It ran 2 years, but it ran for almost 200 episodes. And it was much better than UB. Not the number of episodes is the problem. Besides the ABC show has almost nothing in common with the original telenovela. It wasn't glamourous enough for US television i suppose
I know telenovelas run for hours a week, but no matter how many hours people watched, they still only had to follow the story and its characters for two years or so. It's very different here.
I haven't seen Betty La Fea, but I have no doubt it's a far more interesting show--as I'm sure you realize, the American version is really much more influenced by The Devil Wears Prada and works of that ilk.
I liked it at first, but it got old very quickly--Betty doesn't learn, doesn't change, doesn't get her damn braces taken off already. She's stuck in a loop--because unlike a telenovela, a primetime network drama has no set time limit, and the writers have no idea how long the story will go--so the characters get stuck in a holding pattern.
It's an unperfectable form--and I think we really ought to consider taking a few pages out of the telenovela book. Just because you found a good idea, don't work it to death. Let it grow, mature, and pass on. There'll be another one.
But most of all, they could sign SPN sooner because the negotations are easier--everybody doing it wants desperately to keep on doing it, so they'll sign anything CW puts in front of them.
Don't you just think you know it all.
That isn't true. Erick Kripe and both main actors have said that the show will end after season 5 because EK will wrap things up and they won't sign new contracts. I hope they don't change their minds because five seasons seems ideal for me for this show. I don't think the CW wants to keep the show much longer so i'm not worried.
Originally posted by AJ: Can you please explain to me why you keep hating on Supernatural?
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Could you please explain to me why Supernatural would be renewed before Smallville.
Have they finally made Smallville available on itunes? It wasn't available last time I checked about a week and a half ago. Supernatural's itune sales are extremely strong. Why would it be renewed? Warner owns half of the CW. Warner makes money every time Supernatural is sold to a foreign market. Supernatual is sold to a WHOLE LOT of foreign markets. It's big in Brazil, Japan, Malaysia, Russia, and Israel; it performs pretty well in UK and Australia and Canada, it's starting to get sold in Europe, and the troops love it. That's all money in the bank for Warner. A lot of money that'll continue to deliver. They aren't going to let it die before it gets its five seasons. Dawn Ostroff wanted to cancel it after season two. The Warner suits stepped in and said, "No, you won't."
Money talks. Plus, as xwiseguyx said, its costs are lower. The cast is much smaller. It all adds up.
Everything you said concerning Supernatural can be said of Smallville, besides the lower production costs, but Smallville makes more money then Supernatural.
Hopefully when the Batman's Robin show debuts next year it will be on The WB not The CW and replace Smallville and have Supernatural and Reaper alternate through the year or have rising MyTV pick up Reaper.
Pushing Daises should just be canceled and move Ugly Betty to either Wednesday or Friday @ 8pm. Move Private Practice to Thursdays @ 8pm.
Another thing they could do is if Life on Mars performs solid ratings, move Life on Mars to Wednesdays @ 9pm and move Private Practice to Thursdays @ 10pm to solve that Grey's death slot and have something new on @ 8pm.
[/QUOTE] Because he's a fan of Reaper. Isn't that obvious? [/QUOTE]
I am a Smallville fan that just happens to want a decent show to follow it. Let me tell you, Supernatural is not that show. I enjoy Reaper considerably more then Crappynatural.
Timeslot changes are usually warranted when a network thinks people need to find a show or if a show is strong enough to have the confidence the audience will stick with it and rejuvenate another night. UB doesn't fall into either of those scenarios as it already been found and people don't seem to be responding to it any more. A timeslot change will probably only do more harm at this point.
The solution would have to lie in figuring a way to get the people who have tired of the show to come back to it. That would entail a change in direction that would excite potential viewers to try the show again. Kudos to the folks at UB for attempting this with its onsite filming in NY, but so far, no one cares and unless the stories start to generate some positive buzz that'll result in viewers checking it out again, the ratings are not going to turn around.
Moving the show to Wed or any other timeslot is not going to achieve anything more than what they are getting now.
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Originally posted by Julie: ABC needs to do something about Ugly Betty. Maybe move it to a different timeslot or something. It's getting killed at 8pm, when there's very little competition. ABC should swap Pushing Daisies and Ugly Betty's slots.
If you notice the past couple of days shows are starting take a little dip. I think it is the effect of the baseball playoffs that are being shown on TBS. I think people are starting to watch the playoffs especially when the Cubs or Red Sox play. The shows should rise back up when baseball is over in a couple of weeks.
I am a Smallville fan that just happens to want a decent show to follow it. Let me tell you, Supernatural is not that show. I enjoy Reaper considerably more then Crappynatural.
You're seriously delusional if you think Reaper is better than SPN. But hey I don't care. You talk about SV making more money than SPN? Maybe. It does much worse than SPN over seas though and everybody wants it to end. But one thing is clear, SPN makes more money than Reaper can dream attempting to, poor thing.
And hey, what is the show that is on the air right now? I certainly don't see Reaper in the schedule. When it returns it'll be lucky if it does over 2 million.
Originally posted by Twins12: If you notice the past couple of days shows are starting take a little dip. I think it is the effect of the baseball playoffs that are being shown on TBS. I think people are starting to watch the playoffs especially when the Cubs or Red Sox play. The shows should rise back up when baseball is over in a couple of weeks.
The baseball playoffs this year have some huge markets like Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, and Philadelphia in prime time against the networks including the Cubs who baseball 2nd highest rated team behind the Red Sox.
