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quote: ABC might have had a good afternoon today. I think 16 million is exactly the number they thought they would achieve, and it was my prediction for the ratings.
You predicted it would have fewer viewers than last year's premiere did against a first-run Criminal Minds? quote: Pisher, do you actually think ABC believed it would improve the ratings from the third season premiere? I mean, it was getting 12 million in the spring, has a show ever improved its ratings in 60% within a couple of episodes?
I think they hoped for more, precisely because the strike had hamstrung the competition, and because the timeslot certainly has more viewers up for grabs. Are they miserable about Lost's ratings? Not yet.  quote: So, the numbers are great but...who cares?
Right. If THESE numbers actually count as 'great' on a Thursday night, against repeats and reality cast-offs, TV itself is doomed.  quote: Now we know we're going to get 48 episodes no matter what ratings it gets (which was an amazing decision)!
It's a decision I was fervently advocating last year on this forum, and fanboys like you were insisting it was a bad idea and the show should run forever. quote: I don't even care if I'm the only one watching.
You do realize that ABC can still pull the plug, right? Anytime they want. They probably won't, but they probably wouldn't wait until there was one person watching. Actually, if you aren't a Nielsen household, that would mean the ratings would be 0.0--in HH and all the demos. quote: Then, should ABC be ashamed of this premiere?
They should be concerned. And they are. quote: They should pick up the Simpsons, right?
FOX would have to drop it first. quote: THOSE are great ratings.
Let me know what ratings Lost gets in its 19th season. |
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quote: Hey, hey, hey. Bash the troll
You do such a good job ignoring me, WOP. |
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quote: Originally posted by RussTC3:
Holy. 8.3 million for the debate? That's crazy.
I think that could have affected Celebrity Apprentice and the CSI rerun as much or more than the Lost premiere did. |
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quote: Originally posted by Tamaleobas: ABC might have had a good afternoon today. I think 16 million is exactly the number they thought they would achieve, and it was my prediction for the ratings. Pisher, do you actually think ABC believed it would improve the ratings from the third season premiere? I mean, it was getting 12 million in the spring, has a show ever improved its ratings in 60% within a couple of episodes? Sorry, but Criminal Minds couldn't do it even when airing after the SuperBowl  About viewers getting fed up, I'm just sorry for them. It's ok if you have the concentration-span of a poodle and can't sit through a tv show that poses questions and holds the answers until an appropriate moment. But the thing is, you might be missing on a show that, after the third season, has made some critics dare to say it's the best ever. So, the numbers are great but...who cares? Now we know we're going to get 48 episodes no matter what ratings it gets (which was an amazing decision)! I don't even care if I'm the only one watching. Then, should ABC be ashamed of this premiere? Obviously! They should pick up the Simpsons, right? THOSE are great ratings
60%? I think your mathematics needs improvement. |
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Posters on this thread other than myself who have openly expressed dissatisfaction with Lost's S4 premiere-- Zitrone Robert NYHunter Travis admitted elsewhere that the advance reviews had him hoping for much better. Not exactly a marginal pisher-centric fringe group. In fact, I think I've gotten into fights with all of these people. Well, maybe not NYHunter. Hard to keep track. |
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quote: Originally posted by pisher: Posters on this thread other than myself who have openly expressed dissatisfaction with Lost's S4 premiere-- Zitrone Robert NYHunter Travis admitted elsewhere that the advance reviews had him hoping for much better. Not exactly a marginal pisher-centric fringe group. In fact, I think I've gotten into fights with all of these people. Well, maybe not NYHunter. Hard to keep track.
The hardcore fans as expected loved the premiere (even some of my friends). Others that are not sucg big Lost fans are generally disatisfied including myself |
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quote: The hardcore fans as expected loved the premiere (even some of my friends). Others that are not sucg big Lost fans are generally disatisfied including myself
I count myself a pretty big Lost fan. I've been discussing, reviewing, and speculating on it since the first season premiere (which I also didn't like, I just do not like Lost premieres, I guess--usually like the finales better). People say I don't like anything--it's true I spend a lot of time bashing shows here, but that's because we're discussing network shows here. I loved The Sopranos, and thought the finale was just what was called for. I went through a period of disenchantment with Six Feet Under for a while there, but it found its feet again, and ended as brilliantly as any show ever will. I'm absolutely engrossed with The Wire this season, after finally discovering it last season. I can't help it if there's a lot more bad TV than good TV. That's not my fault. I base my opinions of a show on how good the last few eps have been--not how good I WANT them to have been. Life is too short to spend watching bad TV. But workdays are too long, so I spend a lot of them discussing bad TV. ::shrugs:: |
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quote: You predicted it would have fewer viewers than last year's premiere did against a first-run Criminal Minds?
Oh, you can be sure that anyone who is actually interested about ratings wouldn't predict it to be 60% up from last spring. Do you disagree here? quote: I think they hoped for more, precisely because the strike had hamstrung the competition, and because the timeslot certainly has more viewers up for grabs. Are they miserable about Lost's ratings? Not yet.
Well, let's see, American Idol had the competition humstrung and it's still down year-to-year. The you and FOX probably thought it would be up 60% from last spring, right? Or at least 30%, since it doesn't air on Thursday. And you conveniently forgot to mention that last season's premiere had an 18 million lead-in, and that a repeat of CSI still gets 75% of the numbers Criminal Minds used to. quote: It's a decision I was fervently advocating last year on this forum, and fanboys like you were insisting it was a bad idea and the show should run forever.
