Originally posted by nyctvdramaqueen: So, Celebrity Apprentice may look to settle between 6-8 mil and around 3.0 in the demo in coming weeks with the return of Lost? I wonder if NBC will doubt the second season order.
I wonder if Trump regrets firing Gene Simmons So Early in the run.
X-Files' real problem was that its serialized episodes never made any damn sense, and never resolved anything.
True, and Lost does a better job, because they actually do have a plan. But I think the plan would work better if they could finish the story faster. I don't think they have enough story to fill up all the remaining eps. Not even close. I mean, imagine how quickly The X-Files would have toppled if they did mythology eps EVERY SINGLE WEEK.
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Every time one of their "mythology" episodes aired, it became more and more blatantly obvious that the writers were making it all up as they went along (and badly), instead of planning things out in advance.
Chris Carter himself insisted that The X-Files never have a 'Show Bible'. He wanted all the secrets to be in his head. Most especially the secret that he was stealing all his ideas from little-remembered genre films and shows, and the secret that he couldn't write his way out of paper bag. Good luck with that movie, CC.
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Viewers abandoned the show when they started to catch on. Hopefully the Supernatural and Lost writers have better planning skills, and are more thoughtful and clever, than Chris Carter of the X-Files. Although you'd pretty much have to be retarded monkey to have poorer planning skills than Chris Carter.
Careful, or people will start calling you my sock-puppet. Hey, whatever happened to marionettes?
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And that's almost an insult to retarded monkeys
"Almost"? You'll be receiving a sternly worded letter from the RMADL in due course.
Originally posted by pisher: And I really do think a lot of people are fed up, Russ. I'm fed up, and frankly the only thing keeping me watching is that I want to find out if my guesses were right. And you know, force of habit.
I want the show to be great and do better.
The premiere didn't manage either, but it's only one ep.
I was satisfied, but I'm okay with all the unanswered questions, that's part of the shows appeal. But you said something important. It's just one episode. Which is why I think it's premature to say that folks are fed up. They clearly weren't fed up enough to stop watching (increase from half-hour to half-hour) and the show added over 2 million viewers and more than 14% among A18-49 from last seasons finale.
Let's give it a few more episodes (by that I mean by the third episode).
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I thought the numbers for Lost were good. I can't comprehend how people thought they would be better. The show has been in decline (in viewers) since the second season and Tv isn't a medium where people will watch something when nothing else is on, they have other things to do now. Eli Stone did the usual ABC Thursday at 10 slip and dip. Most likely it will fail. I think Lost will drop 10 - 15% next week and then settle in for a nice run.
Fair enough, though for what it's spending, ABC would like something a little snazzier than 'a nice run'.
I understand that Lost didn't go up against stiff competition, but I think we need to give the benefit of the doubt here.
Okay. I don't think there is any benefit of the doubt. I mean, it's going to get the numbers it gets, no matter what benefits we doubtfully bestow upon it here.
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I mean, it moved timeslots (from 10 to 9) and days (from Wednesday to Thursday).
It moved to a better night and timeslot, with a whole lot of viewers, and ABC did a very good job letting people know about it.
I mean, pardon me if I'm wrong here, but weren't people insisting here LAST season that the 10pm timeslot and killer competition was the only problem?
And now it's got a 9pm timeslot on a big TV night, and very little competition, and it did worse than it did last season.
And I really do think a lot of people are fed up, Russ. I'm fed up, and frankly the only thing keeping me watching is that I want to find out if my guesses were right. And you know, force of habit.
I want the show to be great and do better.
The premiere didn't manage either, but it's only one ep.
pisher, for a man who's proclaiming he hasn't missed an episode of LOST yet, you're forgetful of LOST scheduling details.
LOST did not do worse than it did last season's Winter/Spring 10pm ratings. It beat every single one of those significantly. It did slightly lower than last season's Fall premiere, which was still at 9pm. And again, I explained why that would happen: last season it was coming off its highest rated season, and each season's premiere's numbers are affected by that prior season. This season it was coming off a much lower rated season, so to me this is a significant turn-around, or at a minimum stemming the tide.
The one thing that used to bother me a whole lot about LOST was the questions kept coming, and the answers were hardly ever given- even going back to things from season one. However, now that I know the series has an END date, I feel good that I can watch, and accept the old questions and new ones, knowing the answers will eventually come. I just hope they do not all come in the final 4 episodes of the show.
