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quote: Originally posted by robert: quote: Originally posted by dumont: quote: Originally posted by spotupj: quote: Originally posted by Marc Berman:
Third in the 9-10 p.m. was CBS’ recently relocated Shark (Viewers: 10.43 million; A18-49: 2.2/ 5), which is performing similarly to former occupant The Unit
Only about 400K less in viewers, but more importantly, the year-ago Unit got a 3.1 (over 40% higher), which was good for full retention in the demo out of NCIS. And it was facing House. If they renew Shark, it will definitely not be because it's doing favorably relative to the year-ago Unit numbers.
Moonlight gets better A18-49 numbers on low-HUT, low A18-49 Fridays than Shark is capable of producing on Tuesdays. Moonlight also does a better job of retaining its lead-in young adult demo. Time to go back to making movies, Mr. Woods.
Please check the data before writing on the forum
Excuse me, Robert, but perhaps you should tie a little string around your pinky to remind yourself not to offer me any of your advice before first checking up your own datapoints. For in this instance, it is your own empty statement that is found rather naked of fact to back it up.
New NCIS into New Shark (2 episodes to date)
NCIS CBS HH 9.1
TUE 8-9 60 % 15
A18-49 demo time A18-49 2.90
slot rank 1-6 demo rank 3
viewers thousands 14275
Shark:2 CBS HH 6.8
TUE 9-10 60 % 10
A18-49 demo time A18-49 2.20
slot rank 1-6 demo rank 3
viewers thousands 10235
Shark Retention HH 74%
% 69%
A18-49 76%
demo rank holds ranking
viewers 72%
New Ghost Whisperer into New Moonlight (14 episodes to date)
Ghost Whisperer CBS HH 6.0
FRI 8-9 60 % 11
A18-49 demo time A18-49 2.57
slot rank 1-6 demo rank 1
viewers thousands 9415
Moonlight CBS HH 5.0
FRI 9-10 60 % 9
A18-49 demo time A18-49 2.27
slot rank 1-6 demo rank 1
viewers thousands 7799
Shark Retention HH 84%
% 80%
A18-49 88%
demo rank holds ranking
viewers 83%
Moonlight averaged 2.27 in A18-49 on low-demo Fridays vs. 2.20 for Shark on high-demo Tuesdays. Moonlight retains 88% of its young adult lead-in from Moonlight, whereas Shark can only keep 76% of the young adult viewers fed to it by NCIS. Shark does average 10.2 million viewers vs. 7.8 million for Moonlight, but the vast bulk of Shark viewers are outside the Madison Avenue valued demographic. For this, Shark is useful in selling retirement products and erectile dysfunction products. There is one positive that I can share with all about Shark. At least, in its two Tuesday broadcasts, it did not fall to fourth place in A18-49 to SNL / L&O:SVU encores. That is Shark's one and only great Tuesday accomplishment. It beat NBC. |
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quote: Originally posted by dumont:
For this, Shark is useful in selling retirement products and erectile dysfunction products.
There is one positive that I can share with all about Shark. At least, in its two Tuesday broadcasts, it did not fall to fourth place in A18-49 to SNL / L&O:SVU encores. That is Shark's one and only great Tuesday accomplishment. It beat NBC.
Considering the declining rate of people my age (especially men) who aren't going to college and who don't have money, the future may be in the erectile dysfunction companies.
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Thanks mushu -- I agree that all 3 shows (WMC, BL, and Eli Stone) should return. BTW, I'm "Chimera" but since I could not remember my old email/password combo, I created a new account as "Chimaera"  |
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quote: Originally posted by dumont: quote: Originally posted by robert: quote: Originally posted by dumont: quote: Originally posted by spotupj: quote: Originally posted by Marc Berman:
Third in the 9-10 p.m. was CBS’ recently relocated Shark (Viewers: 10.43 million; A18-49: 2.2/ 5), which is performing similarly to former occupant The Unit
Only about 400K less in viewers, but more importantly, the year-ago Unit got a 3.1 (over 40% higher), which was good for full retention in the demo out of NCIS. And it was facing House. If they renew Shark, it will definitely not be because it's doing favorably relative to the year-ago Unit numbers.
