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Jack Harkness on Torchwood is the same way, so really, even that is not a unique conceit.

(My apologies if someone beat me to this)

My apologies as well--Torchwood sucks so badly (like the wretched Dr. Who remake that spawned it) that I've never been able to watch it for more than a few minutes.

I question, btw, whether the idea of an unkillable hero on a TV series is a good idea, no matter who first came up with it.

In any event, British TV did a lot of things before American TV--and used to do them well.

Sadly, that is no longer the case.

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JUST FOR LAUGHS (8PM) 3.2/5 1.3/3 4,707,000
ACCORDING TO JIM 3.6/5 1.9/5 5,492,000
CARPOOLERS 2.7/4 1.5/4 3,990,000

I really do not understand why ABC has stuck to this failing Tuesday 8pm - 10pm lineup for most of the non-DWTS season. This, the Friday serial reruns, and Monday's NFTU and OR are taking such a huge hit on the rest of its ratings, and it would be relatively easy to see measurable improvement in all those areas with different programming. This is not the NFL or NBA draft, ABC -- you don't get a #1 pick next season if you intentionally tank this season...

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Still think this would do better 8 to 10pm than current offerings but the main argument has to be that it should be no surprise now that Boston Legal did so poorly this past month and a half with this as the lead in.

The only people that get surprised are the ones that claim lead-in doesn't matter, that established shows don't need lead-ins, or that Boston Legal specifically was immuneito lead-in.

I think BL should get credit for growing out of that disasater of a lead in and so should Primetime, but lets lose this talk of how the show should be shipped to Fridays blah blah. I'd love to see what Brothers and Sisters would do there or Men in Trees or Ugly Betty or Private Practice. Answer: probably worse for most of them.

cheap programming against idol? as for ATJ, also serves the purpose of syndication $$'s since it is from abc studios. I'd like to think the folks looking at the bottom line have their reasons which may not be obvious to us.

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Originally posted by Chimera:

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JUST FOR LAUGHS (8PM) 3.2/5 1.3/3 4,707,000
ACCORDING TO JIM 3.6/5 1.9/5 5,492,000
CARPOOLERS 2.7/4 1.5/4 3,990,000

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Originally posted by TravisYanan:

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Originally posted by Douglas:
Travis, how did the series premiere of the Tila Tequila spinoff, That's Amore fare on Sunday, March 2?

1.063 million viewers, 0.8/1 HH, 0.5/1 A18-49 @ 10pm.

Aka a bomb. The guy was honestly the most annoying part of Shot At Love... why give him a spin-off?

I didn't even realize his show had started. But what I don't understand is why people keep watching these dating shows, where in the end they find supposedly the perfect person for them, only to break up with them days or weeks later. And MTV and VH1 have some of the trashiest of the kind. I'm assuming people watching "I love New York", "Flav", "Rock of Love" etc just enjoy train wrecks... I actually thought "Shot at Love" was somewhat more genuine, but when she broke up with him almost immediately, I changed my mind...

Yes and its just wonderful that ABC has decided to hurt their chances on taking second this season by running this crap. I'm sure Primetime was so much more expensive than this and AFV repeats did better at 8pm last year most weeks.

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Originally posted by vlis:
cheap programming against idol? as for ATJ, also serves the purpose of syndication $$'s since it is from abc studios. I'd like to think the folks looking at the bottom line have their reasons which may not be obvious to us.

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Originally posted by Chimera:

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JUST FOR LAUGHS (8PM) 3.2/5 1.3/3 4,707,000
ACCORDING TO JIM 3.6/5 1.9/5 5,492,000
CARPOOLERS 2.7/4 1.5/4 3,990,000

how much does a network get for coming in second vs third if there is a small margin between the two?

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Yes and its just wonderful that ABC has decided to hurt their chances on taking second this season by running this crap. I'm sure Primetime was so much more expensive than this and AFV repeats did better at 8pm last year most weeks.

