Originally posted by Fred Farrar: Please. Accuracy DOES count.
Lost Season one: (13th place) 9.8 HH Rating Desperate Housewives (4th place) 14.5 Grey's Anatomy (8th place) 11.6 Good, but not huge, and not at all the same as DH or GA.
Lost season two: (18th place) 9.2 Desperate Houseiwves (4th place) 13.8 Grey's Anatomy (5th place) 12.5.
Lost season three: (20th place tie with Shark) 8.7 Grey's Anatomy (7th place) 12.1 Desperate Housewives (9th place) 10.8
(Source: Nielsen Media Research)
Household ratings are irrelevant, they do not even properly represent the total viewership.
A18-49 Lost Season one: 5.8 (15th place) Lost Season two: 6.4 (8th place) Lost Season three: 6.3 (9th place)
Originally posted by Fred Farrar: Please. Accuracy DOES count.
Lost Season one: (13th place) 9.8 HH Rating Desperate Housewives (4th place) 14.5 Grey's Anatomy (8th place) 11.6 Good, but not huge, and not at all the same as DH or GA.
Lost season two: (18th place) 9.2 Desperate Houseiwves (4th place) 13.8 Grey's Anatomy (5th place) 12.5.
Lost season three: (20th place tie with Shark) 8.7 Grey's Anatomy (7th place) 12.1 Desperate Housewives (9th place) 10.8
(Source: Nielsen Media Research)
Household ratings are irrelevant, they do not even properly represent the total viewership.
A18-49 Lost Season one: 5.8 (15th place) Lost Season two: 6.4 (8th place) Lost Season three: 6.3 (9th place)
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Originally posted by Fred Farrar: Please. Accuracy DOES count.
Lost Season one: (13th place) 9.8 HH Rating Desperate Housewives (4th place) 14.5 Grey's Anatomy (8th place) 11.6 Good, but not huge, and not at all the same as DH or GA.
Lost season two: (18th place) 9.2 Desperate Houseiwves (4th place) 13.8 Grey's Anatomy (5th place) 12.5.
Lost season three: (20th place tie with Shark) 8.7 Grey's Anatomy (7th place) 12.1 Desperate Housewives (9th place) 10.8
(Source: Nielsen Media Research)
Household ratings are irrelevant, they do not even properly represent the total viewership.
A18-49 Lost Season one: 5.8 (15th place) Lost Season two: 6.4 (8th place) Lost Season three: 6.3 (9th place)
Agreed! Advertisers don't care about overall viewership. Ad rates are based almost entirely on demo ratings. (How else would Fox be able to charge $196,000 for ads during Prison Break?) An average of 6.3 in A18-49s (and closer to 7.0 towards the beginning of the season) is not far off from Grey's and DH.
When discussing Chuck's ratings (or any show's ratings, really), demos are also the crucial factor.
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Nuanced said: My read of the relatively poor showing of "Chuck" is the show just doesn't cut it.
Monday night prime time and the ratings for the show were in the 7.5 to 8.00 million range --to be kind-- which is hardly exiting for a major network (NBC is still a major network?)
Advertisers don't care about that -- they'll pay a pretty decent amount of money to advertise during a show that gets around a 3.3 rating in A18-49s (as Chuck usually did on Mondays), especially if a lot of those people are men 18-34. Which they are.
Edited to add: Thanks for the correction, MackTheKnife. Hmmm, my memory sucks.
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According to this Chuck did a 3.6 for the pilot, then it did 3.3 twice and all other episodes (that would be 10 out of 13) did lower. Their average is probably closer to 3.0 or 3.1.
Average excluding the pilot and the two recent Thursday episodes: 3.07 Average including the pilot and the two recent Thursday episodes: 3.06
Originally posted by Fred Farrar: Please. Accuracy DOES count.
Lost Season one: (13th place) 9.8 HH Rating Desperate Housewives (4th place) 14.5 Grey's Anatomy (8th place) 11.6 Good, but not huge, and not at all the same as DH or GA.