Moonlight gets better A18-49 numbers on low-HUT, low A18-49 Fridays than Shark is capable of producing on Tuesdays. Moonlight also does a better job of retaining its lead-in young adult demo. Time to go back to making movies, Mr. Woods.
Please check the data before writing on the forum
Excuse me, Robert, but perhaps you should tie a little string around your pinky to remind yourself not to offer me any of your advice before first checking up your own datapoints. For in this instance, it is your own empty statement that is found rather naked of fact to back it up.
New NCIS into New Shark (2 episodes to date)
NCIS CBS HH 9.1
TUE 8-9 60 % 15
A18-49 demo time A18-49 2.90
slot rank 1-6 demo rank 3
viewers thousands 14275
Shark:2 CBS HH 6.8
TUE 9-10 60 % 10
A18-49 demo time A18-49 2.20
slot rank 1-6 demo rank 3
viewers thousands 10235
Shark Retention HH 74%
% 69%
A18-49 76%
demo rank holds ranking
viewers 72%
New Ghost Whisperer into New Moonlight (14 episodes to date)
Ghost Whisperer CBS HH 6.0
FRI 8-9 60 % 11
A18-49 demo time A18-49 2.57
slot rank 1-6 demo rank 1
viewers thousands 9415
Moonlight CBS HH 5.0
FRI 9-10 60 % 9
A18-49 demo time A18-49 2.27
slot rank 1-6 demo rank 1
viewers thousands 7799
Shark Retention HH 84%
% 80%
A18-49 88%
demo rank holds ranking
viewers 83%
Moonlight averaged 2.27 in A18-49 on low-demo Fridays vs. 2.20 for Shark on high-demo Tuesdays. Moonlight retains 88% of its young adult lead-in from Moonlight, whereas Shark can only keep 76% of the young adult viewers fed to it by NCIS. Shark does average 10.2 million viewers vs. 7.8 million for Moonlight, but the vast bulk of Shark viewers are outside the Madison Avenue valued demographic. For this, Shark is useful in selling retirement products and erectile dysfunction products. There is one positive that I can share with all about Shark. At least, in its two Tuesday broadcasts, it did not fall to fourth place in A18-49 to SNL / L&O:SVU encores. That is Shark's one and only great Tuesday accomplishment. It beat NBC.
Are you kidding? You compare all the episodes of Moonlight with a couple of Shark episodes. Why don't you compare with Shark's sunday numbers also Since it has moved to Tuesdays SHark has soundly beaten Moonlight in viewers and slighlty beaten Moonlight in demos. So you're the one who should check the data before writing something. Just as i said. |
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Another Tuesday, another week of record lows for Idol. It's time for the networks to attack this.
I really think WMC will be renewed and go back to Fridays(where it should have stayed rather than the pathetic Duel which is losing to FOX and The CW).
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyU:
Hopefully, this is enough for Reaper to get renewed.
Reaper is now pulling more viewers than OTH and Gossip Girl and sometimes Supernatural, i say it will get at least a 13 episode pickup |
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quote: Originally posted by A.C.:
Hey anyone know when the CBS UPFRONT will be?
I'm dying to know if they will finally do the right thing and greenlight TWO AMAZING RACES-one for fall and the other for spring!
CBS Upfronts are apparently on the 14th. The scheduled dates for all networks can be found here on Finke's DHD. |
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Welcome back! quote: Originally posted by Chimaera: Thanks mushu -- I agree that all 3 shows (WMC, BL, and Eli Stone) should return. BTW, I'm "Chimera" but since I could not remember my old email/password combo, I created a new account as "Chimaera"
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I think Fridays will be dominated by comedies and 20/20. If something like Good Behavior makes it on Friday, it is likely to pull in higher numbers than WMC. I think ABC is looking towards the future with Fridays and they view WMC as something that has a cap in viewers. quote: Originally posted by mushu_jj:
The fact that it doesn't fit and does bring in some viewers is a reason for ABC to keep it and use it as a resource to prop up Fridays. ABC needs to diversify so they don't become the serialized CBS in which all they have are one type of program. In fact, they basically already have. The same can be said for Eli Stone and Boston Legal. Perhaps the most interesting thing about all of these shows is that ABC has used nothing at times this past year as lead ins for these shows and they still have pretty stable amounts of viewers left.
