Last night's episode of TD looked funny and I DVR'ed it, but it didnt record it for some reason! FOX should definetly keep both comedies, because if they dont they wont have any old comedy they know performs "okay" to build off of.
Good numbers for last night's good episode of Law and Order!
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Originally posted by Twins12: One thing I will say is I am really starting to buy Obveeus's time slot thing with the 8:00 sitcoms. Look at BTY and TD. One grows by about a million viewers and the demo from the other. Since they switched time slots they are switching ratings. It is very similar to Monday nights with BBT/HIMYM. It almost does not matter which show goes where. Whatever show goes at 8:30 inevitably beats the 8:00 show.
Except it doesn't always work that way. Last year the Class didn't always hold the HIMYM lead in. The year before that HIMYM sometimes failed to hold the KoQ lead in. It always seems the Simpsons beats the 8:30 competition with the exception being when Family Guy airs there. So its not always this way, but a lot of the time it is.
C'mon, pisher, try to keep my quotes in context for ONCE. ;-)
But they make even LESS sense that way.
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I meant that NBC is giving it no support LEAD-IN-WISE. Or perhaps you'd like to argue that repeats of defunct L&O:CI are good coattails to ride?
And I meant that a show in its 18th season, that has become a universally recognized brandname, isn't supposed to need a lead-in with coattails. It's supposed to PROVIDE the coattails for some other show--or get off the damned airwaves.
The Simpsons gets plenty of flak from people here, who say there's no reason for it to continue--although it's making FOX a pile of money through merchandising and movies, and the ratings are surprisingly strong for a show in its 19th season. And what kind of lead-in does The Simpsons get? 7:30pm Repeats of American Dad.
There isn't one original character left in L&O, and there never was anything resembling an original idea in it.
In any event, Gunsmoke ran for 633 episodes, and that's a record L&O will never get within sight of.
Exactly! When Brooke started tearing up and apologizing, I knew she would be safe. America felt sorry for her and gave her sympathy votes after being humiliated on national TV. Jason has never really put in a good performance but tweens think he's "cute". Since tweens are the ones that vote the most, he gets free passes to the next round. Syesha and Carly do not have big fanbases and are polarizing. Unfortunately for them, even if they have a fantastic performance they have to rely on casual voters to swing their way week after week. This week, there wasn't enough casual voters to save Carly. It isn't "fair" in terms of quality of performances. However, it does make sense if you look at it from a vote perspective.
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Originally posted by libragal: I agree with you, Marc and others that are stunned at Carly's premature and unfair elimination. To quote the inimitable Simon Cowell, this is, SUPPOSED TO BE a "SINGING competition." Unfortunately, as the Sanjaya debacle of last season, and now the Jason debacle of this season proves, it's simply not. It is a popularity contest weighted down by screaming tweens who wouldn't know a good singer from a bad singer, as long as he's cute. And Jason is cute. Dumb, but cute. As for Brooke, the secret of her ongoing largely undeserved success is her humility, likability and how she wears her emotions on her sleeve. Americans like that. Carly's tattoos, her Irish lilt, her sass--it was just a matter of time before those things took her out, but it shouldn't have been last night. Those of us who sat there pole-axed, can comfort ourselves with the career trajectory of other 'losers' Chris Daughtry, Jennifer Hudson vs 'winners' like Taylor Hicks. I suspect Carly's got her record deal all but signed. But, a night like this does affect the credibility of the show; eventually, relying on "America" to pick its winner could prove to be the Achilles heel of IDOL. At least in Dancing w/the Stars, the judges have SOME say in the matter!
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Originally posted by tvchtw: Thats where the shock really came in. Carly was easily the best Tuesday night and had her strongest performance in weeks. At least when Michael Johns went home he had an off week and went first so it was more understandable, even though he clearly went home way too early. I'm so over Jason and Brooke, their performances are the same every week and I really dont care to hear them sing anymore.
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Originally posted by TravisYanan:
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Before I get into the Wednesday results, let me begin by talking about Carly Smithson’s exit on American Idol last night. While nothing at this point should ever be a surprise to any of us, Carly leaving before Brooke White and Jason Castro is just an abomination. While I can sort of understand the giggly teens voting for John Travolta in dreadlocks, who the heck is supporting this Carly Simon wannabe? Folks…I just don’t get it. Do you?
I agree to a point, Marc. The elimination was before-her-time (Carly wasn't going to win, but based on vocal ability she should've been in the Top 4 at least with the Davids and Syesha... if not the Top 3 with the Davids), and especially surprising given the fact that she was one of the, if not the, best on Tuesday. The abominable thing about last night's elimination for me was that the Bottom Two was all wrong given the performances. When you have Jason and Brooke (both of whom have performed well at points this season, and were clearly way outside their comfort zone on Tuesday) doing abhorrent performances... you don't expect NEITHER of them to be in the bottom group. Because, often, the Idol viewers/voters get it right... we forget that the show is a popularity contest to many extents.
