Originally posted by Zitrone: How low must FOX programs go to be labeled "Losers"?
I am not sure if a FOX show has been labeled a loser the entire season. I guess Marc has much lower standards for FOX even though they are the #1 network...
Not much has been loser-worthy. May not be winner-worthy either. A lot of their programs are nice, middle of the road level ratings. Not bad, but not great either.
I agree that not much has been loser-worthy, but the Monday shows have performed at levels similar to shows on other networks that get loser status.
FOX in First, ABC in Second After 26 Days of the 2008 February Sweep:
After 26 days of the February Sweep, FOX continued its vice-grip on first place as it moves towards a record-breaking first place across all key measures in the February Sweep.
The mammoth FOX lead over its rivals has been fueled by the enormous, record-breaking Super Bowl numbers, the powerhouse American Idol numbers, and reliable ratings strength on every other night (FOX has won every single Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday of the Sweep in the A18-49 demo).
In the young audience A18-49 demo that advertisers crave for ad placement, FOX has the most nightly wins, having beaten the other networks on 16 out of 25 nights so far (one tie), followed by ABC and NBC both with five nightly wins (one NBC win was a tie with FOX).
After 26 days, ABC has a lock on second place in the A18-49 demo with a .26 advantage over third place NBC that should be enough to hold through the remaining two nights. ABC also moved into second place in viewership ahead of CBS by virtue of the strong ratings performance from its made-for-television event "A Raisin in the Sun" last night. In the households measure, CBS clings to a very narrow hold on second place (ahead of ABC by a mere 0.1HH).
After 26 days, the two News Corporation networks FOX and MyNetworkTV are both showing solid double-digit improvement over their numbers from last year. All the remaining networks are showing significant double-digit year-over-year declines, with NBC showing the least year-over-year slippage (-13% in demo, -12% in households, and -10% in viewers) while CBS, who were last year's Super Bowl broadcaster, is faring worst (-55% in demo, -43% in households, -48% in viewers) due to its large proportion of encore programming as a result of the writers strike.
After 26 days, the six networks are showing smaller-than-expected (given the combined effect of the writers strike and increased use of DVR's) year-over-year erosion: the young adult demo down by -13%, households are down by -12% on a year-over-year basis, while viewership is down by -10% year-over-year.
nights nights
demo web demo demo % won won
Rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 FOX 6.69 4.69 43% 16 12
2 ABC 2.73 3.82 -29% 5 6
3 NBC 2.47 2.84 -13% 5
4 CBS 2.24 4.99 -55% 1 8
5 CW 0.88 1.28 -31%
6 MNT* 0.47 0.27 76%
total 15.48 17.88 -13% 27 26
nights nights
HH web HH HH HH won won
rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 FOX 9.3 6.8 38% 13 7
2 CBS 5.3 9.3 -43% 6 14
3 ABC 5.2 6.5 -20% 5 4
4 NBC 4.8 5.4 -12% 5 2
5 CW 1.5 2.1 -27%
6 MNT* 0.8 0.5 54%
total 27.0 30.7 -12% 29 27
nights nights
viewers web viewers viewers viewers won won
rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 FOX 17.375 11.529 51% 13 7
2 ABC 8.259 10.256 -19% 5 4
3 CBS 8.142 15.665 -48% 4 14
4 NBC 7.554 8.388 -10% 4 1
5 CW 2.314 3.235 -28%
6 MNT* 1.221 0.777 57%
total 44.86 49.85 -10% 26 26
* MyNetworkTV for the first 23 nights only.
This years and last years numbers are based upon final Nielsen numbers except for this years most recent Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday numbers which are based upon FAST National data.
Originally posted by Bruce: FOX - I felt thoughts that this net was getting some schedule depth were premature all along.
Even if SCC does not return, Fox is still in better shape than any other net next fall. I could easily see them perhaps pairing Bones and Prison Break on Mondays with just one drama next fall. Reality fillers Trading Spouses and Nanny 911 could return on Fridays.
But now you know why I was insisting that the BONES-to-friday was jumping the gun a bit.
I am a believer now that BONES should STAY on Fridays.
Look at the ratings its been getting there with just repeats. FOX could WIN Fridays nights with a combination of BONES and another similar show.
BONES will get lost fighting for a piece of the pie on Monday Nights.
With Wednedays, in the fall, the bigger questionmark, Place the Animation block there as alternative programming.
I was referring to talk of its placement on friday for next fall.
I don't like it on Monday much either. Still not persuaded it shouldn't remain at tues 8pm in the fall.
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Originally posted by robert: I actually don't care if SCC gets canceld or not. But knowing FOX i'll be shocked to see SSC returning next season. After all is probably the second biggest bomb of the season(if not the first).
When you get that promotion during the second most watched show of the history, when you get a 40 million lead-in for the premiere, when you have advirtsing all over the media and after 6 episode you draw 7 million viewers that spells disaster
Actually I think what is spells is with a few rare exceptions like X-FILES...you cannot get SCI FI to fly on the mainstream broadcast networks. Hell even X-FILES was low rated when it first came on but some how it "popped" and shot up in huge popularity. If FOX has bailed on that show it would have lost one of its major hits.