Well, I've always supported the limited-run decision, so I'll just ignore this one. quote: You do realize that ABC can still pull the plug, right? Anytime they want. They probably won't
Ok then quote: Let me know what ratings Lost gets in its 19th season.
If the ratings are bad, just drop it! Just because a show is old it doesn't mean that you have to treat it like they are three times higher. And you know that's what you're doing |
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quote: Originally posted by robert: quote: Originally posted by pisher: Posters on this thread other than myself who have openly expressed dissatisfaction with Lost's S4 premiere-- Zitrone Robert NYHunter Travis admitted elsewhere that the advance reviews had him hoping for much better. Not exactly a marginal pisher-centric fringe group. In fact, I think I've gotten into fights with all of these people. Well, maybe not NYHunter. Hard to keep track.
The hardcore fans as expected loved the premiere (even some of my friends). Others that are not sucg big Lost fans are generally disatisfied including myself
I'm not a hardcore fan... (never download any of the webisodes, or go to the website and speculate, etc. etc.) Just a big fan who never misses an episode and... I thought it was a fantastic episode. |
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quote: Originally posted by pisher: quote: The hardcore fans as expected loved the premiere (even some of my friends). Others that are not sucg big Lost fans are generally disatisfied including myself
I count myself a pretty big Lost fan. I've been discussing, reviewing, and speculating on it since the first season premiere (which I also didn't like, I just do not like Lost premieres, I guess--usually like the finales better). People say I don't like anything--it's true I spend a lot of time bashing shows here, but that's because we're discussing network shows here. I loved The Sopranos, and thought the finale was just what was called for. I went through a period of disenchantment with Six Feet Under for a while there, but it found its feet again, and ended as brilliantly as any show ever will. I'm absolutely engrossed with The Wire this season, after finally discovering it last season. I can't help it if there's a lot more bad TV than good TV. That's not my fault. I base my opinions of a show on how good the last few eps have been--not how good I WANT them to have been. Life is too short to spend watching bad TV. But workdays are too long, so I spend a lot of them discussing bad TV. ::shrugs::
I don't know why but i'm always tempted to criticize even the shows i like. IMO among the scripted shows the number of good or decent shows is bigger than the number of bad shows on the main networks whilst the proportion is reversed for the cable shows. But that's just my opinion, it's a matter of taste |
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quote: Originally posted by pisher: And neither does Zitrone? Neither does Travis? You say I don't count, but it would seem your own enumerative powers leave something to be desired. Zitrone and I are not exactly two peas in a pod most of the time, you know. To put it mildly
Zitrone does not watch the show, he said in another thread that he stopped watching the show after the first season and travis did not dislike the episode he said that it was not as mindblowing as he thought tit would be after reading the reviews. And what about the people who liked it? tvfan300, Bruce, myself, Chimera, dumont zedman2 etc quote:
TV critics. We've covered this already. Meaningless.
TV critics are very meaningful I've covered this already  quote:
Hate to break yours, but outside of the internet, Lost is a lot less popular than it used to be. As to how much people liked last night's premiere, the next few weeks will tell that tale. And you may end up liking it a lot less than I liked last night's premiere.
And the sun will rise tomorrow, thank you Mr Obvious. However to counter argue your anecdotal claim no one loving the premiere I provided some numbers of the fan reaction which was largely positive, which atleast for the subject of this particular discussion is more reliable. |
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quote: Originally posted by nyctvdramaqueen:
A bit off-topic since it will be a Monday program, but how do you guys see Paradise Hotel 2 doing on MNTV? I mean, it will repeat all week on FOX Reality Channel (which promieses a TVMA version of the same episode), but could the show do well on MNTV on Mondays at 8 or just be DOA?
I am predicting that Paradise Hotel 2 will pull in a little less than half of its FOX preem on June.18/2003, which was 4.7HH/8%, 7.3 million viewers. If my prediction holds, Paradise Hotel 2 will garner for MyNetworkTV a 2.0HH/4%, 3.1m viewers, and 1.5 A18-49, all network highs. |
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quote: Originally posted by Zitrone:
Actually The Wire is still higher
Okay then its second, being second just 2pts behind the wire is something to gloat about. quote: (and PD, a new series, just behind).
precisely quote:
But as mentioned before, critics were probably just happy to see any kind of new serialized material (and likewise, without the strike I probably wouldn't have watched Lost).
Oh so now you are speaking for the critics? Let's see if I can try and speak for them: The wire is at 89% only due to the fact that critics are glad to have something scripted with black people on air.  Pushing daisies got 86% only due to the novelty of the thing and would have otherwise panned, been below 50%. |
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quote: I don't know why but i'm always tempted to criticize even the shows i like.
Why wouldn't you criticize the shows you like? Those are the shows that MATTER. A show isn't a religion, and actually, people should criticize your religions too. Criticize EVERYTHING. Not as a kneejerk thing, but in reaction to what you actually think is wrong with something. Otherwise, how does anything get better? I wouldn't mind being criticized myself, but unfortunately the criticisms are primarily motivated not by my undoubted flaws, but by the people levying the criticisms feeling pissed off at my being critical of something they like that they can't stand to see criticized. And anybody who gets angry at a TV show taking some heat needs to--let's look for an alternate phrase--cultivate outside interests? Yes, that's a good way to put it. Have a nice weekend, Losties. See you next Thursday.  |
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quote: Originally posted by pisher:
But workdays are too long, so I spend a lot of them discussing bad TV.
No offense, but may I suggest actually doing the job you are getting paid for as a more productive way of spending your workday? |
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