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quote: Originally posted by pisher: quote: Uh, no.
sci-fi Pronunciation[sahy-fahy]
–adjective 1. of or pertaining to science fiction: a writer of sci-fi books.
–noun 2. science fiction.
Yeah, I'm so impressed by an unnamed (and obviously online) dictionary citation of a slang term.  I'm an oldtime SF buff. We loathe despise and abominate the term 'scifi', always have, always will. Because it doesn't mean anything. Because it takes the carefully thought out ideas of a great literary genre, and turns them into pop cultural fodder for braindead studio execs. Science Fiction is for people who want to think. SciFi is for people who want to see stuff blow up, or get grossed out. The latter is more popular, to be sure--also a lot more ephemeral. I see absolutely no reason, btw, why the self-named SciFi Channel (which has not ever felt like it had to confine itself to science fiction) shouldn't air Mork and Mindy. Which isn't really SciFi, btw--it's SitCom. 
I'm an oldtime SciFi buff, too. And I don't know a single person who cares whether it's called SF, SciFi, or Science Fiction. People who get hung up on words really need to find other things to do with their time. Like 'trekkers'. It's 'trekkie', ok? You're not actually the one making the trek, Kirk is, so trekker is wholly inappropriate. Blech. Anywho, like I said M&M is a step up for Skiffy so we shouldn't really be criticizing. PS: As an old-timer, let me ask you: is the High Crusade 'fantasy' or 'science fiction'? I've had the debate several times before and I've never heard a satisfying answer.
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| Posts: 132 | Location: High Point, NC | Registered: 21 April 2008 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Obveeus: quote: Originally posted by Holly:
Acurate or not, for most people, Sci-fi is lumped together with fantasy and supernatural. I'm sure there are libraries with Harry Potter shelved in the "Sci-Fi" section.
True enough, but I doubt you will find any library or video store that puts Mork&Mindy in the sci-fi area.
Well, no, it'd be in the Television section. As would Battlestar Galactica.
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| Posts: 132 | Location: High Point, NC | Registered: 21 April 2008 | |
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| Posts: 14222 | Location: Indiana | Registered: 20 September 2006 | |
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First, find me a Library or Video stor that is STOCKING Mork & Mindy Second, it is a comdey first. And I would say it is on the fringe of the scifi genre. How is Mork & Mindy much different than a movie like Starman, concept-wise? quote: Originally posted by Obveeus:
True enough, but I doubt you will find any library or video store that puts Mork&Mindy in the sci-fi area.
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| Posts: 14222 | Location: Indiana | Registered: 20 September 2006 | |
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quote: I'm an oldtime SciFi buff, too.
I've certainly had plenty of good cheesy fun watching derivative genre crap, but I'd never describe myself as a 'SciFi Buff'. quote: And I don't know a single person who cares whether it's called SF, SciFi, or Science Fiction.
Well, that's certainly scientific.  quote: People who get hung up on words really need to find other things to do with their time.
You mean like people who copy/paste definitions of slang terms from online dictionaries to prove a word means what they say it does? quote: Like 'trekkers'. It's 'trekkie', ok?
It's both, actually. In my case, neither. I'm just somebody who likes to watch Star Trek. But not Voyager, Enterprise, or that monstrosity Abrams is working on, because that is NOT Star Trek. quote: You're not actually the one making the trek, Kirk is, so trekker is wholly inappropriate. Blech.
It's great you have so much time to think about this stuff. Btw, would you care to hear my theory about how all real Starfleet captains have hard consonants in their names?  quote: Anywho, like I said M&M is a step up for Skiffy so we shouldn't really be criticizing.
I wasn't. Criticizing the SciFi Channel for not confining itself strictly to science fiction is like criticizing you for not confining yourself strictly to the point. quote: PS: As an old-timer, let me ask you: is the High Crusade 'fantasy' or 'science fiction'?
Poul Anderson did like to mix and match, didn't he? He often wrote fantasy, but with a hardheaded science fiction sensibility. quote: I've had the debate several times before and I've never heard a satisfying answer.
Try reading The Merman's Children sometime, if you want to get really confused. |
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quote: Originally posted by pisher: It's great you have so much time to think about this stuff. Btw, would you care to hear my theory about how all real Starfleet captains have hard consonants in their names?
Tempting, but it sounds like an anti-Janeway riff ... quote: Try reading The Merman's Children sometime, if you want to get really confused.
Hmm...looks like it's OOP and neither of my libraries have a copy. I'll keep an eye out for it at the used book stores.
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| Posts: 132 | Location: High Point, NC | Registered: 21 April 2008 | |
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quote: Tempting, but it sounds like an anti-Janeway riff ...
Not primarily, no. She started well, with a nice hard 'K', but then it all just dragged on pointlessly. You see how well this works? No, this is much more an anti-ARCHER riff. A Starfleet captain with only two SOFT consonants to his name? No wonder that show sucked so badly. The actor playing Archer would have made a far superior captain. Pity they couldn't change names. quote: Hmm...looks like it's OOP and neither of my libraries have a copy. I'll keep an eye out for it at the used book stores.
