Originally posted by robert: The first episodes of CSI this season were above last season's. After the strike this drop is actually very small
This 'very small drop' is still a down, not an up. This 'very small drop' occurred while ABC was airing an almost unwatched Lost rerun as opposed to a Grey's Anatomy first run. This 'very small drop' is still more of a drop than Survivor, so why term Survivor 'stumbling' and CSI 'ok'?
Whoa whoa whoa. I never meant "stumbling" to be taken as negatively as it apparently sounded. It stumbled, yes. In fact this entire round of Survivor has been disappointing (partly due to NCAA schedule shuffling), but I never meant it to sound really terrible.
But yes, CSI is down 13%... I guess I'll say more than a stumble. That is a very noticable DROP.
Although there is buzz aplenty about NBC’s plans to introduce a spin-off from The Office next season, has anyone noticed that this comedy is not a breakout hit (and never will be)?
It averages 4.5 in the demo for new episodes, how is not a hit?
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Originally posted by Bruce: No matter what arc comes out of this, I'm losing interest in watching this group put the pieces back together. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the best # it does all spring.
With ER coming back next week and Lost joining the tmeslot later on, the competition WaT faces will be much greater than the free ride it had this episode.
Ooooo, big ditto on that one :-)
Let's see what all these CBS defenders will have to say when CSI faces The Office next week and GREYS (dun-dun-DUHH) on the 24th.
Although there is buzz aplenty about NBC’s plans to introduce a spin-off from The Office next season, has anyone noticed that this comedy is not a breakout hit (and never will be)?
It averages 4.5 in the demo for new episodes, how is not a hit?
Totally agreed (and actually it's up to a 4.6 season average :-)
The Office owns all in upscale viewers, as well.
Also, take a look at the last week the office aired.
As far as scripted programs go, it beat CSI (by a significant percentage) in the 18-34 demo, and almost tied Desperate Housewives (check the numbers if you don't believe me people).
The only shows that did significantly better in the 18-34 dept. were House and Grey's Anatomy.
Originally posted by the128boy: As far as scripted programs go, it beat CSI (by a significant percentage) in the 18-34 demo, and almost tied Desperate Housewives (check the numbers if you don't believe me people).
Where can 'average folks' check the 18-34 demo numbers?
Originally posted by Marc Berman: Also in the hour was ABC’s on-the-fence Eli Stone (Viewers: #2, 5.22 million; A18-49: #3, 1.6/ 4),
Amazing what qualifies a show as 'on the fence' these days. I suppose the ratings are as good as According to Jim, but seriously, there is no reason for this show to be renewed.
It did grow out of its lead in by 1 million. Miss/Guided on the other hand, is gone.
CSI: Certainly viewers didn't flock like they did for the Monday comedies but it was still a solid return for this show which is right at season average for originals this year. WAT: This has to be disappointing considering competition didn't top 6 million.
Originally posted by robert: The first episodes of CSI this season were above last season's. After the strike this drop is actually very small
This 'very small drop' is still a down, not an up. This 'very small drop' occurred while ABC was airing an almost unwatched Lost rerun as opposed to a Grey's Anatomy first run. This 'very small drop' is still more of a drop than Survivor, so why term Survivor 'stumbling' and CSI 'ok'?
True, it was down from last year, but this episode was actually 11% above the previous one back in January, and is the first time that CSI has been above 20 million since the character of Sara left.
Originally posted by Bruce: No matter what arc comes out of this, I'm losing interest in watching this group put the pieces back together. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the best # it does all spring.
With ER coming back next week and Lost joining the tmeslot later on, the competition WaT faces will be much greater than the free ride it had this episode.
Ooooo, big ditto on that one :-)
Let's see what all these CBS defenders will have to say when CSI faces The Office next week and GREYS (dun-dun-DUHH) on the 24th.
I also thought CSI would do a bit better than it did facing virtually nothing, but it still hit 20 million. Another sign the strike and overabundance of crime shows has taken their tole. WAT, on the other hand, has to be labeled disappointing. That show is coasting at this point. A move to Friday or back to Sunday would likely result in low enough 18-49s that CBS would consider cancellation.
Originally posted by robert: The first episodes of CSI this season were above last season's. After the strike this drop is actually very small
This 'very small drop' is still a down, not an up. This 'very small drop' occurred while ABC was airing an almost unwatched Lost rerun as opposed to a Grey's Anatomy first run. This 'very small drop' is still more of a drop than Survivor, so why term Survivor 'stumbling' and CSI 'ok'?
True, it was down from last year, but this episode was actually 11% above the previous one back in January, and is the first time that CSI has been above 20 million since the character of Sara left.
Well considering it was facing nothing, I would hope it could do that well.
I fully believe that with a strong lead-in this show could be a hit. I think that abc did a poor job of premiering this show in a tough time slot. I feel with a little patience this could be a hit for them, remember that both seinfeld and Everybody loves raymond were both considered flops in their freshmen seasons and look how that turned out.
So the line of reasoning runs thusly:
1)There's this new show I like.
2)It's getting bad ratings.
3)I've heard that some shows that eventually became hits got bad ratings.
4)This means that if they keep this show I like on the air long enough, it will be a hit, even though it is nothing like those other shows, which I have heard were once considered flops, though in fact they were not doing nearly as badly in the ratings, as this new show is doing.
5)The fact that far many other times, shows that were doing badly were given more time, and remained flops is immaterial.
ES improved from Lost's numbers so I'd just say the performance was bad instead of abysmal.
C'mon--no matter what the lead-in is, or if there IS no lead-in, a 1.6 in the demo for a first-run scripted Thursday primetime drama is beyond abysmal. Improving on a repeat for a show that repeats badly hardly makes up for that. That wouldn't have been a good demo # for a CW drama--well, last season, anyway.
They've given it every chance, and it can't deliver.
