Originally posted by baturcotte: My guess...ES will settle in the 7-8 million viewer category, at best.
I agree. From last night's numbers, it looks clear that Without a Trace repeats will be beating Eli Stone in viewers as soon as next week. Lost will drop as a lead-in, probably 15% or more. Eli Stone will drop by about 30%. Lipstick Jungle may do ok in itas first week, but it will be a non-factor after that. Many TV viewers at 10pm will simply watch some earlier evening show on DVR timeshift as has become the habit on Thursdays.
Originally posted by NYHunter: I don't care what any, crazy LOST fan has to say I was greatly disappointed with last night's LOST. There was no "WOW" factor, and no incentive to make me want to see the next episode. Not to mention some poor acting from a show that usually has the best acting in my opinion. Are the actors begining to lose their "touch"? Whatever, I just hope this was the exception to Season 4 and not the rule.
Wow, the worst review I've seen anywhere about LOST, and it didn't even come from pisher...
I don't care what any, crazy LOST fan has to say I was greatly disappointed with last night's LOST. There was no "WOW" factor, and no incentive to make me want to see the next episode. Not to mention some poor acting from a show that usually has the best acting in my opinion. Are the actors begining to lose their "touch"? Whatever, I just hope this was the exception to Season 4 and not the rule
Obviously the actors are going to start phoning it in--they have to do the same thing over and over again, year after year. For the type of performances they have to give--very emotive and "Oh wow I can't believe that just happened even though it's happened a million times before!"--that kind of monotony is deadly.
Nobody on Lost will deserve an Emmy nomination this season--not even Terry O'Quinn, who thankfully got his Emmy just in the nick of time last year.
Originally posted by Chimera: By the way, I must be the only one that really liked Eli Stone -- I found myself surprisingly engaged in it. Cleverly writte, great cast, and a good mix of elements.
You're not the only one Chimera. I loved it as well. The only problem I had with it is I'm not quite sure where the show goes from here.
Zedman posted this link to a great interview of its co-creator, which talks about some of that -- I think you'll find it interesting:
Originally posted by robert: ES doesn't look very good right now. I mean worse than The Nine? That's bad. But i don't think the decline will be as sharp as for The Nine
You never know, next week Lipstick Jungle crashes the party... *snerk* Oh, man, I'm going to be eating my words if that thing is a hit (the original pilot was only barely more tolerable than Cashmere Mafia's original pilot).
Lipstick Jungle probably won't be a hit, but it could draw enough female viewers away from Eli Stone to hurt ES significantly.
So, Celebrity Apprentice may look to settle between 6-8 mil and around 3.0 in the demo in coming weeks with the return of Lost? I wonder if NBC will doubt the second season order.
Originally posted by robert: SN has become to serialized IMO. I don't think they can afford that. Even a hit show like X-Files was hurt by the fact that it become very serialized
X-Files' real problem was that its serialized episodes never made any damn sense, and never resolved anything. Every time one of their "mythology" episodes aired, it became more and more blatantly obvious that the writers were making it all up as they went along (and badly), instead of planning things out in advance. Viewers abandoned the show when they started to catch on. Hopefully the Supernatural and Lost writers have better planning skills, and are more thoughtful and clever, than Chris Carter of the X-Files. Although you'd pretty much have to be retarded monkey to have poorer planning skills than Chris Carter. And that's almost an insult to retarded monkeys.
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Originally posted by vlis: after 4 nites this week:
viewers 18-49
abc 8.4 2.9
cbs 8.4 2.2
nbc 8.1 2.9
fox 15.8 6.0
Samcat, which network is suppose to be in 4th place????
They'll fall to 4th place for the season by the end of February...with no help from Eli Stone, which will join the list of ABC's bombs this season.
samcat, ABC has bottomed out and will slowly start to climb back up. LOST and the Oscars alone will guarantee that it will not drop to 4th. Then in march they get Oprah's Big Give and Dancing with the Stars, which will propel them even more...
Originally posted by robert: ES doesn't look very good right now. I mean worse than The Nine? That's bad. But i don't think the decline will be as sharp as for The Nine
You never know, next week Lipstick Jungle crashes the party... *snerk* Oh, man, I'm going to be eating my words if that thing is a hit (the original pilot was only barely more tolerable than Cashmere Mafia's original pilot).
Eli Stone... it gets one more week from me. It's ridiculously coated in schmaltz, and I'm not sure my blood-sugar can handle that much saccharinity.
The Nine was an extremely hyped show that was picked as "the best new show" by a bunch of pubs like TV Guide and USA Today. It also following a LOST premiere that was coming off it's highest rated season at the time. I remember how much I was looking forward to The Nine only to be sorely disappointed once it peaked about 5 minutes into the show.
Eli Stone on the other hand is much lower profile, and its plotline (partly serial but mostly self-contained) will allow it to continue to have decent viewership each week. I don't see a dramatic drop off each week as was the case with The Nine.
By the way, I must be the only one that really liked Eli Stone -- I found myself surprisingly engaged in it. Cleverly writte, great cast, and a good mix of elements.
Oh, and as far as Lipstick Jungle, I expect it to bomb, pulling similar numbers and trends to Cashmere Mafia, so in the end it will be a weaker competition than tonight's Celebrity Apprentice for Eli Stone.
I understand that Lost didn't go up against stiff competition, but I think we need to give the benefit of the doubt here.
Okay. I don't think there is any benefit of the doubt. I mean, it's going to get the numbers it gets, no matter what benefits we doubtfully bestow upon it here.
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I mean, it moved timeslots (from 10 to 9) and days (from Wednesday to Thursday).
It moved to a better night and timeslot, with a whole lot of viewers, and ABC did a very good job letting people know about it.
I mean, pardon me if I'm wrong here, but weren't people insisting here LAST season that the 10pm timeslot and killer competition was the only problem?
And now it's got a 9pm timeslot on a big TV night, and very little competition, and it did worse than it did last season.
And I really do think a lot of people are fed up, Russ. I'm fed up, and frankly the only thing keeping me watching is that I want to find out if my guesses were right. And you know, force of habit.
I want the show to be great and do better.
The premiere didn't manage either, but it's only one ep.
I thought the numbers for Lost were good. I can't comprehend how people thought they would be better. The show has been in decline (in viewers) since the second season and Tv isn't a medium where people will watch something when nothing else is on, they have other things to do now. Eli Stone did the usual ABC Thursday at 10 slip and dip. Most likely it will fail. I think Lost will drop 10 - 15% next week and then settle in for a nice run.
