Originally posted by scottm: I think fringe is different proposition to dollhouse- and Fringe jumped 29% this week too. If it was at 2.5 in the demo i think Fox may be satisfied with that.Its facing very heavy competition too.
I don't think FOX would be satisfied with 2.5, but I also think they'd accept less--in the short-term. In this timeslot. But they can't accept this long-term.
Yeah, it’s not the ratings power house it once was but after 19 seasons and almost 10 years it can still DELIVER a completely satisfying episode such as last night where the show’s VILLAIN triumphs over a pack of smug would be Pagongers.
Well Played Russell…well played.
Speaking of SURVIVOR-this weeks PEOPLE came into our office today. Season 3 winner Ethan Zohn’s tough battle with cancer doesn’t look encouraging. Life can be so unfair-here we have a million dollar winner dating a beautiful million dollar winner from the SAME show (Jenna Morasco) and still he gets cancer. Best wishes to Ethan and all of us should…count our own blessings.
The Mentalist just doesn't deserve the post-Super Bowl spot. It really has just done okay on Thursday, and nothing great. It did much better after NCIS.
Then stop assuming it will get the post superbowl slot, Twins. I just read a post of your's in last nite's thread that said something to the effect that anybody who doesn't think TM will get the spot doesn't follow CBS carefully, as you pointed to the promotion TM gets. I see that. But I also see these fairly flat ratings it gets, well below expectation.
But another show that appears to get substantial promotion is NCIS. Now, there is no way NCIS is going to get the spot. And there is mixed proof that a SB slot can build a show. But NCIS, amazingly, is fairly hot right now, gaining alot of recognition is has never gotten. NCIS:LA is still in the original's shadow. CBS would probably like to give it more of its own identity, maybe move it out to another nite, even if a long term ratings bump doesn't occur. It stars a couple of fairly young men.
What is hotter right now? NCIS, broadly defined to include the spinoff, or TM?
I don't have a dog in the hunt, and perhaps you don't either. I don't watch any of the shows in question. But NCIS:LA is my bet.
Okay, okay. As you can see, I just back tracked off The Mentalist, as you can see. I am starting to think Survivor.
And for the record you are totally wrong on NCIS vs. The Mentalist. The Mentalist gets far more promotion than NCIS. There is no CBS show that gets as much as The Mentalist. CBS went as far as to take out full page ads in the New York newspapers prior to The Mentalist season premiere. It was the only CBS show to get that type of promotion. As huge a hit as NCIS has become CBS still promotes TM more. I think they see TM more as the future than NCIS.
I'll use this to make some comments about the CSI ep I watched last nite. Yes, the event, while far from spectacular, built ratings for the three shows.
CSI last nite - I hadn't watched since last spring. I have largely lost interest in these Bruckheimer procedurals. But I will say CSI remains easily the best of the 3 CSI's, not even close, and is still in my view the best crime procedural CBS has.
The production style remains excellent and last nite projected a dangerous mood the show has been good at projecting in the past. The cast is weakened, and while this event undoubtedly raised Fishburne's profile, at moments he appeared to be just another CSI out there investigating crimes. But it can maintain decent ratings without him doing much more on the writing and production alone. It's time to move beyond discussing him, in my view. He is what he is, which is not alot in the setting, and revival of the show to elite ratings would have to encompass a very creative idea, something (just an example) like having the team or part of it go private, almost make it a new type of series. Just an example.
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Originally posted by WlcmZapataTexas: The CSI crossover was a success. I'd imagine that CBS is brainstorming more crossovers with different shows to try to repeat the success of the CSI crossover.
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Originally posted by Marc Berman:
At 9 p.m., the conclusion of the three-part CSI franchise crossover with Lawrence Fishburne lifted CBS mainstay CSI to an above-average 16.89 million viewers (#1) and a 4.0/10 among adults 18-49 (#2) at 9 p.m. That was the most-watched show of the evening.
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Yesterday I wrote that I bet on The Mentalist and I still think that's the likely candidate. But your mention of NCIS: LA brought up an interesting point. Both NCIS: LA and The Mentalist are sold into syndication. Since I doubt they will be able to renegotiate those terms, how much would The Superbowl help either show? It could bring a few extra viewers for the short term but their futures are secure and their future profit for syndication defined. Is there really a long term benefit? Big Bang Theory is already a hit and I don't see it benefitting much either. How much can it realistically grow after one airing?
What could be interesting is if CBS wanted to go for a risk and try the Criminal Minds spinoff. Criminal Minds didn't do well after The Superbowl compared to other shows, but the fact that it is a brand new concept might draw a lot of attention to it. Survivor was suggested and it's an interesting pick also.
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Originally posted by Bruce:
I don't have a dog in the hunt, and perhaps you don't either. I don't watch any of the shows in question. But NCIS:LA is my bet.
yep- they would definitely want a 3 eventually but will hopefully be satisfies with a 2.5 in the meantime which i think it can hit.Probably a bit biased as am a fan
Fringe recovered some but its ratings are still pretty down. It sounds like FOX is supportive of it though. I remember seeing a lot of talk about how Heroes lost the most amount of viewers in the shortest time. However, it seems Fringe has fallen even quicker. I don't think anyone expected Fringe to keep the same ratings, but after following the highest rated show for a year, you would think Fringe would be doing better than this with the move. Like I said last week, when The O.C. moved to Thursdays it at least still averaged 7 millions in the viewers and a 3.1 in the demo over the course of a season the first season it moved after being after Idol its first season.
