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quote: If The CW and FOX merge, there wouldn't be any CW shows on the air.
ANTM and Smackdown would still be up and running. SD could help FOX's problems with Friday Nights
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| Posts: 15759 | Location: Indiana | Registered: 20 September 2006 | |
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What I wish the CW would try (don't know if it would help), is to produce 26 hours a year for their drama's and coemdies,instead of the more common 22. This would allow them to start earlier and not take a longer then standard break (which UPN and the WB have tried over the years with a 22 season) and always lost any real gain over the longer break. Or things like agressively program during the summer months and have shorter series for the December/January break to see if that would help them.
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quote: But Brothers & Sisters is consistently in that range, while Journeyman took a substanial week-to-week hit. If Journeyman stays at 70% (which it won't), then it would be looked upon much more favorably.
Well, its only been two weeks, so lets see what happens after a month, then we'll get idea of how the season may go.
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| Posts: 15759 | Location: Indiana | Registered: 20 September 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by mswood:
What I wish the CW would try (don't know if it would help), is to produce 26 hours a year for their drama's and coemdies,instead of the more common 22.
Last year, they didn't even have the budget to do 22 of some of their dramas.
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| Posts: 7640 | Location: Houston, TX | Registered: 19 November 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by tvfan300: quote: Originally posted by mswood:
What I wish the CW would try (don't know if it would help), is to produce 26 hours a year for their drama's and coemdies,instead of the more common 22.
Last year, they didn't even have the budget to do 22 of some of their dramas.
That was VM wasn't it? Was that because they couldn't afford it, or due to a lack of faith inteh show and not wanting to waste money on what they (most likely at this point) believed to be a lost cause?
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quote: Originally posted by Marc Berman:
Prime-Time Ratings:
Sunday 10/07/07
The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)
-Total Viewers:
NBC: 13.66 million, ABC: 12.44, CBS: 11.53, Fox: 8.30, CW: 1.27
-Adults 18-49:
NBC: 5.6 rating/15 share, ABC: 4.4/12, Fox: 2.9/ 8, CBS: 2.6/ 7, CW: 0.4/ 1
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-Yesterday’s Winners:
60 Minutes (CBS), Sunday Night Football (NBC), Desperate Housewives (ABC)
-Honorable Mention:
Extreme Makeover: Home Edition (ABC), Cold Case (CBS), The Simpsons (Fox), Family Guy (Fox), Brothers & Sisters (ABC)
-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
CW Now, Online Nation (CW), Life is Wild (CW)
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Note: Any prior rating results are based on the final nationals. Also, since the level of DVR penetration has increased from approximately 9 percent during week two in 2006 to about 20 percent at present, the overall results have been negatively impacted.
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-Ratings Breakdown:
NBC dominated this second Sunday of the 2007-08 season, with the Chicago vs. Green Bay match-up on Sunday Night Football at an estimated 16.40 million viewers and a 6.7 rating/17 share among adults 18-49 from 8:30-11 p.m. Remember, fast affiliate results for any live event are always approximate. Earlier in the evening on NBC was pre-game Football Night in America at 7.26 million viewers (#3) and a 2.9/ 9 (#1t) from 7-8 p.m., and a dominant 12.80 million viewers and a 5.2/14 in the demo in the 8 p.m. half-hour.
CBS opened the evening with Football in the 7 p.m. half-hour (Viewers: #1, 11.78 million; A18-49: #1, 3.6/11), followed by a 90-minute edition of 60 Minutes at a comfortable 10.80 million viewers and a 2.1/ 6 among adults 18-49 from 7:30-9 p.m. The Eye net capped off the evening in the 9-11 p.m. block with older skewing dramas Cold Case (Viewers: #2, 12.81 million; A18-49: #4, 2.9/ 7) and Shark (Viewers: #3, 11.20 million; A18-49: #3, 2.5/ 6). As I always say, there is nothing wrong with including programming targeted to an older audience on the schedule.
ABC opened the evening with the season-premiere of America’s Funniest Home Videos (Viewers: #2, 8.48 million; A18-49: #3, 2.6/ 8), followed by Extreme Makeover: Home Edition (Viewers: #2, 11.66 million; A18-49: #2, 4.1/10), Desperate Housewives (Viewers: #1, 17.41 million; A18-49: #1, 6.6/16), and must see Brothers & Sisters (Viewers: #2, 12.21 million; A18-49: #2, 4.5/12). Compared to one year earlier, this same combination of programming averaged 14.36 million viewers and a 5.5 rating among adults 18-49 for the night -- 1.92 million more viewers and a 25 percent advantage in the demo.