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Originally posted by vlis:
cheap programming against idol? as for ATJ, also serves the purpose of syndication $$'s since it is from abc studios. I'd like to think the folks looking at the bottom line have their reasons which may not be obvious to us.

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Originally posted by Chimera:

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JUST FOR LAUGHS (8PM) 3.2/5 1.3/3 4,707,000
ACCORDING TO JIM 3.6/5 1.9/5 5,492,000
CARPOOLERS 2.7/4 1.5/4 3,990,000

I know AtJ is on the air mainly for its syndication $$ -- but that doesn't mean it has to be on Tuesdays during the middle of the season. It could have been on Fridays @ 8pm, or even held till the summer. Also, that doesn't explain Carpoolers, which is dragging everything down -- if the theory on AtJ is correct, then pairing new episodes of the show followed by reruns would be better -- it's been shown in the past that reruns of AtJ perform almost identically to new eps when scheduled back-to-back.

Also, I realize JFL is very cheap, but to schedule it this long, and use it as the lead-in for the upcoming DWTS:results for pete's sake is downright mind-boggling.

I refuse the argument that the execs simply know better -- show me that they do with how they schedule things...

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Yes and its just wonderful that ABC has decided to hurt their chances on taking second this season by running this crap. I'm sure Primetime was so much more expensive than this and AFV repeats did better at 8pm last year most weeks.

Amen mushu!!

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Originally posted by vlis:
cheap programming against idol? as for ATJ, also serves the purpose of syndication $$'s since it is from abc studios.

If they keep ordering more episodes of According to Jim, they have to air them somewhere.

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Originally posted by Chimera:

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JUST FOR LAUGHS (8PM) 3.2/5 1.3/3 4,707,000
ACCORDING TO JIM 3.6/5 1.9/5 5,492,000
CARPOOLERS 2.7/4 1.5/4 3,990,000

I really do not understand why ABC has stuck to this failing Tuesday 8pm - 10pm lineup for most of the non-DWTS season. This, the Friday serial reruns, and Monday's NFTU and OR are taking such a huge hit on the rest of its ratings, and it would be relatively easy to see measurable improvement in all those areas with different programming. This is not the NFL or NBA draft, ABC -- you don't get a #1 pick next season if you intentionally tank this season...

As me and others previously stated, an hour of election coverage in the 9pm hour would have been a much better idea -- they could have moved AtJ to 8:30, and the election coverage would have been a much better lead-in for Primetime.

From medialife, the cable news networks had record ratings, in fact CNN almost surpassed ABC:

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The big winner on Tuesday night wasn’t revived Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton or Republican frontrunner John McCain. It was CNN.

The cable news network drew huge viewership for its coverage of the crucial primary contests in Ohio and Texas, matching its record Super Tuesday totals on what was a strong night for all three cable news networks.

CNN led in primetime among both total viewers and the key adults 25-54 news demographic, averaging 3.69 million total viewers and 1.59 million 25-54s. Fox News Channel was second with 2.98 million total viewers and third in 25-54s with 830,000. MSNBC averaged 2.04 million total viewers and 876,000 in the demo, just edging FNC.

CNN peaked with 4.42 million total viewers in the 9 p.m. hour, bettering the CW’s “One Tree Hill” 2.93 million viewers in the timeslot and only 320,000 behind ABC’s comedies.

entire article here: http://www.medialifemagazine.com/artman2/publish/Cable_...t_for_cable_news.asp

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Originally posted by vlis:
how much does a network get for coming in second vs third if there is a small margin between the two?

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Yes and its just wonderful that ABC has decided to hurt their chances on taking second this season by running this crap. I'm sure Primetime was so much more expensive than this and AFV repeats did better at 8pm last year most weeks.

Compatibility would've been a major factor and I'm sure Primetime could've averaged close to 6 million in the 9pm hour, giving Boston Legal around 2.5 million more viewers for a lead in.

