I don't understand the intense fanboyism and the intense hatred for Castle. It's just a simple procedural which usually don't raise that kind of emotions
The Class started at 8:00 and only lasted three episodes, and then moved to 8:30 after HIMYM. It always lost viewers and demo from HIMYM, and got canceled.
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Originally posted by Twins12: It is kind of interesting how AOP seems to be taking the same ratings path as The Class a few years ago. The Class also got 18 episodes, and was out after one year. I still think we need to see how AOP does the next week or two before pronouncing it a success. It has not faced House in three weeks, and its ratings have gone up without House. Next week Dr. House is back in, and I think things will change in that 8:30 time slot.
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Originally posted by Julie:
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Originally posted by Twins12: Just curious what you would do with AOP ? It is not on your schedule. Would you end it after 13 episodes ?
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Originally posted by yankeesrj12: If I was CBS I would do this (days with changes listed):
Monday: 8:00 - How I Met Your Mother 8:30 - Rules of Engagement 9:00 - Two and a Half Men 9:30 - The Big Bang Theory 10:00 - CSI: Miami
Wednesday: 8:00 - Old Christine 8:30 - Gary Unmarried 9:00 - Criminal Minds 10:00 - CSI: NY / Miami Trauma
Friday: 8:00 - Ghost Whisperer 9:00 - Medium 10:00 - Flashpoint / Cold Case
Sunday: 7:00 - 60 Minutes 8:00 - The Amazing Race 9:00 - Miami Trauma / CSI: NY 10:00 - Cold Case / Flashpoint
*CSI: NY is slipping, and a move to Sunday could help the night. Moving a new show to Wednesdays at 10pm could do well as Criminal Minds is still strong.
And also Numb3rs, which I'm pretty sure CBS ordered for the full season.
I like the idea of CSI:NY moving to Sundays. This has so far been its lowest rated season demo wise, and a move to Sundays is just calling for it. CBS really does have a lot of options - do they pick up a 2nd cycle of The Amazing Race? Do they stick with Friday nights all season? Where do they put Flashpoint and The Bridge? Do they pick up a full season of AOP, which is showing signs of promise, and if so, where does that leave Rules of Engagement? Do they want to open up a 4th hour of comedy, and where?
I have a feeling although we wont see many changes this season, next season could see a few nights (particularly Sundays and Fridays, possibly Wednesdays) get a overhaul.
Since Numb3rs is weak, I pushed it off to Saturdays at 9pm to finish its run. However, Numb3rs will probably stay on Fridays at 10pm all season.
My guess is Fridays will stay the same, with Flashpoint replacing Numb3rs in March. Cold Case will also probably stay on Sundays, to air with The Bridge and another cycle of The Amazing Race. AOP will probably get a "full season" order of 18-20 episodes, with ROE coming back to replace it in March. Although we want CBS to make a lot of changes, they just won't.
The Class really got the nail in the coffin when it moved to 8pm, though, and CBS realized how much stronger of a show HIMYM was.
I do find it interesting how AOP held steady from 2 weeks ago, when it built on HIMYM's numbers. This week, HIMYM had a million more viewers, yet AOP stayed steady. That's definitely a sign of stabilization, and if it continues that path, a move to Wednesdays could be instore for it later in the season (especially if CBS wants to give it 22 episodes rather than 18).
Originally posted by lost_fan: I don't understand the intense fanboyism and the intense hatred for Castle. It's just a simple procedural which usually don't raise that kind of emotions
It's all a backwash from the continuing fanfreak denial over Firefly's failure.
I just got sick of hearing about how he was the next Harrison Ford.
Originally posted by lopez: ABC's "V" is getting a new leader; Scott Peters exits as showrunner
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ABC's "V" is getting "Chuck"-ed.
The red-hot alien drama, which premieres tonight following glowing reviews, has nonetheless made a change at the top. Original showrunner Scott Peters has been replaced by "Chuck" alum Scott Rosenbaum, ABC confirmed Tuesday.
Peters will retain an executive producer credit on "V." But Rosenbaum, an executive producer on "Chuck" (and "The Shield"), will now be at the helm.
The showrunner shift had been anticipated in Hollywood circles for weeks, since ABC and Warner Bros. TV made the joint decision to halt production on the series in order to get scripts in shape. According to USA Today, which broke the news of the shuffle, Peters was removed from his post last Thursday.
"V" begins a four-episode run tonight at 8. It's scheduled to return in March for the remainder of its first season.
Originally posted by lopez: ABC's "V" is getting a new leader; Scott Peters exits as showrunner
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ABC's "V" is getting "Chuck"-ed.
The red-hot alien drama, which premieres tonight following glowing reviews, has nonetheless made a change at the top. Original showrunner Scott Peters has been replaced by "Chuck" alum Scott Rosenbaum, ABC confirmed Tuesday.
