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Originally posted by Legends:
I guess Til' Death and Back to You are not mass appeal hits... and never will be...

LOL. True, true.

And you know what? I'm gonna help some people out there get a jump on tomorrow's thread: The Office is not a mass appeal hit, either. And it never will be.

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Originally posted by the128boy:

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Originally posted by Walter:
I hope NBC stops making DOND 2 hours because i think were starting to see it in the numbers.

Actually, the Wed edition always had pretty low numbers compared to the Mon edition. I think these numbers are pretty in line with the overall dip in tv ratings across the board. The Monday numbers, however, are a lot more disturbing. They are not much better than these, yet used to be a LOT bigger.

I know it scary..

I think they have it on T.v so much that NBC is starting to do what ABC did to Who wants to be a Millionair.

Hopefully it is the end for Pussycat Dolls: Girlicious or whatever band name they come up with next time. Those numbers do not justify a renewal. Its only hope is the newly vacant CW Fridays but the main audience for the Pussycat Dolls will be out and the ratings would just plummet.

Good to see Law and Order post such great numbers. The ratings shouldn't fall too much now that Anthony Anderson is taking over.

Just end Men In Trees. How many times can ABC move this show and fail? It is becoming another According to Jim. The audience just isn't there.

TD and B2Y will get another 13 to improve and try to get better. As I said before, FOX needs to program a full comedy night on Wednesdays. That being said, if something like The Inn or Spaced takes off more in the fall than TD and B2Y, FOX won't hesitate to cancel them. In the case of TD, it should probably be cancelled already and I don't see the benefit of another 13.

Wife Swap and Supernanny do well for what they are meant to do, Friday night programming or filling in spots. They are never going to be stand alone break out hits, but they are good gap fillers. Just For Laughs is also in the same boat.

Howie Mandel would be under the "Game Show Hosts" category, so he'd be eligible for the Daytime Emmys, not the Primetime ones (Regis won one for WWTBAM, and it was at the daytime awards).

I am looking forward to the Star Wars DoND next week- but the 2 hour eps have got to stop next season.

As to BB- I think Adam wins. Ryan has too much baggage with Jen (the jury won't want to win through him), and he was the one who got blood on his hands when he did the major evictions (Sharon was an example- Ryan could have saved her with a veto, but didn't)- Adam sorta skated by with promises, is pretty well liked, and has a spokesperson in Sheila. It won't be a sweep, but I'm thinking 5-2 Adam. It's been a weak season, but hey, only 79 days 'til BB 10 starts! (or 4 days til BB Australia starts if you need a fix)...

According to Media Life, "Top Model" won in the hour in adults 18-34. "Back to You" finished 1st in the money demo? Book that show for a second season.

I think it is too early to say that about Back To You. its only had about a dozen episodes is doing decent numbers right now at 8:30

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Originally posted by Legends:
I guess Til' Death and Back to You are not mass appeal hits... and never will be...

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
CSI:NY fell quite a bit from the lead in. Could Law and Order be an upcoming problem for this weakening CSI spinoff?

Yes, it could be.

Last week's new CSI:NY vs. a repeat L&O
Viewers:
13.35 CSI:NY
6.20 L&O

Demo:
3.7 CSI:NY
1.8 L&O

This week's new L&O vs. a repeat CSI:NY
Viewers:
12.63 L&O
7.73 CSI:NY

Demo:
3.7 L&O
2.1 CSI:NY

The verdict? CSI:NY holds up better in reruns, with a 1.5 mil and 0.4 more in the demo, but is practically neck-and-neck with new eps (.7 mil more views and same demo).

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
NBC: Modest DOND. Strong Law and Order. Unlike ER, which has been sinking like a stone lately, this show has held steady and improved this year in its return to Wednesdays. NBC should just throw the towel in on likely failure Lipstick Jungle or move that elsewhere and go with this on Wednesdays at 10 all next year.

Absolutely.

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Originally posted by the128boy:
FOX: Both 'TD and BTY needed those slight bumps from last week... desperately. FOX must be happy with that, but i wonder if it's enough for a renewal. Perhaps if they can rebound a *little* bit more in the coming weeks, they can secure a 3rd/2nd season.

With FOX's recent track record with new series, keeping Back To You may be the safer plan of action. The last thing we need is another.... Heck, I have already forgotten all those sitcoms that have aired within the Animation block.

As a former cop, I've been a longtime Lawn Odor fan; niceta see it comin' on strong again. Now while it might never reach the heights of the Orbach-Noth days again, it should remain strong for a few more seasons if the writing/acting quality is maintained.

