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Originally posted by TV-aholic:

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Desperate Housewives (Viewers: #1, 17.41 million; A18-49: #1, 6.6/16), and must see Brothers & Sisters (Viewers: #2, 12.21 million; A18-49: #2, 4.5/12).

Right now, the retention rate is just 70%. Once Finals come in on Tuesday, I bet it will drop because of the DH Runover.

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Originally posted by TeelaJBrown:
Wow. Just, wow. The CW programming people must be in crisis mode at this point.

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Originally posted by Bruce:

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:

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Desperate Housewives (Viewers: #1, 17.41 million; A18-49: #1, 6.6/16), and must see Brothers & Sisters (Viewers: #2, 12.21 million; A18-49: #2, 4.5/12).

Right now, the retention rate is just 70%. Once Finals come in on Tuesday, I bet it will drop because of the DH Runover.

I wonder if B&S is plagued by the
half-hour dropout blues again this
year. That pattern persisted for it
almost to the end of last year. That
said, I doubt if these retention #'s
are cause for alarm. Probably expected.

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Originally posted by skoopy1007:

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:

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Desperate Housewives (Viewers: #1, 17.41 million; A18-49: #1, 6.6/16), and must see Brothers & Sisters (Viewers: #2, 12.21 million; A18-49: #2, 4.5/12).

Right now, the retention rate is just 70%. Once Finals come in on Tuesday, I bet it will drop because of the DH Runover.

70% is fine retention for B&S. You and others need to stop being so negative. Nothing makes any of you people happy when it comes to these shows.

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Admittedly 70% isn't great, but keep in mind none of the other big hits have found something with that kind of retention. Heroes' lead-out is like 60%, Grey's is below 50%, CSI is getting around 70% from WAT (and more like 60% in demo), House doesn't even have one.

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Originally posted by WelcomeToK-Ville: Whoever green lit these pilots made huge mistakes.

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:

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Admittedly 70% isn't great, but keep in mind none of the other big hits have found something with that kind of retention. Heroes' lead-out is like 60%, Grey's is below 50%, CSI is getting around 70% from WAT (and more like 60% in demo), House doesn't even have one.

Journeyman was at 69% from Heroes last Monday. WAT was at 68%. Those are both with final numbers. B&S will be in the same range.

Now, how much have we heard how BAD Journeyman is because of its rentention rate from Heroes.

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Originally posted by robert:
CBS is the big loser so far on sundays. They've lost 8 million viewers from the previous year.
I'm really wondering how will CW treat LIW? Wil they axe it after a couple of episodes or they'll give it some more time especially seeing the big improvement over the lead-in

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perhaps.... but 10:30 is right when the NFL game got interesting.... that had to effect B&S

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
My comments are not about the show, but about the numbers.

I said the same thing thursday about WAT, and its one of my favorites.

Try not to e so thined skined.

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Originally posted by starbase135:

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Originally posted by WelcomeToK-Ville: Whoever green lit these pilots made huge mistakes.

All The CW pilots - Reaper, Gossip Girl, Aliens in America and Life is Wild - were great or even amazing. Dawn Ostroff green-lit a great line-up this season. I think that the CW's downfall was cancelling or holding back old shows like Gilmore Girls, 7th Heaven, Veronica Mars and OTH. As a result millions of viewers left the network alltogether and without an audience for promotion of new shows and good lead-ins...

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Originally posted by AL:
Yes, you are totally right here. Yet somehow their shows are not "losers".

Here are some numbers to point out:

On the year ago evening, check out the numbers for CBS' Sunday 9-11PM programs:

CBS – Cold Case
Total Viewers: 13.78 million; A18-49: 3.9/ 9

CBS – Without a Trace
Total Viewers: 14.93 million; A18-49: 4.4/10

and on the year ago week here is what Shark did:

CBS’ Shark - 14.14 million and adults 18-49 4.0/11


So Cold Case has dropped from a 3.9 in the demo to a 2.9. Meanwhile, Shark has dropped the time period demo from a 4.4 to a 2.5. And it has dropped from its own performance (on Thursday last year) from a 4.0 to a 2.5. And in total viewers Shark has dropped the time period from last years 14.93 to 11.20 this year, and has dropped its own performance (on a Thursday last year) from 14.14 to 11.20 this year.

But these show are "winners" in my book.

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Originally posted by robert:
CBS is the big loser so far on sundays. They've lost 8 million viewers from the previous year.
I'm really wondering how will CW treat LIW? Wil they axe it after a couple of episodes or they'll give it some more time especially seeing the big improvement over the lead-in