I don't agree. X-FILES started without all the hype and promotion that SCC had. And X-FILES started with low ratings. SCC started with big ratings. If the people would've liked the show they wouldn't have run away from it. They're not coming back
I think you might be MIS-remembering. It was THE ADVERNTURES OF BRISCOE COUNTY JR. that got the hype when both premiered that season but BRISCIE wound up getting canceled and X-FILES lived. Same thing happened with CSI and THE FUGITIVE over on CBS.
Exactly, i think you didn't pay attention to what i said.
Yeah, you're right Robert. Sorry about that. Still would like to see the show picked up.
Originally posted by Bruce: FOX - I felt thoughts that this net was getting some schedule depth were premature all along.
Even if SCC does not return, Fox is still in better shape than any other net next fall. I could easily see them perhaps pairing Bones and Prison Break on Mondays with just one drama next fall. Reality fillers Trading Spouses and Nanny 911 could return on Fridays.
But now you know why I was insisting that the BONES-to-friday was jumping the gun a bit.
I am a believer now that BONES should STAY on Fridays.
Look at the ratings its been getting there with just repeats. FOX could WIN Fridays nights with a combination of BONES and another similar show.
BONES will get lost fighting for a piece of the pie on Monday Nights.
With Wednedays, in the fall, the bigger questionmark, Place the Animation block there as alternative programming.
I agree that BONES has done incredibly well with repeats on Fridays and could dominate the night with new episodes. I also agree that it'd have a much tougher time on Monday nights opposite DWTS and DOND.
Here are three scenarios for next fall:
Likely do very well on friday but still need a good lead out to make the move worth it
Compete in a tough hour on Monday
Or probably continue to grow on Tuesday at 8pm.
Posts: 2852 | Location: Western Pennsylvania | Registered: 13 December 2006
DOND is getting another gimmick. Now I know it isn't like the 13 million dollar cases, but it might work. I can see it now, 12-15 million, and most people on here complaining how a show like this is still on getting good numbers.
Weird isn't it? Then again I'm still wondering how 3 exact shows (CSI's) can still be on the air when they change only the city and casts. Just a mystery I guess
Fox is not gonna move The Simpsons for PR or SCC. That would be foolish.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
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Originally posted by Bruce: FOX - I felt thoughts that this net was getting some schedule depth were premature all along.
Even if SCC does not return, Fox is still in better shape than any other net next fall. I could easily see them perhaps pairing Bones and Prison Break on Mondays with just one drama next fall. Reality fillers Trading Spouses and Nanny 911 could return on Fridays.
I think they are going to bring back SCC. I still say they should put it on Sunday nights at 8 for a fall run, followed by Prison Break at 9. I believe the animated comedies ratings have fallen this year. And SCC would have a NFL powered lead in half the time in the fall. Sunday nights have such female oriented programs (except for Sunday night football) now, so this would be a very nice change.
pisherafferty-free since 2008
Posts: 416 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: 01 December 2006
DonD can't give a million away even with the improved odds- and The Price is Right beat them to it last week!
At least they're not doing the MDM for May sweeps- they're going on a road trip-taping episodes from the Philippine, Estonian, and South African DoND sets (with US players, but the models will be from their version)...
Originally posted by Drew: Then again I'm still wondering how 3 exact shows (CSI's) can still be on the air when they change only the city and casts. Just a mystery I guess
I wouldn't say the 3 CSIs are the "Same Show/Different Cities.'
CSI: MIami is nothing like CSI, other than it deals with Crime Lab Personell. the styles are completely different and the story telling is not nearly the same.
CSI: NY took a while to find itself and is more like the original CSI, but it has its own flavor that does make itself unique.
They are different like coca-cola and coca-cola with lime are different.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
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Originally posted by Drew: Then again I'm still wondering how 3 exact shows (CSI's) can still be on the air when they change only the city and casts. Just a mystery I guess
I wouldn't say the 3 CSIs are the "Same Show/Different Cities.'
CSI: MIami is nothing like CSI, other than it deals with Crime Lab Personell. the styles are completely different and the story telling is not nearly the same.
CSI: NY took a while to find itself and is more like the original CSI, but it has its own flavor that does make itself unique.
pisherafferty-free since 2008
Posts: 416 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: 01 December 2006
Unlike regarding Jon Stewart yesterday I completely agree with you on this
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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
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Fox opened the evening with a Monday edition of The Moment of Truth (Viewers: #3, 8.59 million; A18-49: #2, 3.6/10), which lost steam minus its recent American Idol lead-in (but was a stronger option than recent occupant Prison Break),
Did anyone really expect it to hold on to its recent 14 Million + viewers, while behind Idol?
When 5th Grader finally was on its own, last year, it lost about 8 million viewers from one episode to the next. It did have a slow bleed of viewers after that. But look at it now. it is a solid (Not Hit) show for FOX on a tough night.
MoT could do the same for FOX on another troubled slot. Doesn't have to be a DOND size hit, but just be solid and competitive in a traditionally week slot.
8.5 million viewers, against DOND and an ABC Movie is not that bad. Espcially since DOND is still playing with the Gimmick rules.