Lost season two: (18th place) 9.2 Desperate Houseiwves (4th place) 13.8 Grey's Anatomy (5th place) 12.5.
Lost season three: (20th place tie with Shark) 8.7 Grey's Anatomy (7th place) 12.1 Desperate Housewives (9th place) 10.8
(Source: Nielsen Media Research)
Household ratings are irrelevant, they do not even properly represent the total viewership.
A18-49 Lost Season one: 5.8 (15th place) Lost Season two: 6.4 (8th place) Lost Season three: 6.3 (9th place)
If you want to dispute the other poster's data that compares Lost with DH and GA, you should have posted the data for DH and GA as well. As it stands, your data is pretty meaningless.
Total Viewership? OK. Here is Nielsen's Total Viewers 2+ 2006-2007 Final numbers (SD DVR viewing included).
1 AMERICAN IDOL-WED FOX 30,017 2 AMERICAN IDOL-TUESDAY FOX 29,543 3 DANCING WITH THE STARS ABC 20,464 4 CSI CBS 19,774 5 DANCING W/THE STARS-MON ABC 19,570 6 DANCING W/STARS RESULTS ABC 18,964 7 GREY'S ANATOMY-THU 9PM ABC 18,690 8 HOUSE FOX 18,517 9 DANCING W/STARS RESULT-TU ABC 18,048 10 DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES ABC 17,034 11 SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL NBC 17,008 12 CSI: MIAMI CBS 16,450 13 SURVIVOR: COOK ISLANDS CBS 15,381 14 NFL SUNDAY POST-GAME FOX 15,121 15 DEAL OR NO DEAL-MON NBC 14,831 16 WITHOUT A TRACE CBS 14,330 17 SURVIVOR: FIJI CBS 14,231 18 NCIS CBS 14,206 19 TWO AND A HALF MEN CBS 14,151 20 COLD CASE CBS 14,083 21 LOST ABC 13,778 22 CRIMINAL MINDS CBS 13,623 22 CSI: NY CBS 13,577 24 HEROES NBC 13,569 25 EXT MAKEOVER:HOME ED. ABC 13,323
I will revert to my original statement: Accuracy DOES count.
Nowhere in the original post by Lost_Dom was there any mention of the 18-49 Demo. In fact, he specifically predicted total viewership numbers for the Lost season premiere.
But I am happy to see how many impartial and veteran media professionals are here to remind us all that household ratings are irrelevant.
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Originally posted by Ike: Finding a reality show that performs better than Chuck is not as easy as it sounds. Not every reality show will perform as well as AG or the temporarily pumped-up DoND. (I'm admittedly mystified as to why a bunch of Z-list celebrities were able to revive interest in the Apprentice, which was deservedly perishing in its previous cycle, and will return to that fate in a year or two at most.) NBC can't air AG every night.
I agree. People are actually being very premature to assume that American Gladiators will continue doing well in the ratings. That show may fall apart this season. It certainly isn't a lock to perform well for years to come. The Apprentice went down in the ratings as people slowly wised up to the fact that the show has nothing to do with business and that people are not kicked off the show based upon quality or mistakes, but rather based upon entertainment value and the ability to suck up to Trump. It shouldn't be surprising that the Celebrity edition would do better since thecelebrity edition all but eliminates the theory that the show will be about business acumen.
Fred, advertisers don't even glance at that, because they are massively ageist. Sad but true. Demos, demos, demos. That's all that matters. Media Life Magazine (aimed at media buyers and planners) doesn't even report the household ratings or overall numbers, just 18-49s.
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Fred: But I am happy to see how many impartial and veteran media professionals are here to remind us all that household ratings are irrelevant.
Sure, any time!
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Originally posted by Riff Rafferty: Why blame NBC? Why not blame the stupid fans who kept going, "Put it on Thursday! Put it on Thursday! Kick '30 Rock' off Thursday! Put it there! Put it there!" If the numbers were bad, serves them right.
So, its the fans fault that randomly the show gets put on thursday night (not back-to-back) without ever telling the fans?