Fox finished fourth in total viewers and third overall among adults 18-49 with the following line-up:
Fox
7:00 p.m. King of the Hill (R)
Viewers: 3.62 million (#4), A18-49: 1.5/ 5 (#4)
7:30 p.m. The Simpsons (R)
Viewers: 5.39 million (#4), A18-49: 2.3/ 7 (#3)
8:00 p.m. The Simpsons
Viewers: 7.74 million (#4), A18-49: 3.6/10 (#2t)
8:30 p.m. King of the Hill
Viewers: 6.16 million (#4), A18-49: 2.9/ 7 (#3)
9:00 p.m. Family Guy
Viewers: 8.39 million (#4), A18-49: 4.0/ 9 (#3)
9:30 p.m. American Dad
Viewers: 6.58 million (#4), A18-49: 3.0/ 7 (#3)
In series-premiere news, CW drama Life Is Wild opened with a mere (and last-place) 1.64 million viewers and a 0.4/ 1 among adults 18-49 from 8-9 p.m. Comparably, built on the performance of record-low rated lead-in Online Nation (Viewers: 762,000; A18-49: 0.3/ 1 at 7:30 p.m.) by 878,000 viewers and 33 percent in the demo. But versus sitcoms Girlfriends (Viewers: 2.85 million; A18-49: 1.3/ 3) and The Game (Viewers: 2.69 million; A18-49: 1.1/ 3) on the year-ago evening (Oct. 8, 2006), which ultimately moved back to Monday, that was a loss of a hefty 1.13 million viewers and 75 percent in the demo. Ouch! Also airing on the CW was 7 p.m. newsmagazine CW Now (Viewers: 852,000; A18-49: 0.4/ 1) and a repeat of America’s Next Top Model at 9 p.m. (Viewers: 1.36 million; A18-49: 0.5/ 1). Needless to say, the CW is almost non-existent on Sunday.
Source: Nielsen Media Research data
I think the biggest loser (and continues to be) is the overrated and tired 60 Minutes. Nothing but 18-49 means anything. This show stunk up the joint. The last half hour of NFL Football had a 3.6 18-49 on CBS. 60 Minutes dropped nearly 40% of its lead-in 18-49. How is that a winner? CBS should find a male skewing show to lead out of football and move the old-skewing 60 Minutes to Saturday night. This is the show that is killing them on Sunday night. It had the second lowest ratings on the night 18-49 outside of the KOTH rerun at 7pm. Marc - I rarely disagree with you, but 60 Minutes continues to be a loser. 7:30pm Football Night 3.4 AFHV 3.0 Simpsons (r) 2.3 60 Minutes 2.2 Online Nation 0.3 8:00pm Football Night 5.2 Extreme Makeover 3.6 The Simpsons 3.6 60 Minutes 2.2 Life Is Wild 0.4 8:30pm Football 6.7 Extreme Makeover 4.5 King Of The Hill 2.9 60 Minutes 1.8 Life Is Wild 0.4 |
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| Posts: 331 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: 27 October 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by mswood:
What I wish the CW would try (don't know if it would help), is to produce 26 hours a year for their drama's and coemdies,instead of the more common 22.
This would allow them to start earlier and not take a longer then standard break (which UPN and the WB have tried over the years with a 22 season) and always lost any real gain over the longer break.
Or things like agressively program during the summer months and have shorter series for the December/January break to see if that would help them.
They can't get the 22 right - why would they go with 26. This network is in HUGE trouble. They took two moderately viable networks and turned it into one bad one. I still believe the WB name had value and the egos at Viacom ruined this network because they put Dawn in charge. |
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| Posts: 331 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: 27 October 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by TV-aholic: quote: If The CW and FOX merge, there wouldn't be any CW shows on the air.
ANTM and Smackdown would still be up and running. SD could help FOX's problems with Friday Nights
Fox could save Smallville and Supernatural too... maybe. |
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| Posts: 331 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: 27 October 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by mswood: quote: Originally posted by tvfan300: quote: Originally posted by mswood:
What I wish the CW would try (don't know if it would help), is to produce 26 hours a year for their drama's and coemdies,instead of the more common 22.
Last year, they didn't even have the budget to do 22 of some of their dramas.
