That 5-6 million would be better than any ABC comedy not airing behind Dancing since GLo/Jim a few years ago. SW's most recent non-Dancing paired eps showed growth through the hour. I think if it had a decent show to pair with, SW would do alright. You have very little faith in anything it seems. 12/01/08(S-9pm) 6.04 M 1.9/5 12/01/08 6.51 M 2.1/5
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Originally posted by Twins12: SW will bomb anywhere without the DWTS lead in. It is the most lead in dependent shows on TV. SW either goes after DWTS or off the air. Pair it with another sitcom and it gets 5-6 million viewers.
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Originally posted by WlcmLAPD: If it happened, that would be a good move for ABC. SW needs a home and SW paired with another comedy won't do any worse than UB.
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Originally posted by TravisYanan: I've heard ABC is mulling moving Ugly Betty out of the 8pm time period and trying out a comedy block. Not sure when, but watch for it.
Great episode of CSI last night, amazing how well the writers/producers have introduced the new character. CSI is one of the very few shows that have retained such great quality for a long period of time
Originally posted by mushu_jj: Or maybe its so they don't have to count the repeat that they'll likely air as part of the season's average. I'm guessing that's the case.
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Originally posted by Twins12: By the way, when CBS does their ridiculous prime time Katie Couric news at 8:00 next Wednesday they are moving Old Christine to 8:30 that night, and bumping Gary Unmarried. This really tells us what show CBS likes better. Old Christine is the pick over Gary for now.
That could also be the case. Maybe they just want to make Gary Unmarried look better than Old Christine at the end of the season.
As far as I'm concerned, that small episode extension told us all we needed to know about 11th Hour's future. It's a goner unless ratings really pick up here soon. The show's demos are mediocre and its probably would crumble if placed on Friday or Sunday.
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Originally posted by WlcmLAPD: EH is in questionable renewal territory along with The Unit, CC, WAT, GU, and NAOOC. CBS won't renew all of them. In fact, very few will get renewed if CBS has a good pilot season.
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EH will almost surely be renwed, but where will it air?
FOX Bones Up on Thursday, Retains Big Lead in A18-49 for Week 18
After four nights of Week 18, 'Bones' helped FOX get better than usual Thursday numbers such that FOX still retains a wide lead over all the other nets in A18-49 with a hefty 5.45 average. ABC is strong in second with a 3.78 average, while CBS holds third with 3.15. NBC is fourth with 2.55, Univision fifth with 1.73, The CW is sixth with a 0.99, and MyNetworkTV is seventh with 0.39 (three nights).
In viewers, FOX is leading with an average of 14,769,000 viewers, while CBS is second, ABC third, NBC fourth, Univision fifth, The CW sixth and MyNetworkTV in seventh.
CBS, The CW and ABC are all showing big improvements over last season, while Univision is showing smaller year-over-year growth. FOX and MyNetworkTV are both down, as is NBC which is down quite dramatically in both viewers and demo.
Overall, Week 18 is up 5% in A18-49 demo to Week 18 of last season, while viewership is up by 4%, both remarkable stats in this season where DVR erosion has been the norm. This is also the first time this season where the young adult demo growth is ahead of viewership growth, largely due to the resurgence of ABC.
Week 18, Four Nights (2 Finals, 2 FASTnats)
# Network A18-49 (%YOY) Millions of Viewers (%YOY)
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1. FOX 5.45 (-10%) 14.769 (-15%)
2. ABC 3.78 (+73%) 10.253 (+54%)
3. CBS 3.15 (+25%) 11.551 (+20%)
4. NBC 2.55 (-27%) 7.053 (-29%)
5. UNI 1.73 (-5%) 4.435 (+8%)
6. CW 0.99 (+35%) 2.219 (+24%)
7. MNT 0.39 (-23%) 1.207 (-6%) <- 3 nights
YOY = Year-Over-Year increase/decrease to same week last year.