As for Brooke... the judges helped her stay on by getting her some sympathy votes after her performance. I really like Brooke when she's doing her thing (her "Let It Be" is a highlight of this season) and when she isn't saying "it's okay, it's okay" as the judges give her critiques (which she has largely stopped doing).
Originally posted by robert: Who cares about who wins AI? It means nothing. Who won last year? Or the year before that?
No, you're completely correct. It doesn't matter much that you win, so long as you score a recording contract (which the winner automatically gets). Case in point... last year, Jordin won. Her album has been a sales flop, but she's been a radio and digital download success. Taylor Hicks won the year before that and was a complete flop, but Chris Daughtry's band was the top selling group of 2007 and he was fourth place. From the same year, Katherine McPhee was second and her album flopped and she has lost her contract, while Kelly Pickler came in fifth and has a decent (but not Carrie Underwood-sized) country career.
It doesn't matter that you win. Get a recoding contract and your success will be based on the songs and album.
Originally posted by mushu_jj: Except it doesn't always work that way. Last year the Class didn't always hold the HIMYM lead in. The year before that HIMYM sometimes failed to hold the KoQ lead in. It always seems the Simpsons beats the 8:30 competition with the exception being when Family Guy airs there. So its not always this way, but a lot of the time it is.
The Class was cancelled because it performed so poorly. Honestly, King of the Hill SHOULD be cancelled as well. Meanwhile, How I Met Your Mother has performed with admirable strength while its detractors have failed repeatedly to grasp that fact. They failed to take notice with The Class or with The New Adventures of Old Christine sharing that hour with them. Now, finally, as BBT shares the hour, people have finally started to notice just how strong HIMYM is.
Originally posted by mushu_jj: Except it doesn't always work that way. Last year the Class didn't always hold the HIMYM lead in. The year before that HIMYM sometimes failed to hold the KoQ lead in. It always seems the Simpsons beats the 8:30 competition with the exception being when Family Guy airs there. So its not always this way, but a lot of the time it is.
The Class was cancelled because it performed so poorly. Honestly, King of the Hill SHOULD be cancelled as well. Meanwhile, How I Met Your Mother has performed with admirable strength while its detractors have failed repeatedly to grasp that fact. They failed to take notice with The Class or with The New Adventures of Old Christine sharing that hour with them. Now, finally, as BBT shares the hour, people have finally started to notice just how strong HIMYM is.
I would say that only if the 8:00 show is much stronger than the 8:30 show it can do better, but if the shows are reasonably close, whichever one gets the 8:30 slot shines by growing out of the 8:00 show.
Originally posted by TravisYanan: It doesn't matter that you win. Get a recoding contract and your success will be based on the songs and album.
Along those lines, whether or not The Pussycat Dolls gets another season on CW may depend almost entirely on how well the Girlicious CD does this Summer/Fall. Geffen Records is a quality label.
Originally posted by Twins12: I would say that only if the 8:00 show is much stronger than the 8:30 show it can do better, but if the shows are reasonably close, whichever one gets the 8:30 slot shines by growing out of the 8:00 show.
You do bring up a good point. If CW is really going after the teen/young female demo and the CD sells decently, CW could change up the show and either go for an all boy group for the young girls to drool over or a mixture of a guy/girl group if Dawn is still on her girl power kick. It really doesn't matter how the Pussycat Dolls are attached since they were barely made an appearance in the Girlicious show.
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Originally posted by Obveeus:
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Originally posted by TravisYanan: It doesn't matter that you win. Get a recoding contract and your success will be based on the songs and album.
Along those lines, whether or not The Pussycat Dolls gets another season on CW may depend almost entirely on how well the Girlicious CD does this Summer/Fall. Geffen Records is a quality label.
Originally posted by TravisYanan: It doesn't matter that you win. Get a recoding contract and your success will be based on the songs and album.
Along those lines, whether or not The Pussycat Dolls gets another season on CW may depend almost entirely on how well the Girlicious CD does this Summer/Fall. Geffen Records is a quality label.
Bad comparison. We were talking about the success of contestants on the show as recording artists, not the hypothetical success of the recording artists validating keeping a low rated show on the air. Although it would probably help in PCD Presents' case. In the case of Idol... the show is a megahit. Its success isn't based on the success of its alumni (Kelly Clarkson's initial success with her single validated Idol somewhat at first... of course there was also the resounding flop that was "From Justin to Kelly"... but her first album didn't drop until the second season was almost finished, and it was definitely a big hit show).
FOX should definetly keep both comedies, because if they dont they wont have any old comedy they know performs "okay" to build off of.
