Originally posted by metal: And hey, what is the show that is on the air right now? I certainly don't see Reaper in the schedule. When it returns it'll be lucky if it does over 2 million.
Ah, the irony. A Smallville 'fan' takes digs at Supernatural, so you respond by bashing Reaper. Why are the Supernatural fans so obsessed with bashing Reaper?
Oh now the problem is the SPN fans? Like it wan't the "saint" Reaper fan who started it by calling SPN crap without any reason? Twice? Typicall. I feel sorry for you Reaper fans. You just probably haven't seen better.
Originally posted by metal: Erik Kripke has said more than once (includng at Comic Con) that he has a set 5 season plan. His contract and the contracts of the actors and everybody involved expire next season, so yeah, I hope it ends next season so we fans have a good run. More than 5 would be stretching it.
I'm impressed that you actually know who created "Supernatural" -- which is more than I can say for those idiots over at Sitcoms Online -- but you still fail at life for suggesting that the show is anything more than the usual CW tripe with a bunch of pretty faces and "hip" teenybopper dialogue. It isn't, it's not, it ain't never gonna be.
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The CW is so fu'kd up that they have fans of their male skewing shows fighting against each other over which show is better. A good network would fight another network on their shows. Like Lost fans fighting Heroes fans.
Marc, do you have numbers for MyNetworkTV Line-up last night?
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The NFL does have a huge affect on male skewing shows on Monday nights
Oh, I believe the NFL has an impact...I've seen Monday Night Football win the night among key adult demos. Football is the most-watched sport in America -- and is only on for 16 weeks, so every. game. counts. But this is the Division Series. Even looking at the Division Series when it was on Fox...it never made that much of a ratings impact -- despite the teams. I don't doubt that it performed very well in Philly or L.A. or Chicago or Milwaukee or Boston...but the Nielsen national sample is made up of thousands of viewers. I think you got the hardcore baseball fans, but that's...what? A handful of viewers in larger markets. The casual viewers generally don't tune in until the LCS or World Series (that's when you started to see Fox dominating ratings, anyway).
And TBS is still a cable network. It's not available to all TV HHs. If Fox couldn't make an impact (available in 98%+ of TV HHs), TBS certainly won't.
I think you are underestimating the baseball effect. Normatlly, TBS probably has maybe a few hundred thousand people watching the channel during prime time. With Baseball I am sure they have at 5-6 million. Those viewers have to come from somewhere.
And I think you're overestimating it. Even if TBS is getting 5-6 million viewers nationally, divide that by 6 networks, and you get maybe a million fewer viewers per net. Divide that by 3-5 shows per night, and it's even less. There are too many other factors for low ratings: long layoffs for sophomore series, poorly-reviewed freshman series, normal premiere drops, debates in place of regular programming. Baseball is simply a drop in the bucket.
Originally posted by Josh_Kane: Marc, do you have numbers for MyNetworkTV Line-up last night?
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Originally posted by metal: Erik Kripke has said more than once (includng at Comic Con) that he has a set 5 season plan. His contract and the contracts of the actors and everybody involved expire next season, so yeah, I hope it ends next season so we fans have a good run. More than 5 would be stretching it.
I'm impressed that you actually know who created "Supernatural" -- which is more than I can say for those idiots over at Sitcoms Online -- but you still fail at life for suggesting that the show is anything more than the usual CW tripe with a bunch of pretty faces and "hip" teenybopper dialogue. It isn't, it's not, it ain't never gonna be.
Well you do realize that almost all of television is cast with preety faces. That isn't something that is exclusive to the CW netlet.
And yeah, it is entirely formed with "hip" language and teenybopper dialogue. Because frankly that isn't the case. And if it was wouldn't you assume it would attrat an audience that was more teenybooper. Becuase that certainly isn't the case. Its audience leans more to the 25-54 crowd then the 18-34 (at least for the last two years).
Originally posted by Julie: ABC needs to do something about Ugly Betty. Maybe move it to a different timeslot or something. It's getting killed at 8pm, when there's very little competition. ABC should swap Pushing Daisies and Ugly Betty's slots.
Why? Because of one week. This was not a typical Thursday you know. Out west Ugly Betty was affected by the debate and aired at 9pm instead of its normal 7pm time in Mountain Time. You can say you lost 1 million there, so it is really even from the premiere. Betty can beat Earl otherwise and a solid second place
Marc, just wondering...why do you say that Smallville and Supernatural are unbeliveably compatible and then go on to suggest that the CW pair Smallville with a new show(Grayson)?
Why fix something that you know is gonna get a certain result. Not like they can really expect a new drama to even come close to Supernatural. They blow every load they have pushing 90210 and Gossip Girl to be just that and even those have trouble with getting more eyes than the Winchester boys.
wk 1 Supernatural - 3.995 million viewers Gossip Girl - 3.732 million viewers 90210 - 3.288 million
wk 2 Gossip Girl - 3.331 million viewers Supernatural - 3.177 million viewers 90210 - 2.940 million viewers
Then again the CW isn't really concerned with the total amount of viewers so much as it is the demos those shows target.
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Comparably this was good for both 5th place networks especially MyTV. For them to average 2 million viewers between the two shows and even get an increase for Magic that's going to bode well for them next week.
Wrestlemania did better than I expected (1.3 million viewers) to get closer to 2 million viewers. I watched Magic and it was such a cool show that I would like to watch regularly, but that's impossible on Mondays @ 9pm.
Smackdown should open up huge, somewhere between 3-5 million viewers.
Pixley, you're right. I had a chance to think about it and baseball on TBS probably only had a 5-10% effect on these shows.
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Originally posted by Gleebo: Marc, just wondering...why do you say that Smallville and Supernatural are unbeliveably compatible and then go on to suggest that the CW pair Smallville with a new show(Grayson)?
Why fix something that you know is gonna get a certain result. Not like they can really expect a new drama to even come close to Supernatural. They blow every load they have pushing 90210 and Gossip Girl to be just that and even those have trouble with getting more eyes than the Winchester boys.
wk 1 Supernatural - 3.995 million viewers Gossip Girl - 3.732 million viewers 90210 - 3.288 million
wk 2 Gossip Girl - 3.331 million viewers Supernatural - 3.177 million viewers 90210 - 2.940 million viewers
Then again the CW isn't really concerned with the total amount of viewers so much as it is the demos those shows target.
Yes the demo's are the big factor. While SN delivers a certain level of viewership that is often on the higher end for the scripted shows on the cw, its 18-34 performance is typically the poorest.
SN average audience is the oldest currently on the CW and as such they might wish to put a show that they believe will hit the younger demo better.
Just as a combination of Reaper & Supernatural demo wise would work in my book, due to it be the 2nd oldest audience.
But this is the Division Series. Even looking at the Division Series when it was on Fox...it never made that much of a ratings impact -- despite the teams. I don't doubt that it performed very well in Philly or L.A. or Chicago or Milwaukee or Boston...but the Nielsen national sample is made up of thousands of viewers. I think you got the hardcore baseball fans, but that's...what? A handful of viewers in larger markets. The casual viewers generally don't tune in until the LCS or World Series (that's when you started to see Fox dominating ratings, anyway).