Well even X-Files tried to offer some answers quicker than Lsot. I'm afraid i was right when i said giving Lost another 48 episodes is stupid. Now the writers can make a plan so they won't have to give any answer for 3 years. I mean after all the show will stay on air no matter what. What's the rush??
Originally posted by nyctvdramaqueen: So, Celebrity Apprentice may look to settle between 6-8 mil and around 3.0 in the demo in coming weeks with the return of Lost? I wonder if NBC will doubt the second season order.
I wonder if Trump regrets firing Gene Simmons So Early in the run.
I do not think that matters. In the end, the show did well enough in the last month because of no real competition. NBC must know that once Lost returned, the show would see a huge drop- and remain that way for most of the season. Even if they move it in a week or two because of Lost, they cannot expect 10 mil again or a high 4 in the demo. Why the second season order came is beyond me, unless they air it at a time with no worries about competition?
Originally posted by TV-aholic: BTW, if the Final numbers hold steady, we may have our very first EXACT Predicition winner. Someone predicted both the 16.1 Million viewers and the 6.7 Demo.
Someone also predicted 16.00 and 6.6, so I'm hoping for a slight downtick in finals. But that's unlikely, since overrun will probably boost it.
Since LOST was almost exactly where I thought it would be, and since Eli Stone was pretty clearly neither DOA nor all that impressive, I think the real story of the evening was Don't Forget the Lyrics. For a show that wasn't even finding 2.0 back when the competition was much stronger, it has really gotten back into the mix in a big way lately. Interesting that it hit new highs while stuff like CSI (R) and Apprentice took hits from the Lost arrival.
And I say that as someone who was watching Lost and paying no attention to Lyrics last night. Just found it odd.
According to preliminary nationals from Nielsen, "Lost" averaged a 6.7 rating/16 share in adults 18-49 and 16.1 million viewers overall, more than doubling its closest competitor among young adults. Though this is down 13% from its most recent season premiere in September 2006, it's worth noting that Nielsen's DVR sample at that time was about 10% while it currently tops 22%; this means that this time around, roughly 12% more of the country had the capacity to record the show for playback days later.
"Lost" outdelivered its most recent season finale last May and logged its best ratings for any episode since its fall finale in November 2006. A clip show kicking off the night for ABC won its timeslot with a 4.9/13 in 18-49 and 13.1 million viewers overall — the best results in the time period for the Alphabet net since the series premiere of "Ugly Betty" in September 2006.
I was satisfied, but I'm okay with all the unanswered questions, that's part of the shows appeal. But you said something important.
I did?! Wow! That's never happened before! Did I reveal the Secret of Life Itself?
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It's just one episode.
Wow! I used a banal shopworn cliche to say something that was painfully obvious to anyone with three functioning braincells! No need to applaud, just throw money.
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Which is why I think it's premature to say that folks are fed up.
There are many different levels of fed up, and most Lost viewers reached the first level somewhere during the second season. Hard to say how many levels are left, but they're past the halfway mark.
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They clearly weren't fed up enough to stop watching (increase from half-hour to half-hour)
Maybe they were just fed up with clipshows?
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and the show added over 2 million viewers and more than 14% among A18-49 from last seasons finale.
And again, premieres improving on finales is not a big deal.
It's the least-watched premiere in the show's history--up against the weakest competition any Lost premiere has ever faced, and bolstered by a really strong promotional push.
We went through this last season, and people insisted nobody was leaving, and you know what? A lot of people left. Of course they'll drop back in sometimes, to see how things are going. But then they'll leave again. And take some more viewers with them.
Originally posted by pisher: True, and Lost does a better job, because they actually do have a plan. But I think the plan would work better if they could finish the story faster.
Exactly, that show would have been great in a two or three seasons run. Instead the plot is constantly delayed by new "mysteries" and flashbacks (hopefully gone for good).
Who honestly cares about the "mythology" of the show or why that statue had four toes? A long con indeed; when it is revealed it was all a dream or that some advanced bioscience explains everything, the semi-backlash following the Sopranos finale will look like unanimous praise.
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Originally posted by pisher:
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They clearly weren't fed up enough to stop watching (increase from half-hour to half-hour)
Maybe they were just fed up with clipshows?
Maybe some were watching the Clinton/Obama debate on CNN.
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