Originally posted by Obveeus: CBS's state will largely be determined by Big Brother. If that show blows three nights a week, CBS will be hurting. If that show performs as well or better in season as in summer, then CBS will be just fine.
I've heard rumors that Big Brother is scheduled to end March 18, so either way, CBS is sure to be a loser this spring.
2. Not only did NBC burn off two episodes of their new scripted show with the best chance of returning next season, they felt the need to split the two episodes. Maybe it will work in the timeslot, but don't get mad when they shift it to yet another time period the year after.
3. Could you people stop with the quote trees? Quoting the entire last page of discussion in a single post is unnecessary and just means scrolling through even more clutter.
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Originally posted by Obveeus: CBS's state will largely be determined by Big Brother. If that show blows three nights a week, CBS will be hurting. If that show performs as well or better in season as in summer, then CBS will be just fine.
I've heard rumors that Big Brother is scheduled to end March 18, so either way, CBS is sure to be a loser this spring.
2. Not only did NBC burn off two episodes of their new scripted show with the best chance of returning next season, they felt the need to split the two episodes. Maybe it will work in the timeslot, but don't get mad when they shift it to yet another time period the year after.
3. Could you people stop with the quote trees? Quoting the entire last page of discussion in a single post is unnecessary and just means scrolling through even more clutter.
But trees are a good thing - Sing a song, plant a tree ....
So you have become tired scrolling in one day and 4 posts?
You should be here when there is no strike.
Does BB end March 18? That does seem rather earLY.
Welcome to the board,RoyBoyCF
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CBS will get caught up in March Madness at some point around then. Should be good for ratings with little else in the way of new scripted programming available anywhere.
Originally posted by Fred Farrar: Total Viewership? OK. Here is Nielsen's Total Viewers 2+ 2006-2007 Final numbers (SD DVR viewing included).
1 AMERICAN IDOL-WED FOX 30,017 2 AMERICAN IDOL-TUESDAY FOX 29,543 3 DANCING WITH THE STARS ABC 20,464 4 CSI CBS 19,774 5 DANCING W/THE STARS-MON ABC 19,570 6 DANCING W/STARS RESULTS ABC 18,964 7 GREY'S ANATOMY-THU 9PM ABC 18,690 8 HOUSE FOX 18,517 9 DANCING W/STARS RESULT-TU ABC 18,048 10 DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES ABC 17,034 11 SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL NBC 17,008 12 CSI: MIAMI CBS 16,450 13 SURVIVOR: COOK ISLANDS CBS 15,381 14 NFL SUNDAY POST-GAME FOX 15,121 15 DEAL OR NO DEAL-MON NBC 14,831 16 WITHOUT A TRACE CBS 14,330 17 SURVIVOR: FIJI CBS 14,231 18 NCIS CBS 14,206 19 TWO AND A HALF MEN CBS 14,151 20 COLD CASE CBS 14,083 21 LOST ABC 13,778 22 CRIMINAL MINDS CBS 13,623 22 CSI: NY CBS 13,577 24 HEROES NBC 13,569 25 EXT MAKEOVER:HOME ED. ABC 13,323
I will revert to my original statement: Accuracy DOES count.
Nowhere in the original post by Lost_Dom was there any mention of the 18-49 Demo. In fact, he specifically predicted total viewership numbers for the Lost season premiere.
But I am happy to see how many impartial and veteran media professionals are here to remind us all that household ratings are irrelevant.
And I will revert to my original statement. Lost occasionally pulled in Greys/Desperate Housewives numbers during season 1 and 2, nowhere did I mention season 3, yet you manage to pull out season 3's numbers, and not those I was talking about. So again, ACCURACY DOES COUNT!
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Lost Season one: (13th place) 9.8 HH Rating Desperate Housewives (4th place) 14.5 Grey's Anatomy (8th place) 11.6 Good, but not huge, and not at all the same as DH or GA.
Lost season two: (18th place) 9.2 Desperate Houseiwves (4th place) 13.8 Grey's Anatomy (5th place) 12.5.
Lost season three: (20th place tie with Shark) 8.7 Grey's Anatomy (7th place) 12.1 Desperate Housewives (9th place) 10.8
(Source: Nielsen Media Research)
dude, this is the average of both repeats and new episodes, if you want to bring in accuracy to the table, then you yourself should atleast try to be accurate
Chuck is a great show and Thursday night showed why with two really strong episodes. What chafes my pair is that NBC ran two episodes with literally no notice. I like to think of myself as a typical TV viewer -- I have a demanding job and do not have time to continually monitor their website for when they are going to run episodes of the shows I like. NBC has absolutely no clue.....if they did they would find a way to pair Chuck with Burn Notice. I only knew about these episodes because I check the tv listings every morning before heading off to work.
When will NBC learn....of all the shows they have, I only care about 4 - Chuck, 30 Rock, Office, and Life .... and they burned through the Office haphazardly, ran new epi's of 30 Rock every other week, and ran Chuck and Life eveyr single week non-stop until they each had 2 epi's left, then pulled then off, and are now burning them off without the people who had been watching knowing.....
