I wasn't happy with the first LOST episode too.

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Originally posted by pisher:
Posters on this thread other than myself who have openly expressed dissatisfaction with Lost's S4 premiere--

Zitrone
Robert
NYHunter

Travis admitted elsewhere that the advance reviews had him hoping for much better.

Not exactly a marginal pisher-centric fringe group.

In fact, I think I've gotten into fights with all of these people.

Well, maybe not NYHunter.

Hard to keep track.

I'd say Sawyer, Desmond and Claire.

Claire and not her baby?

I'd say Rose, Bernard and the smoke monster. Hence the spin-off show that will be created after Lost departs.

ABC Jumps into Lead on the First Night of the 2008 February Sweep:

After the first night of the February Sweep, ABC is the ruler of the roost in the young adult demo, households and viewership.

After one night, FOX and MyNetworkTV are the only two networks to show year-over-year improvement (the FOX year-over-year improvement on Thursdays is really quite astounding). ABC and The CW experienced a low double-digit year-over-year declines, while CBS and NBC both sustained large double-digit losses from last year.

					nights	nights
demo	demo	demo	%	won	won
Rank	web	2008	2007	chg	2008	2007
1	ABC	5.26	6.17	-15%	1	1
2	FOX	3.20	1.83	75%		
3	NBC	2.82	4.32	-35%		
4	CBS	2.30	4.70	-51%		
5	CW	1.45	1.70	-15%		
6	MNT	0.50	0.30	67%		
	total	15.53	19.01	-18%	1	1

  

					nights	nights
HH		HH	HH	HH	won	won
rank	web	2008	2007	chg	2008	2007
1	ABC	8.2	10.3	-21%	1	1
2	CBS	6.7	10.2	-34%		
3	FOX	6.2	2.8	119%		
4	NBC	4.5	5.9	-25%		
5	CW	2.1	2.5	-16%		
6	MNT	0.8	0.5	60%		
	total	28.5	32.3	-12%	1	1
  

					nights	nights
viewers	viewers	viewers	viewers	won	won
rank	web	2008	2007	chg	2008	2007
1	ABC	13.536	15.973	-15%	1	1
2	FOX	10.315	4.395	135%		
3	CBS	10.180	15.830	-36%		
4	NBC	6.833	9.482	-28%		
5	CW	3.380	4.140	-18%		
6	MNT	1.310	0.680	93%		
	total	45.55	50.50	-10%	1	1
  

This years and last years numbers are based upon final Nielsen numbers.

Interesting that ABC takes the 1 day lead while at the same time putting up the weaker performers (Lost and Lost) vs. last year's Ugly Betty and Grey's Anatomy.

The real news is, of course, is FOX's improvement. The sucess of their new Thursday night may just make up for the dropoff that idol is having.

i think its interesting that dumont posts these figures only when abc is doing well...where were you the last 2 months when abc fell more then 1/2 a point? abc went from a solid first to a 4th place position in 2 months...

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Originally posted by Obveeus:
Interesting that ABC takes the 1 day lead while at the same time putting up the weaker performers (Lost and Lost) vs. last year's Ugly Betty and Grey's Anatomy.

The real news is, of course, is FOX's improvement. The sucess of their new Thursday night may just make up for the dropoff that idol is having.

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Originally posted by gdfriends:
i think its interesting that dumont posts these figures only when abc is doing well...where were you the last 2 months when abc fell more then 1/2 a point? abc went from a solid first to a 4th place position in 2 months...

quote:

Originally posted by Obveeus:
Interesting that ABC takes the 1 day lead while at the same time putting up the weaker performers (Lost and Lost) vs. last year's Ugly Betty and Grey's Anatomy.

The real news is, of course, is FOX's improvement. The sucess of their new Thursday night may just make up for the dropoff that idol is having.

Dumont is posting these now because it's February sweeps. He did the same thing during November sweeps, and I'm sure will do it again during May. It has nothing to do with trying to make ABC look good.

LOST DEBATE CONTINUED:

Lost did about 16.1 million viewers on Thursday.

Some Facts:
It should also be noted when looking at the numbers for
the show, “Lost” was among the most recorded and played back TV shows last season,
gaining 1.3 million viewers and 12% in Adults 18-49 on average from its Live + Same Day
to its Live + 7 Day numbers.

Therefore, we know that LOST will gain another 1.5 to 2.0 million viewers with DVR playback.

DVR penetration is now at 22%, v 10% over a year ago. Most people that do have DVR record shows and watch it at their own time, and altering the advertisement. Therefore, one should assume that the DVR playback numbers should even go higher for a show like LOST. So, based on those facts, it wouldn't be impossible for lost to gain another 12%-15%-20% gain on DVR playback.