Peters will retain an executive producer credit on "V." But Rosenbaum, an executive producer on "Chuck" (and "The Shield"), will now be at the helm.
The showrunner shift had been anticipated in Hollywood circles for weeks, since ABC and Warner Bros. TV made the joint decision to halt production on the series in order to get scripts in shape. According to USA Today, which broke the news of the shuffle, Peters was removed from his post last Thursday.
"V" begins a four-episode run tonight at 8. It's scheduled to return in March for the remainder of its first season.
While we're on the subject... what is everyone's predictions on tonight? This is a tough one because its slotted in a pretty competitive timeslot with NCIS and TBL.
If Trauma's numbers continue to grow, I'm sure NBC can always reconsider and order more episodes, right?
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Originally posted by WlcmZapataTexas: I think that's what NBC should have done. They renewed the wrong show too early and let the one with potential go, in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Julie: Perhaps NBC would have been wise to go with Trauma at 8pm Wednesday, axing Mercy?
"A few years ago" was a very different time for TV ratings and the numbers Surface pulled back then, while higher than many of today's shows, weren't very good.
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Originally posted by A.C.: Can't really expect anyone to invest in TRAUMA now knowing it was cancelled.
A few years ago NBC had a neat little SCI FI show called SURFACE...it's ratings were a lot better than most of what they've got on today where they would renew a show likE PARKS & REC with the meagerest of ratings..and yet they cancelled SURFACE...I'm enjoying laughing at them now. That show was a keeper...they didn't even try to find a better slot than Mondays at 8pm.
Every year it amazes me that the ratings WORLD SERIES gets...people really do get worked up over a group of millionaires in pinstrip bating a ball around.
Okay, let's add "Surface" to the list of "Shows that could have saved NBC if they'd only let them."
Originally posted by lost_fan: I don't understand the intense fanboyism and the intense hatred for Castle. It's just a simple procedural which usually don't raise that kind of emotions
It's all a backwash from the continuing fanfreak denial over Firefly's failure.
I just got sick of hearing about how he was the next Harrison Ford.
AT BEST, he's the poor man's Bruce Campbell.
I never watched Firefly. I just liked that its a lighthearted crime drama with some actual characters who are fun. Its hardly Emmy-worthy (noting that Fillion is not Emmy worthy in general) but I still like it.
And of course people ASSUME that show from 'a few years ago' would be pulling the same ratings now as it was when it was pulled.
And the rest of us do this--
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Originally posted by TV is me: "A few years ago" was a very different time for TV ratings and the numbers Surface pulled back then, while higher than many of today's shows, weren't very good.
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Originally posted by pisher:
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Originally posted by A.C.: Can't really expect anyone to invest in TRAUMA now knowing it was cancelled.
A few years ago NBC had a neat little SCI FI show called SURFACE...it's ratings were a lot better than most of what they've got on today where they would renew a show likE PARKS & REC with the meagerest of ratings..and yet they cancelled SURFACE...I'm enjoying laughing at them now. That show was a keeper...they didn't even try to find a better slot than Mondays at 8pm.
Every year it amazes me that the ratings WORLD SERIES gets...people really do get worked up over a group of millionaires in pinstrip bating a ball around.
Okay, let's add "Surface" to the list of "Shows that could have saved NBC if they'd only let them."
I never watched Firefly. I just liked that its a lighthearted crime drama with some actual characters who are fun. Its hardly Emmy-worthy (noting that Fillion is not Emmy worthy in general) but I still like it.
Hey, I felt the same way about Knight Rider. Which was pretty damn bad, but not compared to Castle.
Fillion really sucks, doesn't he? But lots of TV actors do. The DIFFERENCE is that sucky actors from Joss Whedon shows are not allowed to just suck--they have to be geniuses, because everything Joss Whedon touches is genius. And I guess he was touching Fillion a lot.
CBS will not move CM from its time slot. It does TOO well to move for unproven comedies.
I agree. CBS couldn't get a foothold on Wed until Criminal Minds came along. It's not going anywhere right now.
The Sunday comedy block is the way to go, either at 8 or 9.
I agree that the Sunday comedy block is the way to go, but CBS doesn't seem interested in having one. They already have 1 hour on Wednesdays, so the next logical move would be to add that 2nd one at 9pm.
And Criminal Minds can stay on Wednesdays - it can just shift an hour to 10pm. Isn't it like slasher porn anyways? lol. Seems much more like a 10pm show, and could easily do the same numbers it does now at 9pm.
I think they could pair CM with its spinoff on Sundays. Moving BBT to Wednesday at 9pm would probably do well for them. Rules and Gary could lead into it.