There was never 1 repeat aired on thursdays, there were no promos that I heard about it, nothing. If I didnt like the show, and actually go out and find out when the episodes were on, I would have had no clue they aired yesterday.
So, like is always the key for any show, people have to know when the show is going to be on, and I really dont think people knew Chuck was on last night...
So basically what your post is saying is that, yes, the "Chuck" fans are indeed stupid. There were promos running in practically every single commercial break on NBC this week. If you didn't "hear" about them, then your tuner obviously didn't spend so much as a second on your NBC affiliate this week. Because, believe me, they were there. What do you want them to do, grab a megaphone, hop a flight to your house, stand outside your window and shout as loudly as possible, "Don't forget to watch 'Chuck' this Thursday on NBC!" ?
As for running a repeat on Thursday, I'm pretty sure they were trying to see if they could boost their Thursday night ratings, not send them to historic lows.
Has it happened that a network aired an episode of a show out of night and time slot and then immediately cancelled it when the ratings were bad? Yeah. ABC did that with "Crumbs." CBS did it with "Threshold." They do that when they clearly want to get rid of a show. If NBC wanted to get rid of "Chuck," they wouldn't have had the cast host the entire night and shoot, like, a half dozen TV spots that ran all week long.
-- "Better Off Ted," Wednesdays at some time or another at some point or another in the near future. Because we can't all live in mansions and not ever work like the people on "Modern Family."
Originally posted by Obveeus: Grey's Anatomy is still their #1 scripted show for the season.
I think they're very close.. maybe DH with 7.3 in the demo and Grey's with 7.4
I just checked the numbers TV-aholic compiles here and DH has a 7.25 demo rating for 10 new episodes. GA has a 7.5 demo rating for 11 new episodes. GA would have a 7.75 demo average if not for the Thanksgiving episode. In viewers, DH leads by 18.88 to 18.45, but again, the small lead is due to GA airing on Thanksgiving. Indeed, a close race.
Remember when calculating a season average you include ALL airings (New and Repeats) that are shown in its regular time slot.
Originally posted by WelcomeToK-VilleAmericanGladiators: The problem with Chuck is NBC has no clue where to put it. It doesn't match well with anything else they have in their lineup. And it won't be on Thursdays again. It bombed in the ratings.
1) you can't look at last nights CHUCK ratings and say it wont work on Thursdays. There was hardly any promotion for it and an episode had not aired in almost 2 months.
2) If part of a regular schedule that includes The Office and Earl plus a 10pm drama, it would just as good, if not better than what Earl has done in the 8pm hour.
3) NBC does need to take a page from the CBS book (BBT repeats) and air CHUCK repeats. Try to get a following going with a second run.
Originally posted by WelcomeToK-VilleAmericanGladiators: I have a feeling you are going to see a lot of reality and their dramas/comedies will mostly be brand new ones that they have existing pilots for. NBC is going to cut a lot of their older shows. Law and Orders (all of them), Medium is probably spared but the rest is going under the firing squad.
WOW, all you forgot to write down was that NBC will be picking up K-Vile and airing it on Thursdays at 10pm.
Originally posted by WelcomeToK-VilleAmericanGladiators: While watcing the Celebrity Apprentice, they ran Chuck ads every five minutes. The low ratings were not a result of a lack of promotion.
All that shows is that promoted the heck out of it to Apprentice fans.
Was there promos during DOND, Medium, AG, L&O (all flavors), etc....
How does airing 2 episodes, on a single Thursday, with no more in the can during a writer's strike test a shows "legs"? I'm not sure what it tests but certainly not "legs"
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Originally posted by nuanced: My read of the relatively poor showing of "Chuck" is the show just doesn't cut it.
Monday night prime time and the ratings for the show were in the 7.5 to 8.00 million range --to be kind-- which is hardly exiting for a major network (NBC is still a major network?)
The try-out for Thursday is probably the execs seeing if the show would have more legs on a Thursday night. So now ya know. Wouldn't surprise me if they ran-off the show at 10pm on a Thursday--as that is marginally more respectable than its previous numbers.
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