I don't know if any of you follow the morning shows ratings, but I found this interesting:

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In morning shows, NBC’s “Today” was first with 6.1 million total viewers and a 4.6 household rating and 15 share, followed by ABC’s “Good Morning America” with 4.6 million viewers and a 3.5/12. CBS’s “Early Show” was third with 3.2 million total viewers and a 2.4/8.

This is the first time I can recall that GMA was closer to Early's Show's viewer numbers (+1.4 million gap) than to the Today show (-1.5 million gap). For much of the last two years, the gap between GMA and Today was about 400 thousand, but in the last few weeks The Today Show opened a huge gap -- anyone know what changed to cause that to happen?

last nite's #'s:

  
rating
FOX   12.5/19 
NBC   5.7/9
CBS   5.2/8
ABC   4.1/7
CW    1.9/3

Demo
FOX     8.2 
NBC     2.2  
ABC     2.1
CBS     2.1
CW      1.4

Post-strike dip
for Big Three networks

Ratings are down 11 percent for ABC, NBC and CBS

By Toni Fitzgerald
Mar 6, 2008

Original scripted programming can’t return quick enough for broadcast, especially on Wednesday night. With Fox dominating as usual, ABC, NBC and CBS all saw losses from last week’s averages.

Those networks combined for a 6.4 adults 18-49 rating last night, according to Nielsen overnights, off 11 percent from last week’s 7.2 combined rating.

Meanwhile Fox was also down a bit from last week, when it had a 90-minute “American Idol” instead of last night’s 60-minute edition. But it still finished 14 percent ahead of the combined Big Three’s average at 8.2.

Nearly every show on broadcast was down week to week, and not all of them competed against the 8 p.m. “Idol.” NBC’s “Law & Order,” for instance, slipped 15 percent from the previous week, from a 3.4 to a 2.9, though it still won the 10 p.m. timeslot.

ABC’s “Men in Trees” was also off slightly from the previous week’s debut, and it’s possible the finale of “Project Runway,” which aired in the same timeslot on Bravo, could have hurt the shows. That program does well among 18-49s.

CBS’s “Big Brother,” NBC’s “Law & Order: Criminal Intent” and ABC’s “Supernanny” all slipped from the previous week as well.

Meanwhile, Fox led the night among 18-49s with an 8.2 average overnight rating and a 21 share. NBC was second at 2.2/6, CBS third at 2.1/6, ABC fourth at 2.1/5, Univision fifth at 1.7/4 and CW sixth at 1.4/4.

At 8 p.m. Fox was first with a 10.2 rating for “American Idol,” with CBS second with a 2.0 for “Big Brother.” Univision and ABC tied for third at 1.9, Univision for “Al Diablo con los Guapos” and ABC for “Wife Swap,” with CW fifth with a 1.8 for “America’s Next Top Model” and NBC sixth with a 1.6 for “Criminal Intent.”

Fox led again at 9 p.m. with a 6.2 for “Moment of Truth,” followed by ABC with a 2.8 for “Supernanny.” NBC was third with a 2.2 for “Deal or No Deal,” CBS fourth with a 2.1 for a repeat of “Criminal Minds,” Univision fifth with a 1.6 for “Pasion” and CW sixth with a 1.0 for a repeat of “The Pussycat Dolls Present: Girlicious.”

At 10 p.m. NBC took the lead with a 2.9 for “L&O,” while CBS moved to second with a 2.3 for a repeat of “CSI: NY.” Univision and ABC tied for third that hour at 1.6, Univision for “Don Francisco Presenta” and ABC for “Trees.”

Fox also finished first for the night among households with a 12.5 average overnight rating and a 19 share. NBC was second at 5.7/9, CBS third at 5.2/8, ABC fourth at 4.1/7, Univision fifth at 2.0/3 and CW sixth at 1.9/3.

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/artman2/publish/Overni...g_Three_networks.asp