I think CBS would be more inclined to move Men to Wednesdays before BBT. BBT is destined to move into Mondays at 9pm next season. Meanwhile, even though Men continues to be the sitcom leader, I can't imagine it lasting past season 9. It can move to Wednesdays at 9pm next season, get that night off the ground, and hopefully launch another big comedy in the near future.
If they want to do this, though, chances are we'll see all the comedies back, including OC, GU, and ROE. With GU, it does well in the demo, better than Christine, but it should considering it airs a half hour later. Old Christine still manages more viewers, most of which are female, something CBS has prided the show on in the past. I still wish ABC got hold of this show - would've been a perfect fit with The Middle.
Originally posted by lost_fan: I don't understand the intense fanboyism and the intense hatred for Castle. It's just a simple procedural which usually don't raise that kind of emotions
It has almost nothing to do with the show itself. It's all about Pisher.
Originally posted by WlcmZapataTexas: Trauma pulls a 2.1 which is higher than Mercy has pulled in the last few weeks under much tougher competition and it is cancelled while Mercy gets a full season renewal? Am I the only one who isn't getting this? Mercy has to be as cheap as Trauma is allegedly expensive, because the ratings don't stack up with the renewal decision.
i know trama is very expensive like a million dollars an episode or something.
Can we just ask pisher to just leave castle alone it's irritating.
Originally posted by Twins12: The Class started at 8:00 and only lasted three episodes, and then moved to 8:30 after HIMYM. It always lost viewers and demo from HIMYM, and got canceled.
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Originally posted by Twins12: It is kind of interesting how AOP seems to be taking the same ratings path as The Class a few years ago. The Class also got 18 episodes, and was out after one year. I still think we need to see how AOP does the next week or two before pronouncing it a success. It has not faced House in three weeks, and its ratings have gone up without House. Next week Dr. House is back in, and I think things will change in that 8:30 time slot.
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Originally posted by Julie:
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Originally posted by yankeesrj12:
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Originally posted by Julie:
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Originally posted by Twins12: Just curious what you would do with AOP ? It is not on your schedule. Would you end it after 13 episodes ?
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Originally posted by yankeesrj12: If I was CBS I would do this (days with changes listed):
Monday: 8:00 - How I Met Your Mother 8:30 - Rules of Engagement 9:00 - Two and a Half Men 9:30 - The Big Bang Theory 10:00 - CSI: Miami
Wednesday: 8:00 - Old Christine 8:30 - Gary Unmarried 9:00 - Criminal Minds 10:00 - CSI: NY / Miami Trauma
Friday: 8:00 - Ghost Whisperer 9:00 - Medium 10:00 - Flashpoint / Cold Case
Sunday: 7:00 - 60 Minutes 8:00 - The Amazing Race 9:00 - Miami Trauma / CSI: NY 10:00 - Cold Case / Flashpoint
*CSI: NY is slipping, and a move to Sunday could help the night. Moving a new show to Wednesdays at 10pm could do well as Criminal Minds is still strong.
And also Numb3rs, which I'm pretty sure CBS ordered for the full season.
I like the idea of CSI:NY moving to Sundays. This has so far been its lowest rated season demo wise, and a move to Sundays is just calling for it. CBS really does have a lot of options - do they pick up a 2nd cycle of The Amazing Race? Do they stick with Friday nights all season? Where do they put Flashpoint and The Bridge? Do they pick up a full season of AOP, which is showing signs of promise, and if so, where does that leave Rules of Engagement? Do they want to open up a 4th hour of comedy, and where?
I have a feeling although we wont see many changes this season, next season could see a few nights (particularly Sundays and Fridays, possibly Wednesdays) get a overhaul.
Since Numb3rs is weak, I pushed it off to Saturdays at 9pm to finish its run. However, Numb3rs will probably stay on Fridays at 10pm all season.
My guess is Fridays will stay the same, with Flashpoint replacing Numb3rs in March. Cold Case will also probably stay on Sundays, to air with The Bridge and another cycle of The Amazing Race. AOP will probably get a "full season" order of 18-20 episodes, with ROE coming back to replace it in March. Although we want CBS to make a lot of changes, they just won't.
The Class really got the nail in the coffin when it moved to 8pm, though, and CBS realized how much stronger of a show HIMYM was.
I do find it interesting how AOP held steady from 2 weeks ago, when it built on HIMYM's numbers. This week, HIMYM had a million more viewers, yet AOP stayed steady. That's definitely a sign of stabilization, and if it continues that path, a move to Wednesdays could be instore for it later in the season (especially if CBS wants to give it 22 episodes rather than 18).
My mistake, but you're absolutely right. The Class was always a pretty weak show, though. Even if CBS had renewed it for a 2nd season, it wouldn't have gone anywhere. Instead, they're left with 2 low rated Wednesday comedies and AOP, which is kind of in a similar situation right now.