Year-Over-Year 7-Network Demo/Viewer Growth(+)/Erosion(-)
Night A18-49 +/- Viewers +/-
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Week 18:
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Monday: A: +8% V: +9% final
Tuesday: A: -2% V: +2% final
Wednesday: A: -4% V: -7% prelim
Thursday: A: +23% V: +13% prelim
Week-to-Date: A: +5% V: +4% first 4 nights
Originally posted by TV-aholic: Just a throwing out a thought here.
What do you think if CBS were to do the following next fall?
Tuesdays: 8:00 - NCIS 9:00 - NCIS Spin Off 10:00 - CSI: NY
Wednesday: 8:00 - Survivor 9:00 - Criminal Minds 10:00 - Streets of San Francisco
Thursdays: 8:00 - The Mentalist 9:00 - CSI 10:00 - New Show
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Originally posted by Seat42f: CBS: 11th hour? Seems to fall into that not bad not great range. Plus side is would the Mentalist, NCIS or CSI do much better at 10PM? Maybe it's just a dying or dead timeslot. Flipside is CBS will likely say we can plug in just about anything post CSI and get 12M.
I have an easier time seeing CBS leaving NCIS/TM where they are on Tuesday, and either using the NCIS spin-off after TM, or after CSI on Thursdays. This is the stability / patience network.
I'm shocked TV-aholic would even propose such drastic changes after he comments quite often of how Without a Trace was killed because the audience couldn't find it after it moved. To me that's a cop out because it ended up returning to Thursdays, but still. I don't think CBS can afford to make these sorts of moves. Throw a new drama on Thursdays post-CSI, place the new NCIS on Wed. at 8 (similar to how old NCIS airs Tuesdays at 8) and go with a comedy block on Sundays that can cut down to 90 minutes for NFL overruns.
Agreed. More traditional family sitcoms from ABC would be nice.
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Originally posted by Twins12: Is ABC really that destitute in the comedy department that they need to pick up other networks scraps ? Can't they develop their own comedies ? They were once one of the best comedy networks in the TGIF days. It is time for ABC to go back to their roots and develop multi camera, family sitcoms.
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Originally posted by BlueLick: Let me throw this thought out there for you folks. I think Gary Unmarried has too much potential especially in syndication to be canceled. This is probably one of the few sitcoms on TV right now in the past two years that will succeed like George Lopez or Two and a Half Men in a syndication run.
Since ABC is trying to get Old Christine. They can fall on getting Gary Unmarried if they don't get Christine, which is highly unlikely since CBS can get syndication money from Christine. Gary will easily start out as ABC's number one sitcom. Since Steve is trying to redevelop the multi-cam sitcoms, this would be perfect to fit around. I believe ABC Studios owns the show too.
I did a CBS schedule on a number of occasions before, but here goes at look what my CBS schedule would look like.
MON 8-Big Bang Theory 8:30-How I Met Your Mother 9-Two and a Half Men 9:30-New Comedy 10-Hawaii Five-0 (after Super Bowl 44 with Miami there to start the season)
TUE 8-NCIS 9-The Mentalist 10-Streets of San Francisco
WED 8-NCIS Spin-off or Comedy Block w/ Roe/OC/GU or Survivor/Amazing Race (in between cycles) 9-Criminal Minds 10-CSI: NY
THU 8-New Drama 9-CSI: LV 10-New Drama
FRI 8-Ghost Whisperer 9-NUMB3RS 10-Without a Trace/Eleventh Hour
SAT 8-Million Dollar Password/Game Show in My Head 9-Cold Case 10-48 Hours Mystery
SUN 7-60 Minutes 8-Survivor/Amazing Race (in between cycles) 9-CSI: Miami (after Super Bowl 44) 10-Flashpoint
The Unit either gets canceled and moves to FOX or returns in mid-season.