I wish DOND were only an hour long from now on.

This might be the death knell for MIT.

And I agree that the CW oughtta use the ANTM lead-in for something people will watch. I mean, like how many times can the PDs change members? But again, this is the CW, Ostroff's play pen....

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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy:
Wife Swap and Supernanny do well for what they are meant to do, Friday night programming or filling in spots. They are never going to be stand alone break out hits, but they are good gap fillers. Just For Laughs is also in the same boat.

Actually they are much better than JFL. JFL sucks it up in both views and demo. I recall some recent eps that got a paltry 1.3 or something? At least Wife Swap can pull above a 2. Not really noteworthy, but not so anemic as to warrent an immediate pull (as I think JFL does).

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
I think it is too early to say that about Back To You. its only had about a dozen episodes is doing decent numbers right now at 8:30

I agree that the numbers are 'decent' for FOX sitcoms. However, I think the show has limited up potential simply because both leads have played the same character for a decade or two already.

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Originally posted by the128boy:
Last week's new CSI:NY vs. a repeat L&O
Viewers:
13.35 CSI:NY
6.20 L&O

Demo:
3.7 CSI:NY
1.8 L&O

This week's new L&O vs. a repeat CSI:NY
Viewers:
12.63 L&O
7.73 CSI:NY

Demo:
3.7 L&O
2.1 CSI:NY

The verdict? CSI:NY holds up better in reruns, with a 1.5 mil and 0.4 more in the demo, but is practically neck-and-neck with new eps (.7 mil more views and same demo

With both shows going after the exact same audience, The one with an original episode against the others repeat will look really good, while the other... not so much.

When both are on equal ground, CSI: NY does usually do better.

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And you know what? I'm gonna help some people out there get a jump on tomorrow's thread: The Office is not a mass appeal hit, either. And it never will be.

It is compared with Til Death and Back to You.

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Originally posted by the128boy:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
CSI:NY fell quite a bit from the lead in. Could Law and Order be an upcoming problem for this weakening CSI spinoff?

Yes, it could be.

Last week's new CSI:NY vs. a repeat L&O
Viewers:
13.35 CSI:NY
6.20 L&O

Demo:
3.7 CSI:NY
1.8 L&O

This week's new L&O vs. a repeat CSI:NY
Viewers:
12.63 L&O
7.73 CSI:NY

Demo:
3.7 L&O
2.1 CSI:NY

The verdict? CSI:NY holds up better in reruns, with a 1.5 mil and 0.4 more in the demo, but is practically neck-and-neck with new eps (.7 mil more views and same demo).

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
NBC: Modest DOND. Strong Law and Order. Unlike ER, which has been sinking like a stone lately, this show has held steady and improved this year in its return to Wednesdays. NBC should just throw the towel in on likely failure Lipstick Jungle or move that elsewhere and go with this on Wednesdays at 10 all next year.

Absolutely.

except that this was a special l&o episode with a major cast member leaving...l&o should have done better...yes l&o will hurt csi:ny but at the end of the day you will find csi:ny on top but weakened a bit and l&o as a very solid 2nd....unfortunately these two franchises are to similar...they devour eachothers audiences

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Originally posted by gdfriends:

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Originally posted by the128boy:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
CSI:NY fell quite a bit from the lead in. Could Law and Order be an upcoming problem for this weakening CSI spinoff?

Yes, it could be.

Last week's new CSI:NY vs. a repeat L&O
Viewers:
13.35 CSI:NY
6.20 L&O

Demo:
3.7 CSI:NY
1.8 L&O

This week's new L&O vs. a repeat CSI:NY
Viewers:
12.63 L&O
7.73 CSI:NY

Demo:
3.7 L&O
2.1 CSI:NY

The verdict? CSI:NY holds up better in reruns, with a 1.5 mil and 0.4 more in the demo, but is practically neck-and-neck with new eps (.7 mil more views and same demo).

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
NBC: Modest DOND. Strong Law and Order. Unlike ER, which has been sinking like a stone lately, this show has held steady and improved this year in its return to Wednesdays. NBC should just throw the towel in on likely failure Lipstick Jungle or move that elsewhere and go with this on Wednesdays at 10 all next year.

Absolutely.

except that this was a special l&o episode with a major cast member leaving...l&o should have done better...yes l&o will hurt csi:ny but at the end of the day you will find csi:ny on top but weakened a bit and l&o as a very solid 2nd....unfortunately these two franchises are to similar...they devour eachothers audiences

Well i can tell u one thing Ill be watching Law and Order.