I agree. This board's biggest critique with DWTS is that it was the same old thing each week. This will definately shake things up. No more dull dance partners. ABC listened to the critiques and adjusted brilliantly.
Originally posted by WlcmDoNotDisturb90210: If Dancing with the Stars did this, I could see a lot of people protesting. Probably the parent/family council or whatever they call themselves. Which is a shame because its a dancing show and I bet it already attracts a lot of the same sex audience. I for one would love to see it. It would bring some spark to the show.
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Originally posted by lopez: Dancing with the Stars to Tango with Gay Twist?
The latest buzz has Lance Bass signed on to samba — but here's the possible wrinkle: Sources tell the New York Daily News that producers might pair the openly gay 'NSYNC alum with a male pro. Not that there's anything wrong with that. — Matt Mitovich
I don't think the controversy would be that huge. We've already had same sex kissing in shows, and there's no controversy over it, only publicity advertising it, which does help ratings.
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Originally posted by WlcmDoNotDisturb90210: If Dancing with the Stars did this, I could see a lot of people protesting. Probably the parent/family council or whatever they call themselves. Which is a shame because its a dancing show and I bet it already attracts a lot of the same sex audience. I for one would love to see it. It would bring some spark to the show.
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Originally posted by lopez: Dancing with the Stars to Tango with Gay Twist?
The latest buzz has Lance Bass signed on to samba — but here's the possible wrinkle: Sources tell the New York Daily News that producers might pair the openly gay 'NSYNC alum with a male pro. Not that there's anything wrong with that. — Matt Mitovich
I don't think the controversy would be that huge. We've already had same sex kissing in shows, and there's no controversy over it, only publicity advertising it, which does help ratings.
Anytime the Parents Council shows up to protest something, a show's ratings go up. ABC should do it.
Originally posted by A.C.: They tried with SWINGTOWN which is marvelous but it just isn't compatible with the network's image and failed to catch on.
Swingtown is a good show. Its too bad it didn't catch on. I really think they could've had something here but it just wasn't meant to be. I'm not sure Swingtown would've worked elsewhere either. Maybe on ABC, but the only place there I think it may have done well is after either Housewives or Dancing.
There's always that "other network" where a struggling show would have fared better but I think your comment about S-TOWN perhaps not working anywhere else is on target.
I was open to the show but I saw it as a nice idea that didn't reach its destination. I don't think its problem was airing on CBS or out of CSI, the latter's audience being one that is culled from every corner of the TV spectrum practically.
It was also miles and miles away from being a cable type of offering.
The show is extremely mild given the subject matter. Imagine what it could've been on a cable network?! I still think its one of the better dramas produced by CBS in a while but it was just a nice offering, not something I think people thought they had to watch. CSI wasn't the problem really although I will say the very weak Thursday 8pm hour as of late has hurt CBS Thursday in general. Swingtown at heart is really a family drama and so much of one I would've considered this for Sundays at 8pm during the regular season if I were running the eye. In fact, it may have worked there best into Cold Case during the Amazing Race's break.
Originally posted by WlcmDoNotDisturb90210: If Dancing with the Stars did this, I could see a lot of people protesting. Probably the parent/family council or whatever they call themselves. Which is a shame because its a dancing show and I bet it already attracts a lot of the same sex audience. I for one would love to see it. It would bring some spark to the show.
I can see the demo going up with this twist.
Controversy = Ratings.
Not necessarily, all the child labor law controversy did nothing for Kid Nation. DWTS does fine as is, I don't see it doing much better. Those type shows including AI have been slowly going down over the past year. Yes, it will do very well, but not much better.
Also, the anti-gay groups will organize and get him voted off the show in the first week or two, so his impact will not last long.
Originally posted by Twins12: Also, the anti-gay groups will organize and get him voted off the show in the first week or two, so his impact will not last long.
I thought the way these shows work is that you vote for who stays on the show instead of voting people off.
Are there really people that watch the dance shows to see men dance? I thought most of the viewers were tuning in to watch the female partner (guys to drool at her and women to live vicariously). It seems to me that a pairing of two men would have trouble finding a large following for that reason alone (the sexual orientation issue need not even enter into it).
Originally posted by Obveeus: Are there really people that watch the dance shows to see men dance? I thought most of the viewers were tuning in to watch the female partner (guys to drool at her and women to live vicariously). It seems to me that a pairing of two men would have trouble finding a large following for that reason alone (the sexual orientation issue need not even enter into it).
I thought it was a more female-oriented show.
The more people sit here and rant about how bad this can be, the more we prove to our selves that America has a real problem.
