Originally posted by dumont: Distressing numbers from Miss/Guided and Eli Stone. There is some tough decision-making ahead for ABC on both series.
Eli performs better on a LIVE+7 basis which seems to have helped a show like Lipstick Jungle on ABC. But ABC is no NBC. As for Miss Guided what I find funny is ABC totally scamming the Nielsen season averages by declaring every single episode of Miss Guided that ever aired "special". It's a goner, but gone in such a way that it won't drag down ABC's season totals one bit.
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Originally posted by the128boy: As far as scripted programs go, it beat CSI (by a significant percentage) in the 18-34 demo, and almost tied Desperate Housewives (check the numbers if you don't believe me people).
Where can 'average folks' check the 18-34 demo numbers?
Seasons 1 to 3: The early years The show premiered as The Seinfeld Chronicles on July 5, 1989, on NBC. The pilot was not very well received. After it aired, a pickup by the NBC network did not seem likely and the show was actually offered to Fox, which declined to pick it up. However, Rick Ludwin, head of late night and special events for NBC, diverted money from his budget, and the next four episodes ("Male Unbonding", "The Stakeout", "The Robbery", and "The Stock Tip") were filmed. These episodes were highly-rated as they followed Cheers on Thursdays at 9:30 p.m., and the series was finally picked up. At one point, NBC considered airing these episodes on Saturdays at 10:30 but instead gave that slot to a short-lived sitcom, FM.
Seinfeld was championed by television critics in its early seasons, even as it was yet to cultivate a substantial audience. The series was generally seen as steadily improving over the course of its first four seasons. The early episodes such as "The Chinese Restaurant", "The Pony Remark", "The Parking Garage", and "The Subway", tended to be more realistic than the later ones, and dealt with the minutiae of daily life, such as getting stuck on the subway or waiting for their turn in a Chinese restaurant.
Please note the absence of the word 'flop'. Please also note that critics are not exactly lining up to champion Miss Guided.
Here's a link to the section of the Everybody Loves Raymond Wikipedi article, that has a year-by-year ratings chart
Please note that the first season was watched by an average of 10.6 million viewers--the sixth season peaked at 20 million. So even by 90's standards, that doesn't sound like a flop to me, and of course ELR would have cost very little to make, compared to Miss Guided.
Not compared to 4.56 million viewers, anyway.
Some shows with unimpressive ratings show genuine promise for the future, and merit patience--most do not. Miss Guided and Eli Stone most certainly do not. They aren't offbeat innovative little sitcoms, or vehicles for rising stars. They are simply bad attempts to clone earlier shows.
Originally posted by the128boy: As far as scripted programs go, it beat CSI (by a significant percentage) in the 18-34 demo, and almost tied Desperate Housewives (check the numbers if you don't believe me people).
Where can 'average folks' check the 18-34 demo numbers?
On that note, i really wish they would start widely reporting the 18-34 breakdown, considering how important it has become as of late. Only a smattering of these figures come down to us lowly forum dwellers :-)
Although there is buzz aplenty about NBC’s plans to introduce a spin-off from The Office next season, has anyone noticed that this comedy is not a breakout hit (and never will be)?
Numbers don't lie.
Here are some very interesting numbers from the last calendar week in which The Office aired.
Although there is buzz aplenty about NBC’s plans to introduce a spin-off from The Office next season, has anyone noticed that this comedy is not a breakout hit (and never will be)?
Numbers don't lie.
Here are some very interesting numbers from the last calendar week in which The Office aired.
Quite honestly, these are the sort of numbers I expected from ABC last week -- what would you expect when the "anchor" for the night is a rerun of LOST?
I think Eli Stone absolutely deserves renewal -- it built significantly from that LOST lead-in, when other, even more established shows, would not have been able to -- Eli Stone has only aired a handful of episodes and still has the ability to pull its own audience. Watch for it to do much better following DH on the 13th...
Although there is buzz aplenty about NBC’s plans to introduce a spin-off from The Office next season, has anyone noticed that this comedy is not a breakout hit (and never will be)?
Numbers don't lie.
Here are some very interesting numbers from the last calendar week in which The Office aired.
Originally posted by Chimera: Quite honestly, these are the sort of numbers I expected from ABC last week -- what would you expect when the "anchor" for the night is a rerun of LOST?
