Everwood should've never been chosen over VM. I believe this only happened because the head of the CW was from UPN. Not that the WB prez like Everwood, either, but renewing VM was a waste. It's almost a guarantee that Everwood (even though it was the oldest skewing show) would've had general viewership much higher than VM
According to Stephen Collins, the choice was Everwood or One Tree Hill, and CW obviously chose OTH.
Gee, you misunderstood me. I didn't think it would impact American Idol's ratings. I meant so that the fans would get hooked in the spring, so they would continue to watch or DVR the show in the winter.
I think it is hard for the mid-season shows just premiering now on Tuesdays or Wednesdays to get any sort of footing with American Idol. If a show wants to stay on Tuesday or Wednesday nights for the whole season, they need to get the fans interested in the fall. I just don't think a new show can premiere against American Idol any more.
GG may be down, but most of the shows that returned are down(give or take 1 or 2). The fact that GG was slaughtered upon it's first airing opposite AI, then jumped back into the 4 millions, is commendable. It's first airing opposite AI had 3.72 million. Last week it had 4.27 million, and now it had hit 4.6 million. If you ask me, that's pretty good. No other show on the CW going up against CW can lay such claims. They get slaughtered and they stay that way. The fact that GG has gone back up to having numbers it did before AI premiered shows the core fans are returning and staying.
Posts: 87 | Location: Spokane, WA | Registered: 15 January 2007
Originally posted by Lost Hero: Over 50% retention is better than under 50%.
Oh... who am I kidding? That's just bad. Even worse than normal.
I'm quoting this for posterity, seeing as it might very well be the only sensible post Lost Hero will ever make on the subject. Posts like this that come from fanboys are liable to disappear at a moment's notice (such as the instant the next online petition pops up...)
What exactly is your problem with me? That I pointed out how clever "Moronica" is? I'm not defending ratings, especially as bad as last night's, but I'm not going to stop defending the show itself. You forget, I'm the sensible fan of VM. The one that likes the show, but knows the ratings are awful, and that it shouldn't be chosen for fall 2007.
The only thing that will help it is to rebuild from scratch.
ONLY ANTM, Smackdown and Smallville are worthy of anything next season. EHC has been given a comitment, so that can't be changed. Everything is out performed by most Univision programs and some Telemundo programs.
Its not a matter of liking or not liking a show, but how to draw viewers to your network.
Start fresh. New ideas and programs. Then, perhaps, more Americans will sample the network and start watching the programs.
Hi. This is my first post, but I've been reading for a while. Just out of curiosity, where are all these posts from people claiming to think Veronica Mars has good ratings? I've never seen anyone say anything like that. The most I've ever seen is good for Veronica Mars. That obviously does not equal good in general. So why is everyone claiming that the fans are idiots who know nothing about ratings?
Rounding off the 9 p.m. hour was the CW’s Veronica Mars at a depressed 2.47 million viewers and a 1.1/ 3 among adults 18-49 (with retention out of Gilmore Girls of just 53 percent in viewers and 55 percent in the demo).
Perhaps for Moronica's final mystery, she can solve The Case of Why Her Terrible Show Is Still on the Air.
Well that was quite stupid. Moronica?. Sorry. "How terrible her show is". What a laugh. The mystery she should be solving is why people are not intelligent enough to watch or get the show and what happened to people's taste. There's the real mystery.
Posts: 87 | Location: Spokane, WA | Registered: 15 January 2007
Originally posted by Jayhawk: am i the only one annoyed that marc keeps putting underrated for NCIS. WE ALL KNOW IT GETS GREAT RATINGS. It isn't a secret at all. There is no need to put underrated anymore
Originally posted by pisher: When your established shows are doing this poorly, there's no reason NOT to gamble on new ones. They might not do any better, but they sure as hell won't do any worse.
You don't think another new show could possibly turn out to be a 'Runaway' hit?
CW has some big problems. They never have had a program to fill the last hour on Sunday primetime (1 hour short for next year). They got rid of Reba already (twice a night airing so that leaves them another hour short for next year). Both Veronica Mars and One Tree Hill are performing so poorly that it would be almost impossible to keep them on the air another year (hour 3 and 4 that they would be short for next year). 7th Heaven, Smallsville, and Gilmore Girls may not get renewed for other contractual reasons (hour 5, 6, and 7 that they would be short for next year). Sum it all up and the CW has WAY TOO MANY holes in its schedule.
No matter how much you want to believe that new shows couldn't do worse, that isn't the reality of the situation. New shows CAn do worse, as 'Runaway' proved. Worse yet, even if CW puts everything they have in development onto the air, could they fill 7 hours of new programming? Probably not. So, some of this stuff will have to come back next year. Start with Smallsvile and Gilmore Girls as most likely to return if the network can do anything to get the casts back. Even 7th Heaven is likely to continue on if the cast/cost will let it. Then, what remains is a need to fill 4 hours of programming. Those 4 hours may be all new or they may bring back some shows that are clear failures like 'One Tree Hill' and 'Veronica mars'. At the very least, expect one or both of those shows to be considered for mid season replacement status in case the new shows turn out to be 'Runaway' style hits.
Veronica Mars should be cancelled on the basis of these poor Ratings. I can understand keeping GG for 1 more year but VM definetly has to go. Even the CW's monday comedies do better then this and just go and look at their numbers. If VM is too be renewed I loose all faith in the CW.
Posts: 1543 | Location: NY | Registered: 17 November 2006
I like VM, and am disappointed in the current ratings, and don't think they warrant renewal either...and I think the CW's actions (a 20 show order, the upcoming preemption for a reality show) show that they don't think so either.
In fact, if the ratings are this bad now, what do you think are going to happen to them after an 8 week hiatus?
I'm predicting new episodes under 2 million, and under 1 in the demo.
quote: Originally posted by strumpeace: Nice shout out to Boston Legal, Marc, BUT...
Since it gained 30 percent over its lead-in, shouldn't it be listed among last night's winners?
That's true. I'm a BL fan (about 60% of the time -- sometimes it gets too carried away with itself). However, I do have a question about BL in comparison with VM.
If BL draws twice the audience of VM, but costs three times as much to produce, which is more worthy of staying on the air? I understand viewership is important to advertisers, but I would think production costs are important to networks.
(By the way, my production cost guesses are just that -- guesses. I'm just musing over this whole VM debate.)