Before these epi's Chuck was on an upswing, NBC killed that on Thursday....
I just hope they give it a better chance once the strike ends in 11 days.....
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Oh, C'mon.... Theres no reason to STOP POSTING, right or wrong.
Besides, It would not surprise me of a SAG strike.
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Originally posted by bored striker: I'm goin' Joe Namath on this one and making the guarantee. If I'm wrong I'll quit posting in shame. If I'm right I'll quit posting and go back to work. So for all of you it's a win-win. However, I'm also guaranteeing a SAG strike in June.
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Originally posted by bored striker: The strike will be over for the oscars - I guarantee it
Glad to read this, and also glad to read the latest DHD article. But I'm afraid of getting too hopeful.
Instead of "Spin" let the data speak for itself. Yes, if DH was airing repeats, it would slip down in the rankings. But, its not airing those episodes. Its avarage will stay higher until then. No Blurring, just the facts.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: Yea, we would hate to have the facts blur things.
Good job of blurring the facts. Here is a fact you left out: Grey's Anatomy has aired 7 reruns this season. Desperate Housewives has aired 1 rerun this season. Given that discrepancy in the number of reruns, it should have been clear to you that including the repeat data would not provide a 'clear picture' of which show is higher rated.
In fact, one could conclude that Grey's Anatomy is clearly the #1 show because ABC actually trusts it enough in rerun that they don't have to pull the encores from the air entirely.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: Instead of "Spin" let the data speak for itself. Yes, if DH was airing repeats, it would slip down in the rankings. But, its not airing those episodes. Its avarage will stay higher until then. No Blurring, just the facts.
You cannot compare two shows 'season long viewer average' if one of those shows has aired seven times as many reruns. That sort of comparison does not make things 'more clear'. Showing those averages without even mentioning the discrepency in the number of reruns is downright dishonest representation of the data, IMO.
Originally posted by WelcomeToK-VilleAmericanGladiators: There is no reason for NBC to keep Chuck. It doesn't fit any of the other shows and they can replace it with a cheaper reality show and get better ratings with it. There are no distinguishing demos to help it out. It has no critical support. Can you blame NBC if it is a burn off?
Chuck performs strongly in the young male demos. Finding a reality show that performs better than Chuck is not as easy as it sounds. Not every reality show will perform as well as AG or the temporarily pumped-up DoND. (I'm admittedly mystified as to why a bunch of Z-list celebrities were able to revive interest in the Apprentice, which was deservedly perishing in its previous cycle, and will return to that fate in a year or two at most.) NBC can't air AG every night.
Chuck was one of the very few new fall shows to hold onto its audience throughout the fall as other new shows dropped like rocks. This Thursday broadcast was just a time-period test balloon.
Not that I expect NBC to treat Chuck well, or fairly, since it isn't produced in-house. I wouldn't be surprised to see it held back until midseason 2009 and then pre-empted unexpectedly as with Medium (another show not produced in-house, so at the corporate level, they have little incentive to treat it well).
I agree with Ike on this one -- Chuck was one of the few news shows on any network that held steady throughout the season. NBC would be foolish to cancel it, but if it does, I see it thriving on ABC or Fox if they were to pick it up. It reminds me of the lighter episodes of ABC's Alias which did well on ABC for 5 seasons. It's like they took Alias' "Marshall" character and put him into a new setting. And ditto on Medium, another show that's trying its hardest and doing very well but NBC is intent on killing it...
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Originally posted by mackTheKnife: 3.0 +/- 0.2 is considered good demos these days?
For NBC? yes
For any of the networks these days, absolutely YES!
Originally posted by TV-aholic: Yea, we would hate to have the facts blur things.
Good job of blurring the facts. Here is a fact you left out: Grey's Anatomy has aired 7 reruns this season. Desperate Housewives has aired 1 rerun this season. Given that discrepancy in the number of reruns, it should have been clear to you that including the repeat data would not provide a 'clear picture' of which show is higher rated.
In fact, one could conclude that Grey's Anatomy is clearly the #1 show because ABC actually trusts it enough in rerun that they don't have to pull the encores from the air entirely.
ABC must rerun it so much to make it worth what they charge in ad rates. Pulling in lowest demos and ratings on Friday night isn't based on trust but need.
Originally posted by KSO: ABC must rerun it so much to make it worth what they charge in ad rates. Pulling in lowest demos and ratings on Friday night isn't based on trust but need.
I'm not sure what you mean. The 7 repreat episodes mentioned above are just those running in the regular Thursday timeslot. The Friday re-airings are another issue. If I was an advertiser, I'd be rather pissed off if a Friday airing of my commercial during Grey's Anatomy qualified as a 'makegood'. If those friday airings are makegoods to fill in for lower than expected ratings on Thursdays, then what happens with all the ad space ABC originally sold for Friday primetime?