I think Eli Stone absolutely deserves renewal -- it built significantly from that LOST lead-in, when other, even more established shows, would not have been able to -- Eli Stone has only aired a handful of episodes and still has the ability to pull its own audience. Watch for it to do much better following DH on the 13th...
I like ES, but it doesn't deserve a renwal with 5 million viewers
Originally posted by spotupj: Nice to see The Office repeats give NBC two fairly respectable hours (at least as repeats go) in the demo. Cannot wait for its return next week.
I can't wait for it to end, however long that takes.
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Although there is buzz aplenty about NBC’s plans to introduce a spin-off from The Office next season, has anyone noticed that this comedy is not a breakout hit (and never will be)?
Numbers don't lie.
Here are some very interesting numbers from the last calendar week in which The Office aired.
The office was 30,000 weiwers away from beating Heroes and Despereate Houswives, and was already handily beating csi.
How is this show never going to be a hit???
Keep in mind that the office is having a RECORD-BREAKING SEASON and Csi is having a downward trending spiral...
Very funny. The small differnce is that CSI is watched by 21 million and The Office by 8-9 million. Nice spin.
It's not funny and it's not spin. Some people in advertising and marketing care more about the difference between The office's and Csi's 18-34 numbers than they do about they're total viewership numbers.
Can I put it really simply?
If 18-34 numbers didn't matter, neilsen wouldn't spend all that money on figuring them out and reporting them.
Although there is buzz aplenty about NBC’s plans to introduce a spin-off from The Office next season, has anyone noticed that this comedy is not a breakout hit (and never will be)?
Numbers don't lie.
Here are some very interesting numbers from the last calendar week in which The Office aired.
The office was 30,000 weiwers away from beating Heroes and Despereate Houswives, and was already handily beating csi.
How is this show never going to be a hit???
Keep in mind that the office is having a RECORD-BREAKING SEASON and Csi is having a downward trending spiral...
Very funny. The small differnce is that CSI is watched by 21 million and The Office by 8-9 million. Nice spin.
It's not funny and it's not spin. Some people in advertising and marketing care more about the difference between The office's and Csi's 18-34 numbers than they do about they're total viewership numbers.
Can I put it really simply?
If 18-34 numbers didn't matter, neilsen wouldn't spend all that money on figuring them out and reporting them.
They matter a lot, but there's no way you can tell me an 8 million show is a hit. Even if it gets 20 in demos. And you also cannot compare with a 20million+ show like CSI
But, if you dont like or watch the show, are you going to last night just because nothing ealse was on?
I know I would still NOT watch Grey's Anatomy if the only other programming was infommercials and PSAs.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: CSI: Certainly viewers didn't flock like they did for the Monday comedies but it was still a solid return for this show which is right at season average for originals this year. WAT: This has to be disappointing considering competition didn't top 6 million.
Although there is buzz aplenty about NBC’s plans to introduce a spin-off from The Office next season, has anyone noticed that this comedy is not a breakout hit (and never will be)?
Numbers don't lie.
Here are some very interesting numbers from the last calendar week in which The Office aired.
The office was 30,000 weiwers away from beating Heroes and Despereate Houswives, and was already handily beating csi.
How is this show never going to be a hit???
Keep in mind that the office is having a RECORD-BREAKING SEASON and Csi is having a downward trending spiral...
Very funny. The small differnce is that CSI is watched by 21 million and The Office by 8-9 million. Nice spin.
It's not funny and it's not spin. Some people in advertising and marketing care more about the difference between The office's and Csi's 18-34 numbers than they do about they're total viewership numbers.
Can I put it really simply?
If 18-34 numbers didn't matter, neilsen wouldn't spend all that money on figuring them out and reporting them.
They matter a lot, but there's no way you can tell me an 8 million show is a hit. Even if it gets 20 in demos. And you also cannot compare with a 20million+ show like CSI
Yes, i can. I did. And i still will.
Look i'm not trying to say CSI isn't a hit. I'm also not trying to do a direct comparison. But yes, The Office is a hit, despite your desire to believe it or not. BOTH shows are hits (in vastly different ways, but still)... but that's only the case for right now...
Bold prediction: next season, the office will beat CSI in 18-49 demo, as well as 18-34.