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FOX #1 in A18-49 After One Week of 2008 July Sweep (Updated with final numbers)
After one week of the July Sweep, FOX holds a comfortable first place lead over ABC and NBC in A18-49 with a 2.0 A18-49 average. ABC and NBC are tied in second, each with a 1.7 average. CBS is fourth with 1.3, The CW fifth with 0.5 and MyNetworkTV is last with a 0.3 average. Year-over-year, only ABC is up in A18-49's (up 16%), whereas all the other networks are showing A18-49 declines from last July.
After six nights, CBS holds on to its customary lead in households and viewership, with NBC ranking second and FOX third in both measures. In viewers, only ABC and NBC are showing year-over-year increases or staying level compared to last years July Sweep.
nights nights
demo web demo demo % won won
Rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 FOX 2.00 2.34 -15% 4 5.5
2 NBC 1.70 1.80 -5% 1.5 0.5
2 ABC 1.70 1.46 16% 1
4 CBS 1.34 1.82 -26%
5 CW 0.53 0.73 -27% 0.5 1
6 MNT 0.32 0.47 -32%
total 7.60 8.62 -12% 7 7
nights nights
HH web HH HH HH won won
rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 CBS 4.2 4.5 -6% 3 4.5
2 NBC 3.7 3.7 0% 1.5
3 FOX 3.5 4.0 -14% 1.5 2.5
4 ABC 3.4 3.0 13% 1
5 CW 0.9 1.3 -30%
6 MNT 0.6 0.7 -16%
total 16.3 17.2 -5% 7 7
nights nights
viewers web viewers viewers viewers won won
rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 CBS 6.252 6.572 -5% 2 4
2 NBC 5.750 5.509 4% 1
3 FOX 5.529 6.230 -11% 3 3
4 ABC 5.181 4.466 16% 1
5 CW 1.395 1.930 -28%
6 MNT 0.915 1.070 -14%
total 25.02 25.776 -3% 7 7
First seven nights and last years comparative numbers are based upon final Nielsen numbers.
Nota Bene. This year's Sweep includes the low-HUT Fourth of July whereas last year's Sweep started on July 5th and did not include the Fourth of July.
TVGUIDE does a poll on this DWTS news and i was shocked to see that the vast majority is against the idea. And i guess most TVGUIDE.com readers aren't exactly the most conservative on the planet. Maybe a lot, and i mean a lot of people is still homophobic to their bones. Beacause i can't see anything wrong in the idea of two men dancing together. It's not like they're having sex. With that said i still wouldn't watch such a crappy show. But ABC should definetely do it.
Originally posted by robert: TVGUIDE does a poll on this DWTS news and i was shocked to see that the vast majority is against the idea. And i guess most TVGUIDE.com readers aren't exactly the most conservative on the planet. Maybe a lot, and i mean a lot of people is still homophobic to their bones. Beacause i can't see anything wrong in the idea of two men dancing together. It's not like they're having sex. With that said i still wouldn't watch such a crappy show. But ABC should definetely do it.
BTW has anyone protested Brothers and Sisters?
Not only that, but are we forgetting hit show Will & Grace? 20 million people a week didn't seem to have an issue with that show.
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Originally posted by robert: TVGUIDE does a poll on this DWTS news and i was shocked to see that the vast majority is against the idea. And i guess most TVGUIDE.com readers aren't exactly the most conservative on the planet. Maybe a lot, and i mean a lot of people is still homophobic to their bones.
People thinking it is a stupid idea to have a same-sex male couple does not mean that those people are homophobic. Like I said earlier, I think most people tune in for the female part of the act anyway. People that really care about the dancing probably recognize that some forms of dance (hip hop, for example) would put an all male act at a decided advantage because both partners would be able to amp up the power/athletic moves, while other forms of dance (anything with lifts) would put an all male act at a disadvantage since both partners would likely be larger than a 'typical female'.
I'm sure if there was a poll given in the late 90's if Ellen should come out of the closet on her show, it also would have gotten a thumbs down, then everyone watched. (Then they didn't because the material following the episode was dull, but I digress).
No one could vote off Lance Bass, which shows how the people saying this don't even watch the show. I'm sure along with the women (who tend to be less homophobic as a species) there are many gay men watching the show who will vote for him.
That being said, in the ballroom dance world, which I've been a part of in the past, there are many times when men will dance with men and people could care less. I would tend to think that many of the viewers are from this world as well. The ones protesting obviously don't watch as mentioned above.
Whenever you introduce something different, the hype surrounding it is much worse than the actual execution. Life will go on, DWTS will continue and the homophobes will find something else to protest.
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Originally posted by robert: TVGUIDE does a poll on this DWTS news and i was shocked to see that the vast majority is against the idea. And i guess most TVGUIDE.com readers aren't exactly the most conservative on the planet. Maybe a lot, and i mean a lot of people is still homophobic to their bones. Beacause i can't see anything wrong in the idea of two men dancing together. It's not like they're having sex. With that said i still wouldn't watch such a crappy show. But ABC should definetely do it.