WED 2 8-Survivor/Amazing Race (in between cycles) 9-Criminal Minds 10-CSI: NY
THU 2 8-NCIS Spin-Off or Survivor/Amazing Race (in between cycles) 9-CSI: LV 10-New Drama
SUN 2 7-60 Minutes 8-NCIS Spin-Off or comedy block 9-CSI: Miami (after Super Bowl 44) 10-Flashpoint
i like your idea of gary unmarried to abc. its definitely an abc like show and will fit in with the network like a glove. abc would be better off nabbing gary away from cbs than christine. abc better hope cbs cancels one of the other after this season.
i like the idea of the ncis spin-off landing in those lead-off positions on the schedule. survivor may need t move next season to save itself from further drops each season. cbs has a lot to work with for upfronts this year.
I think it's great that ABC wants to get back into multi-cam sitcoms. They're finally taking notes from CBS, that sitcoms are coming back strong. I wouldn't mind seeing them open TGIF back up for business.
It's not the other networks left-overs. Both Old Christine and Gary Unmarried fit on their network, much more than they do on CBS. They seem to be going towards family sitcoms again (like someone mentioned, past ones like Roseanne and Home Improvement) which I think is great. Both Christine and Gary would definitely help them establish that.
Just because it is better than the average doesn't mean its good. ABC needs to keep trying until they get sitcoms that perform well. You can't just have SW getting its 5-6 million, and say it is fine, because everything else stinks. They need good new sitcoms.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: That 5-6 million would be better than any ABC comedy not airing behind Dancing since GLo/Jim a few years ago. SW's most recent non-Dancing paired eps showed growth through the hour. I think if it had a decent show to pair with, SW would do alright. You have very little faith in anything it seems. 12/01/08(S-9pm) 6.04 M 1.9/5 12/01/08 6.51 M 2.1/5
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Originally posted by Twins12: SW will bomb anywhere without the DWTS lead in. It is the most lead in dependent shows on TV. SW either goes after DWTS or off the air. Pair it with another sitcom and it gets 5-6 million viewers.
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Originally posted by WlcmLAPD: If it happened, that would be a good move for ABC. SW needs a home and SW paired with another comedy won't do any worse than UB.
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Originally posted by TravisYanan: I've heard ABC is mulling moving Ugly Betty out of the 8pm time period and trying out a comedy block. Not sure when, but watch for it.
So much for ABC's collapse. They're doing incredibly well this week, although some of that has to do with a stronger than average Tuesday. Still, the regular Tuesday should pull a 2.0 at least and that would only drop them to CBS-levels, maybe even better. Unlike Fox and NBC which aren't benefiting over year-ago strike programming, CBS and ABC seem to be doing well, with ABC much stronger.
Well I didn't say not to develop new comedies but they have to have something return. Remember, those episodes of SW, had cartoons as a lead in. That's not very compatible if you ask me. I think the Bachelor is actually a younger-skewing, more preferable partner for SW than Dancing.
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Originally posted by Twins12: Just because it is better than the average doesn't mean its good. ABC needs to keep trying until they get sitcoms that perform well. You can't just have SW getting its 5-6 million, and say it is fine, because everything else stinks. They need good new sitcoms.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: That 5-6 million would be better than any ABC comedy not airing behind Dancing since GLo/Jim a few years ago. SW's most recent non-Dancing paired eps showed growth through the hour. I think if it had a decent show to pair with, SW would do alright. You have very little faith in anything it seems. 12/01/08(S-9pm) 6.04 M 1.9/5 12/01/08 6.51 M 2.1/5
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Originally posted by Twins12: SW will bomb anywhere without the DWTS lead in. It is the most lead in dependent shows on TV. SW either goes after DWTS or off the air. Pair it with another sitcom and it gets 5-6 million viewers.
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Originally posted by WlcmLAPD: If it happened, that would be a good move for ABC. SW needs a home and SW paired with another comedy won't do any worse than UB.
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Originally posted by TravisYanan: I've heard ABC is mulling moving Ugly Betty out of the 8pm time period and trying out a comedy block. Not sure when, but watch for it.