TV doesn't seem as appealing on Thursdays right now. It's Always Sunny is nice but I am waiting for the return of Burn Notice.
What is this, the sixth straight week that Vampire Diaries is about to pass the NBC comedies?
Just kidding, but as long as NBC remains incapable of greenlighting a drama that can even get a 2 in the demo, I don't think those shows are in as much danger as many would like to believe.
Back in the day networks always used the Super Bowl to launch a brand new show but after some bombs that pretty much ended. It would have been great to launch a show like V or flash forward after the super bowl
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Originally posted by WlcmZapataTexas: Yesterday I wrote that I bet on The Mentalist and I still think that's the likely candidate. But your mention of NCIS: LA brought up an interesting point. Both NCIS: LA and The Mentalist are sold into syndication. Since I doubt they will be able to renegotiate those terms, how much would The Superbowl help either show? It could bring a few extra viewers for the short term but their futures are secure and their future profit for syndication defined. Is there really a long term benefit? Big Bang Theory is already a hit and I don't see it benefitting much either. How much can it realistically grow after one airing?
What could be interesting is if CBS wanted to go for a risk and try the Criminal Minds spinoff. Criminal Minds didn't do well after The Superbowl compared to other shows, but the fact that it is a brand new concept might draw a lot of attention to it. Survivor was suggested and it's an interesting pick also.
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Originally posted by Bruce:
I don't have a dog in the hunt, and perhaps you don't either. I don't watch any of the shows in question. But NCIS:LA is my bet.
The Mentalist just doesn't deserve the post-Super Bowl spot. It really has just done okay on Thursday, and nothing great. It did much better after NCIS.
Then stop assuming it will get the post superbowl slot, Twins. I just read a post of your's in last nite's thread that said something to the effect that anybody who doesn't think TM will get the spot doesn't follow CBS carefully, as you pointed to the promotion TM gets. I see that. But I also see these fairly flat ratings it gets, well below expectation.
But another show that appears to get substantial promotion is NCIS. Now, there is no way NCIS is going to get the spot. And there is mixed proof that a SB slot can build a show. But NCIS, amazingly, is fairly hot right now, gaining alot of recognition is has never gotten. NCIS:LA is still in the original's shadow. CBS would probably like to give it more of its own identity, maybe move it out to another nite, even if a long term ratings bump doesn't occur. It stars a couple of fairly young men.
What is hotter right now? NCIS, broadly defined to include the spinoff, or TM?
I don't have a dog in the hunt, and perhaps you don't either. I don't watch any of the shows in question. But NCIS:LA is my bet.
Okay, okay. As you can see, I just back tracked off The Mentalist, as you can see. I am starting to think Survivor.
And for the record you are totally wrong on NCIS vs. The Mentalist. The Mentalist gets far more promotion than NCIS. There is no CBS show that gets as much as The Mentalist. CBS went as far as to take out full page ads in the New York newspapers prior to The Mentalist season premiere. It was the only CBS show to get that type of promotion. As huge a hit as NCIS has become CBS still promotes TM more. I think they see TM more as the future than NCIS.
I didn't say NCIS got as much promotion as TM, but that it got "substantial promotion."
They may want TM to be its future, and it is their choice and what they think is all that matters, but there may a disconnect between what they want to be their future and what their viewers see as their future. I see TM as having at best modest buzz, almost like the show has played a good bit of itself out already, whereas, again to my surprise, the NCIS franchise gets talked about and still seems to be on the rise.
btw, sorry I cut out your comments on Survivor, that was an inadvertant, I was more reacting to the strong statement in the other nite's thread I read just moments before I read this nite's thread.
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Originally posted by robert: 30 Rock has really slipped this season. And you know what that means? More Emmys baby
Fringe surely won't see a third season. FOX must've learned something from Dollhouse's debacle
30 Rock will win more emmys, no doubt. But I think Modern Family may actually get the win for best comedy. ABC hasn't won best comedy in years, so they may put a lot of promotion behind the Emmy campaign. That is if the Emmys don't reward the Big Bang Theory a season too late.
And don't count out Fringe just yet. Fox in the Fall pre-Idol is different than Fox in the Spring with it.
If The Mentalist and NCIS: LA are already in syndication then wouldn't The Big Bang Theory be the next logical choice? If it's ratings grow even larger wouldn't that be even more incentive to place it after the SB? It could strengthen CBS' hand in getting more $ for syndication wouldn't it?
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Originally posted by WlcmZapataTexas: Yesterday I wrote that I bet on The Mentalist and I still think that's the likely candidate. But your mention of NCIS: LA brought up an interesting point. Both NCIS: LA and The Mentalist are sold into syndication. Since I doubt they will be able to renegotiate those terms, how much would The Superbowl help either show? It could bring a few extra viewers for the short term but their futures are secure and their future profit for syndication defined. Is there really a long term benefit? Big Bang Theory is already a hit and I don't see it benefitting much either. How much can it realistically grow after one airing?
What could be interesting is if CBS wanted to go for a risk and try the Criminal Minds spinoff. Criminal Minds didn't do well after The Superbowl compared to other shows, but the fact that it is a brand new concept might draw a lot of attention to it. Survivor was suggested and it's an interesting pick also.
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Originally posted by Bruce:
I don't have a dog in the hunt, and perhaps you don't either. I don't watch any of the shows in question. But NCIS:LA is my bet.
Originally posted by scottm: yep- they would definitely want a 3 eventually but will hopefully be satisfies with a 2.5 in the meantime which i think it can hit.Probably a bit biased as am a fan
