify a long run.
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Besides, Remakes are nothing new to TV. Perry Mason came back in many TV Movies.
Not the same thing at all--that's just nostalgia, not an attempt to 'reimagine' an old concept. And no, remakes are nothing new--but successful remakes are extremely rare. In any event, SCC is an attempt to make a successful TV series out of a successful movie franchise. How many times has this happened? MASH, I suppose--although Robert Altman wasn't exactly a franchise-film kinda guy, was he? They took something that was pretty daring and original for the movies, and turned it into something that was (for the time) pretty daring and original for Network Primetime TV, though not compared to the movie.
There's a big difference between that and just leveraging a franchise that has already remade itself several times. It's not that SCC was done badly, but that it was a bad idea to start with. People have had enough of this universe. It's a story that gets weaker with every retelling, because it was flimsy derivative stuff to begin with. Even the first Terminator movie was a ripoff of some Twilight Zone and Outer Limits episodes, as James Cameron himself was reportedly heard boasting (and then Harlan Ellison heard about it, and called his lawyers).
If you're going to do a remake, you either have to pick a property that was never done full justice to in the past, or else something so powerful and insightful that it can stand up to multiple retellings.
The first remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers, was, if anything, better than the original--because the cynical 70's provided more suitable setting than the frightened 50's for the message the original film was trying to get across.
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BattleStar Galactica is doing well in its reimaging.
Then why is this the last season? And no, it's not because they didn't want to do more.
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The New Knight Rider will succeed or fail on its entertainment value, not that it was a remake of an old series.
But it got greenlit on the basis of being a remake. And as a result, somebody else's NON-remake idea didn't get greenlit.
So in a few decade's time, can I just ask--what are they going to remake from this era of TV and film?
You can't just go on recycling indefinitely. People will just walk away. You say the new BSG is great--I certainly agree it's better than the original. It's also vastly less popular. It has only lasted longer because the standard for ratings success is so low--and even so, it's going to run well under 100 hours, including the two miniseries. It may have been a good investment for SciFi in terms of improving its image, but I doubt it made them much in the way of profits.
And that is one of the very few instances of a worthwhile TV remake.
Most of them are simply forgettable trash like Night Stalker.
I mean, if they're even remaking the shows that FLOPPED, how much longer can this biz last?
Originally posted by TV-aholic: I saw one episode of Firefly and thought it was horrible. I doubt, no matter how good any network treated this show, it would ever catch on to even a modest audience level.
But all Sci-Fi shows have their fans and their die-hards.
Firefly was fantastic. Sure, it created a world that couldn't 'really exist', but it was a world of interesting characters.