ABC is a network that is built on about four shows. They have DH, GA, Lost and DWTS. Those carry the load for them. Most of their other programs are average to way below average.
So much for ABC's collapse. They're doing incredibly well this week, although some of that has to do with a stronger than average Tuesday. Still, the regular Tuesday should pull a 2.0 at least and that would only drop them to CBS-levels, maybe even better. Unlike Fox and NBC which aren't benefiting over year-ago strike programming, CBS and ABC seem to be doing well, with ABC much stronger.
Originally posted by mushu_jj: Or maybe its so they don't have to count the repeat that they'll likely air as part of the season's average. I'm guessing that's the case.
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Originally posted by Twins12: By the way, when CBS does their ridiculous prime time Katie Couric news at 8:00 next Wednesday they are moving Old Christine to 8:30 that night, and bumping Gary Unmarried. This really tells us what show CBS likes better. Old Christine is the pick over Gary for now.
That could also be the case. Maybe they just want to make Gary Unmarried look better than Old Christine at the end of the season.
You missed the point. If CBS doesn't air TNAoOC, it makes THAT show look better in the ratings, not Gary Unmarried. Airing reruns HURTS the season average.
Originally posted by Twins12: Agreed. More traditional family sitcoms from ABC would be nice.
That would be nice but I'd also like to see them pursue some female-led comedies to pair with SW in a 2 hour block. Maybe a couple new family comedies to air with Dancing next fall and place the female-led single cam comedies in a 2 hour block on Wednesday into Brothers and Sisters. I do think the older Dancing audience would eat up a traditional comedy and perhaps continue to cause headaches for CBS at 9:30 on Mondays, if well done.
Take the SW blinders off. It has failed miserably every time it has aired other than after DWTS. ABC has had to pull it several times when they tried to air it alone. It also has slipped a lot this season from where it was last season with DWTS retention. I say unless it holds about 65-70 % of DWTS this Spring it is gone in May.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: Well I didn't say not to develop new comedies but they have to have something return. Remember, those episodes of SW, had cartoons as a lead in. That's not very compatible if you ask me. I think the Bachelor is actually a younger-skewing, more preferable partner for SW than Dancing.
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Originally posted by Twins12: Just because it is better than the average doesn't mean its good. ABC needs to keep trying until they get sitcoms that perform well. You can't just have SW getting its 5-6 million, and say it is fine, because everything else stinks. They need good new sitcoms.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: That 5-6 million would be better than any ABC comedy not airing behind Dancing since GLo/Jim a few years ago. SW's most recent non-Dancing paired eps showed growth through the hour. I think if it had a decent show to pair with, SW would do alright. You have very little faith in anything it seems. 12/01/08(S-9pm) 6.04 M 1.9/5 12/01/08 6.51 M 2.1/5
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Originally posted by Twins12: SW will bomb anywhere without the DWTS lead in. It is the most lead in dependent shows on TV. SW either goes after DWTS or off the air. Pair it with another sitcom and it gets 5-6 million viewers.
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Originally posted by WlcmLAPD: If it happened, that would be a good move for ABC. SW needs a home and SW paired with another comedy won't do any worse than UB.
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Originally posted by TravisYanan: I've heard ABC is mulling moving Ugly Betty out of the 8pm time period and trying out a comedy block. Not sure when, but watch for it.
DTWS is off the air right now. DH hasn't aired yet this week.
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Originally posted by Twins12: ABC is a network that is built on about four shows. They have DH, GA, Lost and DWTS. Those carry the load for them. Most of their other programs are average to way below average.
So much for ABC's collapse. They're doing incredibly well this week, although some of that has to do with a stronger than average Tuesday. Still, the regular Tuesday should pull a 2.0 at least and that would only drop them to CBS-levels, maybe even better. Unlike Fox and NBC which aren't benefiting over year-ago strike programming, CBS and ABC seem to be doing well, with ABC much stronger.