That was VM wasn't it? Was that because they couldn't afford it, or due to a lack of faith inteh show and not wanting to waste money on what they (most likely at this point) believed to be a lost cause?
VM got 20 episodes and OTH got 21. At this point I really wish OTH ended last year this way it went out well (perfect ending to the series not just the season) and won't return with horrible ratings just to get cancelled. I'm so torn tonight Monday's have always been my comedy night but now I have to watch chuck too. I was just on my other chat board and there were a lot of complaints concerning LIW, that the editing was HORRIBLE, and acting was just bad, true? |
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quote: Originally posted by Anthony: quote: Originally posted by mswood:
What I wish the CW would try (don't know if it would help), is to produce 26 hours a year for their drama's and coemdies,instead of the more common 22.
This would allow them to start earlier and not take a longer then standard break (which UPN and the WB have tried over the years with a 22 season) and always lost any real gain over the longer break.
Or things like agressively program during the summer months and have shorter series for the December/January break to see if that would help them.
They can't get the 22 right - why would they go with 26. This network is in HUGE trouble. They took two moderately viable networks and turned it into one bad one. I still believe the WB name had value and the egos at Viacom ruined this network because they put Dawn in charge.
Not to continue with the CW chat (I know this bothers some) but I've been meaning to ask. This is the second season for Dawn and so far shaping up worst than last year. At what point does the BIG bosses step in and replace her, or is there a contract for so many years of service..(not wanting to start the debate of being her fault or not, just curious on how the networks work) |
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Pretty much can remove her at any time (same for any network exec). The only thing is they often have alrge payout deals. Curious how much it would cost to fire her? As to when? I can see her not getting the ax last season (though I would have if I was in charge). And again, I like their development slate for scripted shows. But at some point (I would assume this season), that she will get fired. Unless these shows get some serious traction and build (or if the DVR numbers are very strong across the board for the netlet). I really want to see how this effects all teh shows (across all networks) but I am really curious for the CW and all 10pm shows of the main networks. Yeah its interesting that for the bulk of their run, UPN had the higher viewers. But the WB managed to successfully brand themselves. But neither was a viable company, thus why both were thinking of cutting their losses.
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quote: Originally posted by mswood:
Pretty much can remove her at any time (same for any network exec). The only thing is they often have alrge payout deals.
Curious how much it would cost to fire her?
Yeah its interesting that for the bulk of their run, UPN had the higher viewers. But the WB managed to successfully brand themselves. But neither was a viable company, thus why both were thinking of cutting their losses.
She's made so many mistakes in 18 months it's not even funny. She trashed Everwood, killed 7th Heaven and Gilmore Girls, and kept Veronica Mars. |
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| Posts: 331 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: 27 October 2006 | |
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I watched it and was not impressed with it. The characters were not memorable, the writing was choppy, and the acting was not up to snuff. I mean the show opened with them in the states for like 2-5 minutes and then they are off to South Africa. Historically, the one thing they did mention and get right was the South African aparti, which is not going on anymore there. I think had they spent more time with the writing of the pilot, it probably would have been a little better. Oh...the voiceover...not a big fan of, although they decided to use that technique to explain to the audience what was going on. Could have done without that. So, I don't know. There were problems with the pilot in my eyes...but only time will tell if this series improves. Peace!! quote: Originally posted by Naleyfanforver: quote: Originally posted by mswood: quote: Originally posted by tvfan300: quote: Originally posted by mswood:
What I wish the CW would try (don't know if it would help), is to produce 26 hours a year for their drama's and coemdies,instead of the more common 22.
Last year, they didn't even have the budget to do 22 of some of their dramas.
That was VM wasn't it? Was that because they couldn't afford it, or due to a lack of faith inteh show and not wanting to waste money on what they (most likely at this point) believed to be a lost cause?
VM got 20 episodes and OTH got 21. At this point I really wish OTH ended last year this way it went out well (perfect ending to the series not just the season) and won't return with horrible ratings just to get cancelled. I'm so torn tonight Monday's have always been my comedy night but now I have to watch chuck too. I was just on my other chat board and there were a lot of complaints concerning LIW, that the editing was HORRIBLE, and acting was just bad, true?
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I thinking The CW needs to no longer air programming on Sundays and just leave it to the other four networks. This really is too bad for Life Is Wild. It never had a chance. Who would of thought the CW would do worst than last year.
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