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quote: Originally posted by robert: quote: Originally posted by dumont: quote: Originally posted by robert: quote: Originally posted by dumont: quote: Originally posted by spotupj: quote: Originally posted by Marc Berman:
Third in the 9-10 p.m. was CBS’ recently relocated Shark (Viewers: 10.43 million; A18-49: 2.2/ 5), which is performing similarly to former occupant The Unit
Only about 400K less in viewers, but more importantly, the year-ago Unit got a 3.1 (over 40% higher), which was good for full retention in the demo out of NCIS. And it was facing House. If they renew Shark, it will definitely not be because it's doing favorably relative to the year-ago Unit numbers.
Moonlight gets better A18-49 numbers on low-HUT, low A18-49 Fridays than Shark is capable of producing on Tuesdays. Moonlight also does a better job of retaining its lead-in young adult demo. Time to go back to making movies, Mr. Woods.
Please check the data before writing on the forum
Excuse me, Robert, but perhaps you should tie a little string around your pinky to remind yourself not to offer me any of your advice before first checking up your own datapoints. For in this instance, it is your own empty statement that is found rather naked of fact to back it up.
New NCIS into New Shark (2 episodes to date)
NCIS CBS HH 9.1
TUE 8-9 60 % 15
A18-49 demo time A18-49 2.90
slot rank 1-6 demo rank 3
viewers thousands 14275
Shark:2 CBS HH 6.8
TUE 9-10 60 % 10
A18-49 demo time A18-49 2.20
slot rank 1-6 demo rank 3
viewers thousands 10235
Shark Retention HH 74%
% 69%
A18-49 76%
demo rank holds ranking
viewers 72%
New Ghost Whisperer into New Moonlight (14 episodes to date)
Ghost Whisperer CBS HH 6.0
FRI 8-9 60 % 11
A18-49 demo time A18-49 2.57
slot rank 1-6 demo rank 1
viewers thousands 9415
Moonlight CBS HH 5.0
FRI 9-10 60 % 9
A18-49 demo time A18-49 2.27
slot rank 1-6 demo rank 1
viewers thousands 7799
Shark Retention HH 84%
% 80%
A18-49 88%
demo rank holds ranking
viewers 83%
Moonlight averaged 2.27 in A18-49 on low-demo Fridays vs. 2.20 for Shark on high-demo Tuesdays. Moonlight retains 88% of its young adult lead-in from Moonlight, whereas Shark can only keep 76% of the young adult viewers fed to it by NCIS. Shark does average 10.2 million viewers vs. 7.8 million for Moonlight, but the vast bulk of Shark viewers are outside the Madison Avenue valued demographic. For this, Shark is useful in selling retirement products and erectile dysfunction products. There is one positive that I can share with all about Shark. At least, in its two Tuesday broadcasts, it did not fall to fourth place in A18-49 to SNL / L&O:SVU encores. That is Shark's one and only great Tuesday accomplishment. It beat NBC.
Are you kidding? You compare all the episodes of Moonlight with a couple of Shark episodes. Why don't you compare with Shark's sunday numbers also Since it has moved to Tuesdays SHark has soundly beaten Moonlight in viewers and slighlty beaten Moonlight in demos. So you're the one who should check the data before writing something. Just as i said.
Well, since my original argument (bolded above for the challenged of comprehension)compared Shark Tuesdays to Moonlight Fridays, I don't see what pertinence Shark Sunday has to the argument. |
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I will second that. I doubt the CW will cancel Reaper. quote: Originally posted by supertvfan101: quote: Originally posted by JimmyU:
Hopefully, this is enough for Reaper to get renewed.
Reaper is now pulling more viewers than OTH and Gossip Girl and sometimes Supernatural, i say it will get at least a 13 episode pickup
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quote:
Yeah I can see that but has anything held onto that lead-in on ABC? Boston Legal didn't hold it either! It's looking like it's between Eli, Boston Legal & WMC for pick up and as Shawn says it has more of a chance of growth being a procedural! I think out of those three shows WMC should be the one to give another chance! JMO though!
Blah... I agree holding lead-ins at ABC, particularly dancing is tough. but based on legal's last original episode (overnights on april 22) following dancing... BL held 60% and 70% of the dancing lead-in audience and demo. WMC held 45% and 50%. that's a significant difference. |
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