Again, fantasy with a science fiction sensibility. As opposed to Star Wars, which takes the trappings of science fiction, and gives them a fantasy sensibility (and not a very profound one, either--Tolkien would not have been impressed--with Lucas OR Peter Jackson). The late Arthur C. Clarke got around this whole science vs. magic thing very neatly by saying that sufficiently advanced science would appear to be magic. Nice dodge, but it's ultimately much more the way you write it than what you choose to write about. Like for example, Firefly can call itself a science fiction western, but it doesn't remotely understand either genre, and it's basically a turgid comedy-melodrama about characters meant to dramatize its creator's well-known issues with masculinity, feminity, and maturity. Well, it worked on Buffy for a while. Hey, this is getting GEEKY. |
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quote: Originally posted by pisher: quote: Tempting, but it sounds like an anti-Janeway riff ...
Not primarily, no. She started well, with a nice hard 'K', but then it all just dragged on pointlessly. You see how well this works? No, this is much more an anti-ARCHER riff. A Starfleet captain with only two SOFT consonants to his name? No wonder that show sucked so badly. The actor playing Archer would have made a far superior captain. Pity they couldn't change names. quote: Hmm...looks like it's OOP and neither of my libraries have a copy. I'll keep an eye out for it at the used book stores.
Again, fantasy with a science fiction sensibility. As opposed to Star Wars, which takes the trappings of science fiction, and gives them a fantasy sensibility (and not a very profound one, either--Tolkien would not have been impressed--with Lucas OR Peter Jackson). The late Arthur C. Clarke got around this whole science vs. magic thing very neatly by saying that sufficiently advanced science would appear to be magic. Nice dodge, but it's ultimately much more the way you write it than what you choose to write about. Like for example, Firefly can call itself a science fiction western, but it doesn't remotely understand either genre, and it's basically a turgid comedy-melodrama about characters meant to dramatize its creator's well-known issues with masculinity, feminity, and maturity. Well, it worked on Buffy for a while. Hey, this is getting GEEKY.
Getting? At least the last season of Enterprise was worthwhile ... how about we pronounce it ArKer? As for modern cross-genre, I've been reading the Dresden Files books of late. And I keep thinking of them as Sci-Fi (and they're usually shelved as such), but, honestly, they're Fantasy. Is it Fantasy literature if it takes place in the present day? I guess so -- Gaiman's book are present day Fantasy, and so is Magic Street by Card. What's the term they've started using? Speculative Fiction? Ugh.
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| Posts: 132 | Location: High Point, NC | Registered: 21 April 2008 | |
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quote: Getting?
Obviously my geekiness bar is higher than yours. (sniffs haughtily) quote: At least the last season of Enterprise was worthwhile
Maybe in that alternate universe where Sulu is a badass. quote: ... how about we pronounce it ArKer?
That would still be only one hard consonant in a name containing five letters. 20% hard consonant. For a GREAT captain, it has to be FIFTY percent. KirK. PiCarD. These are the kinds of names the Klingons respect. Sisko was a pretty decent captain, but he had a hard consonant in his first name too. And was black, which gives him consonantal credit. You can see I've devoted much time and thought to this.  quote: As for modern cross-genre, I've been reading the Dresden Files books of late. And I keep thinking of them as Sci-Fi (and they're usually shelved as such), but, honestly, they're Fantasy.
Honestly, once you're referring to something as 'SciFi', it doesn't matter what else you call it. quote: Is it Fantasy literature if it takes place in the present day? I guess so -- Gaiman's book are present day Fantasy
Time is irrelevant. It's how you write it. Gaiman couldn't write science fiction if his life depended on it. I'm not sure I think he's such a great fantasist either, but he has his moments. I guess. More of an Alan Moore fan. To mention somebody who understands ALL genres, and is confined by none. quote: and so is Magic Street by Card.
To mention somebody who is a rightwing homophobic hack, and never had an original idea in his life. quote: What's the term they've started using? Speculative Fiction? Ugh.
They were trying to make that one fly before I was born. Don't worry. It never catches on. |
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quote: Originally posted by Blah26:
I don't think the WMC ratings are that bad! It's picked up slightly from last week and has broken into the 2's in the demo! It's certainly performing better than Eli Stone did.
Plus I think WMC can get ratings where ever it is, it's one of very few shows (if any!) that actually hasn't lost any viewers since the writers strike! In fact it's gained some! I'm not giving up hope on this show yet and neither should ABC!!
The show isn't doing badly, just not as well as it could. The post Dancing slot is nice for extra exposer since the network don't seem to want to run scripted programming on Fridays. The show should be renewed (and go back to being an ensemble show rather than an Angie Harman star vehicle show) and return to Fridays with a new lead in. The show hasn't lost viewers since being off the air for so long and moving nights and time slots. Send it back to Fridays and let start pulling winning numbers against the other networks again.  |
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