The shows are going to be effected until the World Series is over in early November, but after the championship series the games will be played every other day.
It ran 2 years, but it ran for almost 200 episodes. And it was much better than UB. Not the number of episodes is the problem. Besides the ABC show has almost nothing in common with the original telenovela. It wasn't glamourous enough for US television i suppose
I know telenovelas run for hours a week, but no matter how many hours people watched, they still only had to follow the story and its characters for two years or so. It's very different here.
I haven't seen Betty La Fea, but I have no doubt it's a far more interesting show--as I'm sure you realize, the American version is really much more influenced by The Devil Wears Prada and works of that ilk.
I liked it at first, but it got old very quickly--Betty doesn't learn, doesn't change, doesn't get her damn braces taken off already. She's stuck in a loop--because unlike a telenovela, a primetime network drama has no set time limit, and the writers have no idea how long the story will go--so the characters get stuck in a holding pattern.
It's an unperfectable form--and I think we really ought to consider taking a few pages out of the telenovela book. Just because you found a good idea, don't work it to death. Let it grow, mature, and pass on. There'll be another one.
I said it after seeing the pilot: the US version has nowhere to go. Like you said they've transformed the original telenovela idea in a Devil Wears Prada clone. But that worked (somewhat) cause it was a movie. Betty La Fea managed to develope much better the supporting characters, it gave them their own storylines, interesting storylines not pathetic ones like here Not to mention they took out what i thought were the best parts in Betty la fea: Betty's work friends ("the ugly qaurtel" as they were called) and Betty's nerdy boyfriend and his perennial love interest: the blonde stupid secretary.
Even so the writers of UB had the possibility to develop something interesting regarding the supporter characters, but they seem to forget them in the middle of the storyline: Betty's little brother, Betty's sister, Amanda, Mark are all being made useless by the writers. Such a shame.
Originally posted by Twins12: If you notice the past couple of days shows are starting take a little dip. I think it is the effect of the baseball playoffs that are being shown on TBS. I think people are starting to watch the playoffs especially when the Cubs or Red Sox play. The shows should rise back up when baseball is over in a couple of weeks.
Every year, people try and blame baseball for a show's lower ratings, when the reason is most likely...the shows are not highly rated, independent of baseball. Wednesday was low-rated because it was filled with poorly performing freshman and sophomore series, and veteran CBS series that experienced the normal declines from their premieres. Yesterday was low-rated because the debates = less audience than a normal night of CSI/Grey's Anatomy/The Office.
With the playoffs being older male skewing, as well as airing on cable, I really don't think they have much of an impact on ratings anymore. When they get to Fox, we'll see. But I can't see anything on TBS adversely affecting anything on the broadcast nets -- even if it is the Cubs and Red Sox.
Originally posted by metal: And hey, what is the show that is on the air right now? I certainly don't see Reaper in the schedule. When it returns it'll be lucky if it does over 2 million.
Ah, the irony. A Smallville 'fan' takes digs at Supernatural, so you respond by bashing Reaper. Why are the Supernatural fans so obsessed with bashing Reaper?
Originally posted by Twins12: If you notice the past couple of days shows are starting take a little dip. I think it is the effect of the baseball playoffs that are being shown on TBS. I think people are starting to watch the playoffs especially when the Cubs or Red Sox play. The shows should rise back up when baseball is over in a couple of weeks.
Every year, people try and blame baseball for a show's lower ratings, when the reason is most likely...the shows are not highly rated, independent of baseball. Wednesday was low-rated because it was filled with poorly performing freshman and sophomore series, and veteran CBS series that experienced the normal declines from their premieres. Yesterday was low-rated because the debates = less audience than a normal night of CSI/Grey's Anatomy/The Office.
With the playoffs being older male skewing, as well as airing on cable, I really don't think they have much of an impact on ratings anymore. When they get to Fox, we'll see. But I can't see anything on TBS adversely affecting anything on the broadcast nets -- even if it is the Cubs and Red Sox.
I think you are underestimating the baseball effect. Normatlly, TBS probably has maybe a few hundred thousand people watching the channel during prime time. With Baseball I am sure they have at 5-6 million. Those viewers have to come from somewhere.
Originally posted by Twins12: If you notice the past couple of days shows are starting take a little dip. I think it is the effect of the baseball playoffs that are being shown on TBS. I think people are starting to watch the playoffs especially when the Cubs or Red Sox play. The shows should rise back up when baseball is over in a couple of weeks.
Every year, people try and blame baseball for a show's lower ratings, when the reason is most likely...the shows are not highly rated, independent of baseball. Wednesday was low-rated because it was filled with poorly performing freshman and sophomore series, and veteran CBS series that experienced the normal declines from their premieres. Yesterday was low-rated because the debates = less audience than a normal night of CSI/Grey's Anatomy/The Office.
With the playoffs being older male skewing, as well as airing on cable, I really don't think they have much of an impact on ratings anymore. When they get to Fox, we'll see. But I can't see anything on TBS adversely affecting anything on the broadcast nets -- even if it is the Cubs and Red Sox.
You bring up some interesting points there.
This is why I need to see the local market ratings so I can see how shows are doing against games in those four markets.
Here in Philadelphia people are only watching the Phillies when they are on, but those who don't have cable watch regular TV.
The NFL does have a huge affect on male skewing shows on Monday nights because even WWE Raw hasn't been over 5 million viewers since it started.