The debate between Obama V Clinton attracted a lot of interest and possibly the same demographic that watches LOST. I think there a good number of viewers that were affected by this in the East Coast.

To suffice, LOST final number will be around 18 million with the DVR playback numbers. I think both Robert, and some of the gang, need to stop spending too much time watching tv. Just like me, and some other folks, we only come and watch selected shows, in my case, Only LOST. There is nothing good on TV, and nothing appeals to me.

Lost remains to be one of the most popular shows around the world.

ABC is proud of LOST..So, are most of the fans of LOST. Lost will attract some new viewers this season with nothing else on TV.

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Originally posted by gdfriends:
i think its interesting that dumont posts these figures only when abc is doing well...where were you the last 2 months when abc fell more then 1/2 a point? abc went from a solid first to a 4th place position in 2 months...

Dumont likes to track the sweeps periods specifically, so that is no surprise. Now, if vlis all of a sudden popped up to tout ABC's victory, it would be worth noting for its ABC shill-ness. Then again, these days vlis is busy trying to keep a fellow ABC shill from embarassing that network too much with hype posts here.

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Originally posted by stingbee:
DVR penetration is now at 22%, v 10% over a year ago.

I think that 10% number for last year has already been shown to have been way too low. I wonder if the 22% number for this year is low as well or if the Nielsen estimates are finally keeping up with the DVR conversion?

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Most people that do have DVR record shows and watch it at their own time, and altering the advertisement. Therefore, one should assume that the DVR playback numbers should even go higher for a show like LOST.

In general, this is true. However, for the premiere episode, I'd guess that a much higher than usual number of DVR timeshifters still watched later that night.

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The debate between Obama V Clinton attracted a lot of interest and possibly the same demographic that watches LOST. I think there a good number of viewers that were affected by this in the East Coast.

Another good point. That debate must have eaten into the viewer numbers for network TV Thursday night. However, in terms of demographics, I think The Apprentice would be the most affected by that debate. Lost probably wasn't affected any more than the CSI rerun.

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There is nothing good on TV, and nothing appeals to me.

A bit of an exaggeration, but the WGA strike and the trend away from comedy has given TV more of that feel.

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Lost will attract some new viewers this season with nothing else on TV.

I saw the ABC advertisements claiming that new viewers could jump right in this season. I doubt many people will believe it.

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Originally posted by tvfan300:
That would be a total guess at this point. I'd guess Locke, Michael (when he returns - and Harold Perrineau was in the opening credits last night), and Juliet at this point.

I'm with Locke, Michael, and Desmond.

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Originally posted by gdfriends:
i think its interesting that dumont posts these figures only when abc is doing well...where were you the last 2 months when abc fell more then 1/2 a point? abc went from a solid first to a 4th place position in 2 months...

quote:

Originally posted by Obveeus:
Interesting that ABC takes the 1 day lead while at the same time putting up the weaker performers (Lost and Lost) vs. last year's Ugly Betty and Grey's Anatomy.

The real news is, of course, is FOX's improvement. The sucess of their new Thursday night may just make up for the dropoff that idol is having.

Actually, not that Dumont needs defending, but every sweep period he posts updated sweep numbers on a daily basis, which I thank him for.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

quote:

Originally posted by gdfriends:
i think its interesting that dumont posts these figures only when abc is doing well...where were you the last 2 months when abc fell more then 1/2 a point? abc went from a solid first to a 4th place position in 2 months...

Dumont likes to track the sweeps periods specifically, so that is no surprise. Now, if vlis all of a sudden popped up to tout ABC's victory, it would be worth noting for its ABC shill-ness. Then again, these days vlis is busy trying to keep a fellow ABC shill from embarassing that network too much with hype posts here.

Yea I don't think dumont has a bias for ABC (now for MNTV ). I do appreciate his/her giving us the updated sweeps info - even though personaly I think this sweeps period probably doesn't matter to the Nets much. It is nice to have this info daily. So thanks, dumont.

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Originally posted by Hawk-eye:
personaly I think this sweeps period probably doesn't matter to the Nets much. It is nice to have this info daily. So thanks, dumont.

Sweeps are slowly losing their relevance as networks are taking a more year round approach to programming. Certainly, this sweeps period will not be taken seriously by advertisers because so many of the shows they will be paying for going forward are in rerun (or are up against rerun competition).

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Originally posted by robert:

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Originally posted by lordi:
Lost was great last night everyone both critics and fans alike seem to have loved it. I have yet to see a negative review. I think the word of mouth is going to be good so it will continue to do well.

Lost is also up from last season's spring premiere on Feb 7th which got 1.6m and a 6.4 in 18-49. Good news all around for ABC. As for last night's episode Jorge Garcia gave a great emmyworthy performance.

Well not so many liked it here.

Which means absolutely nothing...